Rubbing seeds on the sides of match boxes.

[DocLeaf]

Rubbing seeds on the sides of match boxes to "aid" germination.

PLEASE STOP IT!

Cannabis seeds are equipped with a fissure line that is permeable to water. The climatic conditions surrounding the seed are influential in the fissure line opening and the seedling growing.

Other than being a complete waste of time with viable cannabis seeds,, it is most disheartening to hear/see that perfectly good seeds didn't germinate after being treated so barbarically to begin with.

In future please , just say NO, to scratching seeds on the sides of match-boxes! Together as a community we can dispel this nonsense completely.

N.B. this thread wasn't aimed at any match-box scratches specifically! ..lol

Peace, love , unity
DocLeaf

 

[DocLeaf]

The easiest way to sow seeds is to plant them directly into a medium and water them in gently at 18-25c. Once established remove the propagator lid.

N.b. Seeds that aren't viable wont grow... no matter how hard you scratch them!

Hope this helps

 

[Bacchus]

why all of the matchbox hate??? what did they ever do to you?

 

[Synthettek]

I've never used the matchbox method... never had to.
I soak for 12 hours, never longer, and then plant directly into soil.
Never have any problems. I know some people are agianst soaking seeds too, but it's always worked, for me, upper 95% germ rate and that could have just been bad seeds for the 5%.

 

[DocLeaf]

Oops wrong forum,,, please move this into the growers forums Admin.

why all of the matchbox hate??? what did they ever do to you?

We just think that as a community its something we should help dispel..

Rubbing seeds on matchboxes,, is so 1990's ..lol

Peace
dL

N.B. We can move onto the "issue of using tissue" after...

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Here, here!!...

...and who was the impatient genius that started the practice in the first place and then somehow convinced others that it was a viable approach to germinating seeds? It was probably the same guy that recommended soaking seeds in paper towels. He deserves a quick trial and a fair hanging!

With every other thread squeeling about some companies poor germination rates, you would think that breeders and retailers would mount a war against misguided germination practices such as damaging the seed hull or drowning seeds.

 

[grimweeder]

i put mine in water over night for 12 hours then plant into soil an water as usual,
i get an avge of 95-100% germ rate, an i always use this method, never bother with the ol paper towel trick thats jus so long an not even needed,
never heard of the matchbox method until now an i wouldnt wanna try it either.

 

[stonescafe]

i only ever used rockwool cubes with 100% germination never soaked or used a matchbox.
never failed me yet tds at 12 ph at 5.5

 

[DocLeaf]

Good germination info. all

Here, here!!...

...and who was the impatient genius that started the practice in the first place and then somehow convinced others that it was a viable approach to germinating seeds? It was probably the same guy that recommended soaking seeds in paper towels. He deserves a quick trial and a fair hanging!

We wouldn't go as far as hanging,, but a quick flogging with a male plant is deserved for the numpty that originally put the "method" out.

With every other thread squeeling about some companies poor germination rates, you would think that breeders and retailers would mount a war against misguided germination practices such as damaging the seed hull or drowning seeds.

Indeed,, this is the very purpose of this thread... it's all about educating new growers into not wasting their time, and seeds, like we did (not that we've ever felt the need to scratch a seed on a matchbox before).

Thanks for the support

Peace out all
dLeaf

N.B. Experimenting with seeds and ganja is NEVER a bad thing

 

[JWP]

Yeah this one is right up there with "do this to get more females"

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Would it be blaspheme to use an emery board? (lol... )

much love, Doc!

 

[DocLeaf]

Rubbing seeds on emery cloth,, sandpaper,, an numbskulls are all sinful round these parts ..lol

Moreover matchboxes often contain residue traces of sulfur,, which is the last thing you want to be rubbing onto / into potential seedlings

All round its just wrong!

peace n love all

 

[icmag.is.#1]

Ive tried many germination methods and so far Ive had the best results with planting directly into jiffy pucks. Paper towels and soaking till they crack has been 50/50 for me


and!


The first time I heard/read about the matchbox method was in the Jorge Cervantes grow book. Even if he didnt come up with the idea, He's the one who spread this info on a massive scale

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi again doc - scarification (scratching up the seed coat) is a valid horticultural method but as you say it is NOT necessary for cannabis seeds. certain seeds such as some legumes (like sweet pea) do require scarification as they have an impermiable seed coat - otherwise they can take ages to germinate

i may possibly use it if the mj seeds were very old, but a matchbox would be too coarse sandpaper for a seed the size of cannabis.

V.

 

[The Phoenix]

Rubbing seeds on emery cloth,, sandpaper,, an numbskulls are all sinful round these parts ..lol

Moreover matchboxes often contain residue traces of sulfur,, which is the last thing you want to be rubbing onto / into potential seedlings

All round its just wrong!

peace n love all

While you have obviously recieved the IC Mag Mentor tag for a reason, I have to disagree with you one one point.

For the most part, cannabis seeds do not need germination help, but there are some strains out there that will not germ in high percentage without a little help. One such strain is BOG Sour Bubble. In general I get about a 70-80% natural germination with these seeds. But if I was to follow your advice, I guess I should should just say screw it and throw out the 2-3 seeds from each attempt that dont germ naturally.

I find that after the natural genrmination failure, I will scuff off the end opposite from the seed attchment point, and the edge a little also, and some of these seeds will germinate. I just did it on my latest batch and got 2 extra plants within 24 hours of the scuff that had previously failed.

Like I said, most strains are 90-100% no problems, but there are some tough ones out there that need a little help on a regular basis. I use 320 grit sandpaper btw.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Yeah, flogging. i like that better too.

How about this. We could scratch them with sand paper and then 1/2 drown them in a pool of water!!!

(just playin..)

 

[LunaShadow]

i wanna know who originally suggested the paper towel method was the best way to germ seeds. It's ok for really fresh seeds and cress, but i agree with what other people have said...

compost is better!

i too get 95% with a little water soak then straight into compost.

Not even close to 50% with the paper towel before it either dries out or rots.

In the end nature's way's the best way.

Also, a few drops of bleach per glass of water when you are soaking the seeds stops them rotting/going mouldy, allowing them to stay healthy longer whilst they are germinating........IN COMPOST!

 

[Snype]

While you have obviously recieved the IC Mag Mentor tag for a reason, I have to disagree with you one one point.

For the most part, cannabis seeds do not need germination help, but there are some strains out there that will not germ in high percentage without a little help. One such strain is BOG Sour Bubble. In general I get about a 70-80% natural germination with these seeds. But if I was to follow your advice, I guess I should should just say screw it and throw out the 2-3 seeds from each attempt that dont germ naturally.

I find that after the natural genrmination failure, I will scuff off the end opposite from the seed attchment point, and the edge a little also, and some of these seeds will germinate. I just did it on my latest batch and got 2 extra plants within 24 hours of the scuff that had previously failed.

Like I said, most strains are 90-100% no problems, but there are some tough ones out there that need a little help on a regular basis. I use 320 grit sandpaper btw.

It's kind of messed up that a person who is sporting a mentor tag is spreading around info that is just incorrect in multiple threads. People will take this guy seriously and not be able to learn the truth, like all these kids thinking everything is Haze and has no Haze in it whatsoever. And you put the sandpaper in the matchbox along with the seeds and shake.

 

[VerdantGreen]

It's kind of messed up that a person who is sporting a mentor tag is spreading around info that is just incorrect in multiple threads. People will take this guy seriously and not be able to learn the truth, like all these kids thinking everything is Haze and has no Haze in it whatsoever. And you put the sandpaper in the matchbox along with the seeds and shake.

i would wager that docleaf has grown more plants and popped more seeds than most of us, and he is right that scarification is not necessary with cannabis seeds. you are more likely to damage the seed than to give it better chances of germination. as i said earlier it is a horticultural practice used for certain seeds which have a coating that has to break down by microbial action before water gets into the seeds - making them take a long time to pop unless scarified.

if seeds are slow to germinate imo opinion the best thing to do is raise the temperature slightly if they havent popped after a few days - usually this brings them out within 24 hours.

V.

t

 

[Snype]

i would wager that docleaf has grown more plants and popped more seeds than most of us, and he is right that scarification is not necessary with cannabis seeds. you are more likely to damage the seed than to give it better chances of germination. as i said earlier it is a horticultural practice used for certain seeds which have a coating that has to break down by microbial action before water gets into the seeds - making them take a long time to pop unless scarified.

if seeds are slow to germinate imo opinion the best thing to do is raise the temperature slightly if they havent popped after a few days - usually this brings them out within 24 hours.

V.

t

It's not necessary but helps on certain seed. I can't tell you who's germd more seeds but I've been germing seeds since 1993 so I've had my share also. Have you tryed it before on seed that won't germ normally? Do you have that experience? I don't usually do it unless it calls for it so I usually go to paper towels but I have 1000's of old seed that I can document for you if you want and we can compare the results.