BioDynamic Compost Tea inoculant and BD Compost

[secondtry]

Hey all,

I for one don't agree with Biodynamics but I know lots of people do so I thought I would post a source for BD compost and compost starter/ACT starter.

Here ya go:
http://homeharvest.com/biodynamicgardeningproducts.htm

 

[xmobotx]

I'm curious what you consider the drawbacks to be?

For me, I want to ultimately source all my ammendments from my own lot. So, any store bought nute, starter, compost, etc. are to be avoided.

But, moreso for self-sufficiency in the case of "acceptable" (read: "organic") products.

 

[secondtry]

Hey Xm,

Drawbacks of what? What I don't like about BD is their esoteric and subjective philosophy (all unproven and to me they are crazy; ex. they use skulls for holding OM, WTF?). I like science, while I believe in (some) things science can't explain I won't use BD compost vs. Luebke compost.

I agree sourcing local is ideal. And I agree using any kind of "compost starter" is hype and not needed, nor is helpful. I have read many studies on this and none found a worthwhile benefit from any compost starter. Well, that's not really accurate, one study I found showed better results when using BD compost starter (but that was not a good study so I don't agree with the results).

All the best

 

[xmobotx]

lol - I see

an aversion to voodoo basically

 

[secondtry]

haha. Yup.

 

[jaykush]

have you ever been to a full on biodynamic farm secondtry? i mean a real one not someone who thinks they do biodynamics. the diversity in life is simply amazing. i agree some of the practices sound a bit nuts, but nature does some crazy shit!

 

[secondtry]

Hey JK,

yea I have, and I agree BD compost and results are good, but I just get put off buy the hocus-pocus, there is a scientific reason for the BD compost works, I would rather read about that then cattle skulls filled with yarrow

 

[jaykush]

lol funny because i would prefer to read and try the yarrow with a cattle skull. i just dont have a cattle skull. i use yarrow on an almost daily basis though. i love it!

 

[secondtry]

I agree yarrow is great stuff, as are other herbs BD uses (in terms of silica, Ca, etc). But the need to put in a skull and bury it for 1 year is just wacko IMO. I would prefer to compost the yarrow instead of doing some horticultural-voodoo.

 

[jaykush]

yea lol, i get great results using yarrow with other BD herbs without doing the crazy stuff. but still theres gotta be a reason why Rudolf Steiner did it that way.

 

[secondtry]

Maybe he smoked some dank and had a daydream?

I don't think there is a valid (scientific) reason why Rudolf Steiner used skulls, sheep stomachs lining, etc, any more than there is a valid reason why people are religious. There is a bit of science in both, but the science is always overshadowed by the quackery (IMO).

 

[grapeman]

Hey JK,

yea I have, and I agree BD compost and results are good, but I just get put off buy the hocus-pocus, there is a scientific reason for the BD compost works, I would rather read about that then cattle skulls filled with yarrow

agreed.

 

[treefrog]

Wow, so judgmental secondtry!

If your so interested in the scientific method, then how about start by getting your facts straight. It's a cow HORN, filled with Cow manure and buried from solstice to solstice.



Just because you don't 'get it' doesn't mean it's BS

 

[DARC MIND]

i think they do skulls too...
i also think the biodynamics maybe more (how do say,...indigenous? old) cultural methods passed down and thats why you see the stomach, skull, horn, and astrological methods...

why change some thing that has been working for so long, isnt it a sustainable method of agriculture??..witch you dont see to much if any now a days

I don't think there is a valid (scientific) reason why Rudolf Steiner used skulls, sheep stomachs lining, etc, any more than there is a valid reason why people are religious

i think ther is a importance in preserving these methods, just as I see an importance of preserving cultures.. the skulls, horns and stomach lining probably supply some nutrients or something, better then sacrificing virgins or dancing for rain, etc like other beliefs..
not trying to be rube but all im saying is the valid reason is in the pudding,stop thinking for reason and look..
are ther alternatives of course

 

[secondtry]

Wow, so judgmental secondtry!

If your so interested in the scientific method, then how about start by getting your facts straight. It's a cow HORN, filled with Cow manure and buried from solstice to solstice.



Just because you don't 'get it' doesn't mean it's BS

MaryJohn, aka MadL, STOP TROLLING ME! You are going on ignore, it's not like I don't know who you are! You can make the nics you like, each one will go on ignore.

now go away!

 

[secondtry]

i think they do skulls too...
i also think the biodynamics maybe more (how do say,...indigenous? old) cultural methods passed down and thats why you see the stomach, skull, horn, and astrological methods...

why change some thing that has been working for so long, isnt it a sustainable method of agriculture??..witch you dont see to much if any now a days

Im not suggesting it needs to changed, just that much of it is not based upon science, that is my main gripe. Anyone can infuse arcane methods with anything, I still want science.

i think ther is a importance in preserving these methods, just as I see an importance of preserving cultures..

Me too, but I don't think we should be suggesting it's usage. Lets stick to what we can prove, i.e. CMC, (for compost) etc.

the skulls, horns and stomach lining probably supply some nutrients or something, better then sacrificing virgins or dancing for rain, etc like other beliefs..
not trying to be rube but all im saying is the valid reason is in the pudding,stop thinking for reason and look..
are ther alternatives of course

I was only kidding when I wrote he got high, and it also crossed my mind that was the only thing the had back then, but that's not true. There were many other options he could have chosen from, thus I state he wanted to make it arcane and esoteric, ie magik [sic].

And I think your correct that the horns add some silica, but that is only something I read once from a BD book, no real proof.

For me I find it very wrong to kill an animal just to make a BD prep, or to use already dead animal parts when making the BD prep. I try not to kill anything I don't have to and I don't eat meat (even tho I think killing a plant is just as bad as killing an animal). I don't like the sacrifice part of it, using skulls and stomachs and stuff...

All that said, I never once wrote BD is crap, or we need to change BD, only that I don't agree with BD's horticultural-voodoo (that is not written as a negative, I lived in parts of the world (Hati, etc) when I was a kid were Voodoo is actively practiced, I knew many followers of Voodoo)

HTH

 

[DARC MIND]

Im not suggesting it needs to changed, just that much of it is not based upon science, that is my main gripe. Anyone can infuse arcane methods with anything, I still want science.

i was simply trying to point out why maybe Steiner chose those methods. i think they were passed down from very old cultural methods/practices of agriculture, were the science wasnt as what it is today. more spiritual exaggeration then anything

Me too, but I don't think we should be suggesting it's usage. Lets stick to what we can prove, i.e. CMC, (for compost) etc.

i agree

I was only kidding when I wrote he got high, and it also crossed my mind that was the only thing the had back then, but that's not true. There were many other options he could have chosen from, thus I state he wanted to make it arcane and esoteric, ie magik [sic].

i think ther is a possibility he self medicated, but i still think maybe he chose those practices to preserve something that worked back when people only had so many things to work with and magic or what ever was the only way to explain something most didnt understand.

And I think your correct that the horns add some silica, but that is only something I read once from a BD book, no real proof.

yea, personally id grind them horns and skulls into powder and use like horn and bone meal..

For me I find it very wrong to kill an animal just to make a BD prep, or to use already dead animal parts when making the BD prep. I try not to kill anything I don't have to and I don't eat meat (even tho I think killing a plant is just as bad as killing an animal). I don't like the sacrifice part of it, using skulls and stomachs and stuff...

i wasnt aware they sacrificed but i would use dead animal parts if the animal died of old age or tragic accident (not diseased). thats why i think these methods were passed down from older cultures. like some of them Indians who didnt like to leave/waste much of ther kill.
what would you do (now and back in the day) when one of your live stock succumbs to one of the most certain things in life?

All that said, I never once wrote BD is crap, or we need to change BD, only that I don't agree with BD's horticultural-voodoo (that is not written as a negative, I lived in parts of the world (Hati, etc) when I was a kid were Voodoo is actively practiced, I knew many followers of Voodoo)

i didnt take it that way, but i saw your "i dont see the valid (scientific) reason comment" and i simply wanted to point out the reason was it worked and or possibly preserving ancient practices.
think of our history, many culture beliefs, practices and sometimes people were brutally eradicated by other main stream beliefs at that time. Organic methods use to be the only method of agriculture, know we have all this science to prove what most of our ancestors already knew. They couldn’t scientific explain things but it worked and still does.

 

[ixnay007]

BD makes some damn good wine.

I wonder if what DM said has some weight, possibly the guy saw the methods used by people who (in a book sense) were pretty ignorant (not an insult, please don't take it as so), and not having the time or inclination to separate the ritual from the actual activity he just decided to adopt the entire ritual. If it ain't broke, don't fix it taken to an extreme.

 

[treefrog]

MaryJohn, aka MadL, STOP TROLLING ME! You are going on ignore, it's not like I don't know who you are! You can make the nics you like, each one will go on ignore.

now go away!

I don't know what you're talking about. I am not this person.
Spreading misinformation and negatively judging something you obviously don't understand is part of what created the insane cannabis laws. You should know better. I just called you out is all. It's nothing personal.
Tolerance/acceptance is a virtue that leads to great understanding..

I would highly recommend that everyone check out Steiner. He was one of histories most amazing people.
It was Australian farmers that came to him looking for solutions to their soil woes. Steiner used Clairvoyance, which has been proven to work, but is not scientifically understood, to come up with Bio-dynamics. The process turned hard-pan into 18" of humus, loaded with earth worms in 3 years. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Also, Bio-dynamics was the first to look at the whole farm as an organism, and so was the first agricultural technique to promote the interconnectedness of all things. Something that we all so desperately need today.

 

[mad librettist]

treefrog, don't sweat it. 2ndtry can get a bit... irrational. He does not take well to disagreement. I think he processes it later maybe. But you'll see, he is handy to have around. That's why i emailed him and convinced him to come back after he was banned. It took quite a few emails and thank god he didn't have a study on the subject to throw at me.

He must have thought I would make a new account just to bypass his super duper for life and no taksies backsies ignore. Yeah, it's a bit paranoid, but in the past I have started new accounts to communicate when it was the only option. So he's not totally crazy. But in his case, he's peeking anyway, or about to, and in any case it's better to get his statement and discuss it with others. The back and forth will drive you nuts (I drive him nuts right back).

personally, I have gone 180 degrees on this horns and whatever business. science is just one way to tell the story of life, and not always the most effective way. Yes, it is very precise, but can also be a little slow and obtuse. And lacking the common sense to see the obvious or even the unseen.

Like Popper pointed out, they are mostly deluded and unaware they are incolved in trial and error like every other animal.