Drip clean by H&G used so that 10% runoff isn't needed.

[Shakalaka]

I've seen a few threads here where growers are using drip clean so that they don't have to have runoff...........

How many ppl here have had success with this method?

How do u use the drip clean product with ur watering regime?

Do other companies make similar products that work as well?

I'm doin a coco grow in 8 liter pots and didnt wanna have to deal with the runoff cuz i cant afford to build somethin to deal with the runoff till i get more funds. I'm looking to use drippers and time it right so that as soon as there is a little runoff in the saucer i stop the pump....then the small amount of runoff is allowed to be wicked up into the medium again as needed.
Any advice would be much appreciated!

cheers.

 

[*mistress*]

no drip-clean... not needed.
just no mixing of cal w/ phosphates & sulfates... & maintain ph 5.0-6.0.
end.

10% run-off is not needed. but, if that is what desire, that same 10% can be re-used, as long as ph stable...

 

[Guywithoutajeep]

yeah i dont know, i use the stuff as directed by h&g. About .5ml per gallon. I'm feeding twice a day right now, and letting it run off to an average amount. They kinda like the runoff that I let chill in the saucer, I do syphon that shit out after a bit though.

I'm not sure if it's a necessary piece of my grow harmony or not. My plants are happy so I'm probably going to keep using it despite the fact that no one else really seems to.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

the 10% runoff is a safety precaution and isnt necessarily needed...

 

[krunchbubble]

i have great success with drip clean, check out any of my threads at the bottom of my signature. use as the directions say, i usually try no runoff, or have very little. only one other company has a similar product, but cant remember...

btw, do not even consider "mistress" posts. everyone knows she does not grow and does not have the slightest clue how.....

 

[johnnyla]

is mistress a "bot"?

 

[arrg]

is mistress a "bot"?

I would just imagine a person who understands how to use the search function. people learn to use it less threads can be made with more accurate info.

 

[krunchbubble]

is mistress a "bot"?

who knows?
everything she posts is in her "imaginary" garden in her head. the only growing she does is the amount of bullshit that she posts.



not to stray away from the op's questions. drip clean imo is a must have and i will never grow without it again, unless a similar product that happens to be better or cheaper.....

 

[*mistress*]

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[*mistress*]

btw, do not even consider "mistress" posts. everyone knows she does not grow and does not have the slightest clue how.....

.........

is mistress a "bot"?

maybe...maybe not...
really not revelant to thread topic, or anything else...

to find 'bots' on icmag, navigate to 'who's online', then to 'display' dialog box, then select 'search bots'...

they have no user names... that is why they are bots. anonymous 1's & 0's, programmed to do this/that...

I would just imagine a person who understands how to use the search function. people learn to use it less threads can be made with more accurate info.

actually replied to thread-starters q... about run-off...
seems it is up to thread-starter to draw own conclusions.

& yes... try to post accurate data. or, help in some manner.
if data posted doesnt help, simply ignore...

is mistress a "bot"?

who knows?
everything she posts is in her "imaginary" garden in her head. the only growing she does is the amount of bullshit that she posts.

 

[Teeg420]

Mistress reminds me of madre stinco! A total thread killer that just goes on rants when high.

 

[RVCA]

Mistress reminds me of madre stinco! A total thread killer that just goes on rants when high.

 

[*mistress*]

I've seen a few threads here where growers are using drip clean so that they don't have to have runoff...........

H0use & G^rden Dr!p Cleen

H & G D%ip Cleeen is an extremely useful agent for anyone working with a drip or aeroponic system. Dr!p Cleen works like a magnet, removing dirt particles at every nutrient feeding so that the piping remains clean. Dr!p Cleen furthermore gives plants a boost, improving their greenness and vitality.

H0u%e & G Dr!p CleEn is a 100% safe agent providing it is used in the right proportion. Dr!p CleEn contains potassium and phosphors compounds, two very powerful and useful elements in the nutritional plan of the plant. These two compounds have had their chemical molecules changed to remove one of their structures. This makes the molecule into a kind of magnet, as molecules always try to complete themselves. Dr!p cleEn attracts dirt particles with every feeding, keeping the drip system clean. Dr!p CleEn can also be used to keep your medium at an optimal EC-TDS level, saving you to flush as often as it will remove salt buildup. Dr!p cleEn never fails and is very effective against clogged dripper systems and piping.

so... the chemistry is revelaed...
phosphorus is in the nitrogen family of chemicals...
potassium is an alkali earth metal...

phosphoric oxide (phosphorus pentoxide p205) has greater affinity for water than any other common substance... note that the molecular formula of p205 is what is on most fertilizer bottles/bags... by convention... although the actual elemental phosphorus that gets to plants is only 43% of that total, or for example:

gh flora maxi bloom states:
5%n-15%p-14%k
available phosphate (p205) 15%.

this translates into 15*.437, or 6.5% elemental phosphorus...
(see link in sig for further on calculating npk profiles)

most importantly, though, soluble phosphates hydrolyze in water, to make basic solutions (this is how they can claim ph-stability)... because the phosphate ion has sufficient proton affinity to take a hydrogen ion away from water:

po4^3- + h20 >< hpo4^2- + ho-...

for this reason, solutions of soluble phosphates lower the surface tension of water & have a 'soapy feel'... trisodium phosphate is used as an additive in many soap & detergent powders...

this is basically how the dr!p clean seems to work... from a chemical/physical standpoint...
basically, they alter the valence shell of the molecules so that they attract opposite charges ('dirt'), as they claim... ultimately, they have made a surfacant.... which is merely detergent...

What is a surfactant?
A surfactant or surface active agent is a substance that, when dissolved in water, gives a product the ability to remove dirt from surfaces such as the human skin, textiles, and other solids.

In more technical terms:

* they enable the cleaning solution to fully wet the surface being cleaned so that dirt can be readily loosened and removed.
* they clean greasy, oily, particulate-, protein-, and carbohydrate-based stains.
* they are instrumental in removing dirt and in keeping them emulsified, suspended, and dispersed so they don't settle back onto the surface being cleaned.

Each surfactant molecule has a hydrophilic (water-loving) head that is attracted to water molecules AND a hydrophobic (water-hating) tail that repels water and simultaneously attaches itself to oil and grease in dirt. These opposing forces loosen the dirt and suspend it in the water. The mechanical agitation of the washing machine (or, the pump, forcing water thru the 'drip' lines...) helps pull the dirt free.

although this is slightly different than topic of run-off, can see how dr!p cleEn makes its claims...

run-off can be reduced simply by watering ~1/5 of the volume of the container, every 48hrs...

'removing dirt' can easily be done by using a surfacant, non-toxic dish detergent (couple drops), or even a 'flush' of ph-adjusted water (using phosphoric acid).

nonmetals have too great an attraction for electrons to exist as positive ions in a water solution. such possible ions evidently react w/ water (hydrolyze) by attracting an electron pair of a water molecule.

see claim that dr!p cleEn "makes the molecule into a kind of magnet"... laywomens terms for chemical oxidation... easily replicatable w/ common, cheapo substances, that wont hurt plants...

a particle w/ +5 charge (oxidation state) will attract electron pairs & form covalent bonds w/ practically any other atom or molecule it touches...
how they claim dr!p cleEn will attract & remove 'dirt'...

the most important +5 compounds are the nitrates, n03- (look familar? see back of standard 'hydro' nute for n03-, or nitrate nitrogen formula... usually @ 8:2 revelant to ammonium nitrogen, or nh4+....), & the phosphates (p04^3-) both anionic rather than cationic forms...

What does a surfactant actually do?

Surfactants are also referred to as wetting agents and foamers. Surfactants lower the surface tension of the medium in which it is dissolved. By lowering this interfacial tension between two media or interfaces (e.g. air/water, water/stain, stain/fabric) the surfactant plays a key role in the removal and suspension of dirt. The lower surface tension of the water makes it easier to lift dirt and grease off of dirty dishes, clothes and other surfaces, and help to keep them suspended in the dirty water. The water-loving or hydrophilic head remains in the water and it pulls the stains towards the water, away from the fabric. The surfactant molecules surround the stain particles, break them up and force them away from the surface of the fabric. They then suspend the stain particles in the wash water to remove them.

 

[Guywithoutajeep]

Woahhhhhh somebody got a C in community college level chemistry II...

JK

This thread is going well...first an attack, then some silly chemistry. Seriously no one here is going to understand that, especially with the poorly structured sentences.

 

[Guywithoutajeep]

@Mistress:

Can you at least give some of us enough respect to write in complete sentences. We give you that courtesy. I've noticed that you really talk down to other growers too, please lighten up. Also, if you can experimentally prove that Drip Clean works identically to common dish soap then please show us your data. Speaking in theory and sounding like you are the "end all of answerers" isn't fair to people who aren't knowledgeable in growing or chemistry. Your chemistry is correct, but your attempting to be involved in horticulture, not a chemistry. Therefore you should prove experimentally, through horticulture, your chemistry. In fact, I want you to! Then maybe I'd let it slide that you aren't respectful to others.

If your using Drip Clean I would definitely not go ahead and replace it with dish soap as Mistress implies...

 

[Wait...What?]

I guess I'm a bot/kook/crank too because I think she's interesting. I wish she'd use pronouns, but I wish a lot of women would do a lot of things.

There are a lot of us out there who won't post pics. To us, no good personally can come of it. It can only be used against us. So we Don't Post Pics. We just add our anecdotal experience. Take it for what is worth - a simple post on the internet without pics from someone you do not know pesonally. Don't like a person's posts? Filter them out. Please.

This is a world-wide forum and everyone around the world communicates a little differently.

I'm just sayin', is all. since it is hard to catch inflection in a textual medium, I am going to add more smiles

My usual sources don't carry H&G so go ahead and yell at me for posting off topic. I'm interested in trying it, though!

on edit: a lot of threads on h&g show the user not using the coco h&g with the coco, but the hydro, and on a schedule that is different from the factory advertised schedule. or at least that is what my limited research led me to believe.

 

[turbolaser4528]

This is a MARIJUANA forum!!! no buzzkilling aloud, thats like the guy holding the blunt talking about how much he hates this or that. Negativity, we are all one just accept each other and lets move on with it already.

 

[*mistress*]

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

She sure has the use of smilies and emoticons down pat tho even if she cant grow weed, she sure makes a well animated post. I'm running H&G for the first time. Running my 'free sample pack' which just rocks.. 400 buks worth of stuff for a phone call and 6 buks freight. I did make so many changes this time that it's hard to say my results at this time are any better or not that using the full GH line (I know Lucas blah blah... I used the full line) and I had great results in a 4 hole drip system. I went to DWC this time and fixing to switch over to coco (the sound of the bubbles in the buckets makes me crazy). All I CAN say about the results so far is it seems to be working great. My Indica dominate White Berry is just exploding with huge green leaves that are not showing any nute stress even running it at their 'aggressive' level of dosage. I'm only 5 days into 12/12 and my NL9 is already exploding with pistils. The root balls in all 4 of my buckets is very healthy looking. Nice white/cream colored root balls that are appropriately sized to each of the plants. So, I think the combination of the roots accelerator and the drip clean is making for a very healthy root base, which as well all know is what makes the whole thing happen.

mgk

 

[~Shhh~]

mistress reminds me a lil bit of skunkworks, a poster from back on OG.
I appreciate the fact that she has given an alternative to drip clean and broken down the science on why it should work. Not really sure about if it actually would work or not but there should be some peeps here that were not bunning J's while skipping chem. ed. I am not one of them btw, lol

I am using drip clean now on my grow, primarily as a drip cleaner as I am also using a molasses based additive that leaves a lil brown residue on my pump.

Kruchbubble, Canna also do a drip clean called 'D block' and I think H&G also have their own too, sure some other co. have one but Amnesia haze is doing it's job right now, so...

I started to drip feed at 4 weeks into bloom due to laziness and having to feed 70+ plants by hand was becoming a bit of a chore after good few hours at work. Prior to this I was feeding them EC1.8 with very little to no run off for 6/7 watering then the last watering of week (even though not stuck every week ) I would give a good ole feeding (1.5-2L for 4 liters of coco) to help any build up of salts... few plants would be of the ricter scale, well EC meter in terms of run off at this point EC would flash 3.2! So when I set the timer for drippers up I ensured they would have a little run off daily probably circa 5-10%. I started them off on PK13/14 a lil early (week 4) at a low dose and one burned up a bit (largest plant drying quicker than others) hence the quick move to run off and drip clean.

Also added drip clean to 'magnetize' 'dirt' or salts that have built up in pots due to high EC watering and not enough run off pre-week 4 bloom.... I am hoping that my lazy watering pre week 4 bloom won't effect the final taste... But have some flushing solution that will also be used for a week prior to 5 days water & canna boost flush.