we're good DARC, but not that good - you'll have to show us the picture 
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Fall Foliage
- Thread starter mad librettist
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So do we start guessing now? Over watered,depleted N.,or slight lockout................those are mine. Definitely curious what others think because I see this here and there in the garden.
i'd take a guess at iron def. usually because pH too high
not sure though
V.
not sure though
V.
something immobile?
ok some more hints, the yellowing did not start with lower leaves nor the edges of leaves. eventually it hit them but that was weeks into the problem.
knowing the location and timing of these symptoms is a critical aspect of any nutrient problem evaluation.
noticed the pale yellowing on the out edges of the leaves, even on the younger picture the older fall leaves show signs of this as well.
its not really a N problem and i dont over water im sure of that...
this is why properly IDing the problem is very important. you can do more harm then good when trying to fix. many problems have similar symptoms and sometimes it is a combination of problems or eventually will be (hint).
know how would some of you try to fix this problem??
knowing the location and timing of these symptoms is a critical aspect of any nutrient problem evaluation.
noticed the pale yellowing on the out edges of the leaves, even on the younger picture the older fall leaves show signs of this as well.
its not really a N problem and i dont over water im sure of that...
this is why properly IDing the problem is very important. you can do more harm then good when trying to fix. many problems have similar symptoms and sometimes it is a combination of problems or eventually will be (hint).
know how would some of you try to fix this problem??
it was short on compost tea?
remind us which are the immobile ones again?
did you lower pH to solve it?
localhero
Member
My guess:
since you re used old soil without ammending and the older bottom leaves started to yellow last, plus its an over all loss of green from the looks of it, maybe the soil ran out of goodies. Thats only if you werent feeding it anything besides water.
I think verdant hit the nail on the head for my plant issue, well partly anyways. I thought i was bein smart by using the evaporate off of my mini splits to gravity feed my humidifier. made sense. bare bulbs are hot and need ac, ac sucks out water and humidifier replaces lost water. so why not aim the drain tubes from the ac's to a 55 gallon drum and then connect that to the humidifier fill tube right? supposedely humi water is almost no ppm and before i had the humi connected straight to my home water pipes - causing alot of calcium depositing on everything. well on paper it should have been a great idea. no more powder left from humidifier residue, no wasting expensive water.
WRONG. plants all started to show interveinal chlorosis, yellowing, leaf curling and looking butt. though hmm maybe theyre having a tough time adjusting to the new light setup? light burn? thought hmm mybe i fucked up the soil mix and put way too much lime or something. but the other plant in veg in a seprerate room without humi and same exact soil batch looked awesome. so i ph tested the evaporate from the acs. like 8.8 and then read up on humi evaporate again. well yes it is close to 0 ppm, something like 15ppm BUT that 15 ppm is all COPPER from the condensor pipes in the ac. shit so basically i was constantly foliar feeding copper to my plants through the humidifier. maybe the high ph caused iron lockout and the plants were od'ed on copper. sweet.
on the bright side im hoping atleast the humi put a bunch of copper residue on the walls and will act as an anti fungal coating in my room. i mean they inject copper into lumber to make it mold resistant right?
anyways, swapped out the condensate for ro'ed water and flushed the crap out of them (sucks to flush a 20 gallon container) and they seem to be recovering. gonna use the condensate barrel to feed the outdoor bamboo hedge. nothing seems to kill those.
since you re used old soil without ammending and the older bottom leaves started to yellow last, plus its an over all loss of green from the looks of it, maybe the soil ran out of goodies. Thats only if you werent feeding it anything besides water.
I think verdant hit the nail on the head for my plant issue, well partly anyways. I thought i was bein smart by using the evaporate off of my mini splits to gravity feed my humidifier. made sense. bare bulbs are hot and need ac, ac sucks out water and humidifier replaces lost water. so why not aim the drain tubes from the ac's to a 55 gallon drum and then connect that to the humidifier fill tube right? supposedely humi water is almost no ppm and before i had the humi connected straight to my home water pipes - causing alot of calcium depositing on everything. well on paper it should have been a great idea. no more powder left from humidifier residue, no wasting expensive water.
WRONG. plants all started to show interveinal chlorosis, yellowing, leaf curling and looking butt. though hmm maybe theyre having a tough time adjusting to the new light setup? light burn? thought hmm mybe i fucked up the soil mix and put way too much lime or something. but the other plant in veg in a seprerate room without humi and same exact soil batch looked awesome. so i ph tested the evaporate from the acs. like 8.8 and then read up on humi evaporate again. well yes it is close to 0 ppm, something like 15ppm BUT that 15 ppm is all COPPER from the condensor pipes in the ac. shit so basically i was constantly foliar feeding copper to my plants through the humidifier. maybe the high ph caused iron lockout and the plants were od'ed on copper. sweet.
on the bright side im hoping atleast the humi put a bunch of copper residue on the walls and will act as an anti fungal coating in my room. i mean they inject copper into lumber to make it mold resistant right?
anyways, swapped out the condensate for ro'ed water and flushed the crap out of them (sucks to flush a 20 gallon container) and they seem to be recovering. gonna use the condensate barrel to feed the outdoor bamboo hedge. nothing seems to kill those.
V
vonforne
Maybe I need new glasses but I cannot see the picture..........
but to guess.......
immobile elements like calcium and iron and a few others. VG had it right I think with the PH. or too much Mg. but most likely the PH. Could have been that with the soil being recycled and the soil being a little acidic......just a guess with no picture.
Von
but to guess.......
immobile elements like calcium and iron and a few others. VG had it right I think with the PH. or too much Mg. but most likely the PH. Could have been that with the soil being recycled and the soil being a little acidic......just a guess with no picture.
Von
C
Can & Juana
magnesium def
ok i put 3 chips on calcium
probably a combination of a few
Von i was thinking that the pH was to high rather than too low. thats what plants tend to look like ime when the pH is too high. some of mine start to look like that when i dont amend my tapwater pH
of course im no great expert on deficiencies as i dont get many
come on DARC you've kept us in suspense for long enough
Von i was thinking that the pH was to high rather than too low. thats what plants tend to look like ime when the pH is too high. some of mine start to look like that when i dont amend my tapwater pH
of course im no great expert on deficiencies as i dont get many
come on DARC you've kept us in suspense for long enough
Verdant, capt cheeze1, can & juana and Von (sorry about the pics ??) pretty much got it!
The mix was a used peat based LC mix, (well close to it)
4 parts peat
3 part perlite/vermiculite mix
3 part ewc/compost mix
2 tbsp dolomite,2 tbsp kelp, 3 tbsp alfalfa, 2 tbsp fish bone, 1 tbsp soft rock P
but went threw one grow, with no time to cure and no additional amendments...
I started maybe 5 seeds (same strain) in this mix and 2 out of 5 did this. they were fed with ACT, alfalfa tea, kelp tea (drench and foliar) and top mulched with compost/ewc for the most part.
the plant in the images was the plant who showed signs of stress first & most ,you were looking at week 3 of what I believe was a PH issue. She showed mg deficiency IMO first but then others seemed to appear as well, witch you all seem to do a good job on IDing (copper,cal,N) but i think mg showed the most.
here she is young when i first noticed problems
this is what the others looked like (shes on the left)
different shade of green on most (all the same strain)
to fix was easy, a transplant in properly amended and cured recycled soil.
this was the image of the first day of transplant
and here she is now
she started to hulk up with in one week and the second week she was green with joy
nothing like good old soil packed with goodness
The mix was a used peat based LC mix, (well close to it)
4 parts peat
3 part perlite/vermiculite mix
3 part ewc/compost mix
2 tbsp dolomite,2 tbsp kelp, 3 tbsp alfalfa, 2 tbsp fish bone, 1 tbsp soft rock P
but went threw one grow, with no time to cure and no additional amendments...
I started maybe 5 seeds (same strain) in this mix and 2 out of 5 did this. they were fed with ACT, alfalfa tea, kelp tea (drench and foliar) and top mulched with compost/ewc for the most part.
the plant in the images was the plant who showed signs of stress first & most ,you were looking at week 3 of what I believe was a PH issue. She showed mg deficiency IMO first but then others seemed to appear as well, witch you all seem to do a good job on IDing (copper,cal,N) but i think mg showed the most.
here she is young when i first noticed problems
this is what the others looked like (shes on the left)
different shade of green on most (all the same strain)
to fix was easy, a transplant in properly amended and cured recycled soil.
this was the image of the first day of transplant
and here she is now
she started to hulk up with in one week and the second week she was green with joy
nothing like good old soil packed with goodness
W
whatissixbynine
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Okay....my turn. This plant was flowered in the exact same mix as the plants in the next photo. There is not much difference in anything except two things that were done without any interfering with light,water,soil mix. The mix rocks,I'll post some more pics in a bit. Sorry to jump on the current trend of this thread and continue with the derailing of the topic Mad L.,but I guess you could say this foliage is about to fall. The strain is PK(Pure Kush)
is that a reveg?
