Who's adding other stuff with Head/Rez/Lucas 6/9?

[MarquisBlack]

another shameless advertisement brought to you from the guys at advanced nutrients.


your gear is all hype. the only people online talking about how good it is, is you, and maybe a few of the uninformed.

I'm running their Sensi Grow/Bloom line at regular dosage in both NFT and coco and I've noticed slightly better growth rates than I did when I used GH micro/bloom. The ones in Veg in coco are noticeably greener than when I used 6/9 or when I used Floranova Grow. If you think I work for Advanced, you're kidding yourself.

As far as the additives debate goes, I think there is much wisdom in the notion that simple base nutrients can provide all essential nutrition to your plants. However, I think this KISS principle is taken too far sometimes.

Yes, it is unwise for anyone with little to no experience with a line of nutrients to buy both the bases, and all the additives right out of the gate. However, to suggest that no additive is worth its price is completely misguided.

I'd be willing to pay double in nutrients to have slightly more yield/flavor/bag appeal. Nutrients are inexpensive when compared to electricity.

Just take it slow, do your research on what additives are worthwhile, and experiment. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, but if you aren't happy with your growth rates, or you feel like your strain needs a little something extra (ie, floppy stems -> silica) then go for it.

 

[bluebublelove]

not you marquis, your history on here speaks for itself, I'm reffering to a few different recently joined members who participate in no other conversations other than those pertaining to advanced nutrients and then use the message board as a medium for there advertising...

 

[whodi]

how can you get any greener? THis is a pic of h3ads Casey Jones I believe with the 6/9

You can keep your advanced nutrients ha

 

[Ganja D]

how can you get any greener? THis is a pic of h3ads Casey Jones I believe with the 6/9

You can keep your advanced nutrients ha

The question is what did that produce? And could it have been better or more?
I would put a plant that big in a larger container. What kind of yield did you get? I would expect over 6 ounces on a plant that big under 1000 watt lighting. Never done Casey Jones, but heard the yield is huge. I looked at your album and your finished buds don't look very crystallized, perhaps some additives would improve that.
Here is a picture of double strawberry diesel I did with lot's of additives. It's a bad picture but you can definitely see the crystals. Compare to pics of your dry stuff with no additives. That should prove they make a big difference, right?

 

[whodi]

no.. marquis black said his nutrients make his plants greener... and that 6/9 doesn't make them as green... then i posted that pic of the 6/9 grown plant... LOOKS PERFECTLY GREEN TO ME

And that's h3ads pic, as stated above.

and i havent updated my album in a long time.. nothin but cash croppin there.

 

[Ganja D]

True, it does look very green and healthy. My point is what did it result in and could that have been improved with certain additives on top of the 6/9 formula. For instance, certain carbs, sugars, enzymes, humic acids etc.

 

[BigTop]

I'm in coir & have noticed a problem with hooking on certain strains when I run it a full 6/9... tend to find 5/8 my max base mix. But, I also tend to run my room warm, so my gut says the plants want more water in my room... lower rates but w higher frequencies. I also mix per Heads suggestion of 1tsp Epsom per 5 gal bucket. With base RO, this requires just under 2ml pH up per gal, for me at least.

During veg & initial flowering, I will use Barricade (KSi) to pH buffer vs the GH up.


Have to admit on the additives... without a true side-by-side comparison over time...

Roots Excel (H&G)~ mostly as an inoculant during cutting & transplants. works great in low doses... no DO in my cutting trays ever since... at 3 weeks = 100%. Once colonies established in my coir, no more applications.

Hygrozyme~ can't remember what it was like without, but that is just because of the time. honestly don't know what it would be like in a side-by-side w/o, been running it so long...? ClackamasCoot had a good suggestion on an alternative... look his posts up to find.

Diamond Nectar (fulvic)~ used primarily as a food source for the RE/bene's. also apparently a chelate + precursor for carb's plants produce. don't know w/o.

Bloombastic~ don't know about just bumping the GHBloom... interesting idea. What about the added Sulfur ratios vs a bloom product? Anywho... always used a booster, but in low ratios... 120-150ppm's added at max. Can say that BMB has a visibly different nug formation over BB/OD... tighter/denser.


I need to read Head's entire thread... ;-)

Peace all

 

[whodi]

True, it does look very green and healthy. My point is what did it result in and could that have been improved with certain additives on top of the 6/9 formula. For instance, certain carbs, sugars, enzymes, humic acids etc.

Ya.. that's why i use floralicious plus and silica blast now. I'll update my album soon since i've been using these additives.. maybe get a video showing the dif that silica blast makes on the branches.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

True, it does look very green and healthy. My point is what did it result in and could that have been improved with certain additives on top of the 6/9 formula. For instance, certain carbs, sugars, enzymes, humic acids etc.

it was actually oriental express, I believe, and it ran a little over a QP... the OE is not a big yielder, though, thin sativa buds.


play around with additives all you like... I'm growing the pot I like to smoke... I know what substances are essential to growing and which are beneficial. In a hydro situation like coco, there is really no use for anything which is not directly available to plant metabolism. but like I said, play around with additives all you like.

when someone has some side by side comparison to show me, I'll look at it, but I've not seen or smoked anything yet which made me rethink my growing strategy...

 

[*mistress*]

general data sets:
http://forums.bghydro.com/faq.php?faq=faq_nutrients

What is the difference between an enhancer and a nutrient?

Nutrients are stand-alone, in other words plants can be grown successfully with nutrients with out the need for enhancers. Enhancers are not stand alone. Enhancers are used in addition to nutrients and are designed for a specific task, e.g. bloom stimulation, root development, flavor, etc.

Examples:
Root Stimulators – Rhizotonic, Green Fuse Root, Super Nova
Growth Stimulators – Green Fuse Grow, Floralicious Grow
Flower and Fruit stimulators – Bloom Blaster, KoolBloom, PK 13/14, Monster Bloom, Green Fuse Bloom.
Flavor – Sweet, Floralicious Bloom.


What are some good enhancers for me to get started with?

Enhancers are designed for growers to be able to get the maximum performance out of their plants. Please note that when using enhancers the pH and TDS of the nutrient solution should be closely monitored. The pH and TDS levels should always remain within the optimal range for each growth stage.

Rooting –

Rhizotonic – enhances root growth, thus creating more feeder roots. Rhizotonic also helps plants overcome stress such as transplant shock. For the seedling and clone stage use 3 (15ml) teaspoons per gallon. For mid and late vegetative stages use 1½ (7.5ml) teaspoons per gallon. From flowering till the end of harvest use ½ (2.5ml) teaspoon per gallon.
FulMag – enhances root development and allows better nutrient absorption by the root system. The application rate is 3 (15ml) teaspoons per gallon.

Growth –

Floralicious Grow – Application rate is 1 (5ml) teaspoon per gallon from early growth stage through to late growth.

Bloom –

Bloom Blaster – This product should be used from the second week of flowering through to the last week before harvesting. Bloom Blaster helps stimulate the plant to produce flowers and increases fruit size and mass. The application rate is 1 (5grams) per gallon of water.
Floralicious Bloom – This taste enhancer should be used from early flowering until harvest. Application rate is 1 (5ml) teaspoon per gallon.
Sweet – This is also a flavor enhancing product, it can be used form early growth through to harvesting. Sweet can be used in the place of Floralicous Grow and Bloom.

play around with additives all you like... I'm growing the pot I like to smoke... I know what substances are essential to growing and which are beneficial. In a hydro situation like coco, there is really no use for anything which is not directly available to plant metabolism. but like I said, play around with additives all you like.

when someone has some side by side comparison to show me, I'll look at it, but I've not seen or smoked anything yet which made me rethink my growing strategy...

...
well-grounded...
try floralicious bloom 1-1-1, if nothing else... thru-out entire cycle. difference should be readily apparent. compared to non-floralicious plant.

molasses also directly available to plant metabolism...
all 3 physical matter aspects of molasses available to plant:
a) sugar.
soluble carbohydrates (disaccharide and monosaccharide hexose sugars)

b) non-sugar
mainly carbohydrates, such as starch, nitrogen compounds (which gives beet molasses its earthy flavour and smell) and organic acids.

c) mineral
calcium content of cane molasses is high (up to 1%), whereas the phosphorus content is low. potassium (which are present as chlorides), magnesium and sulphur. also contains significant quantities of trace minerals, copper for example (7ppm), zinc (10ppm), iron (200ppm), manganese (200ppm), & vitamin b1...

as for side-by-side... should be easy enough to include 1 tsp/gal ea floralicious bloom & wholesom sweetenr molasses. minimal amount, which *mistress* goes over, but even that little amount should,

1) noticeably enhance flavors/aromas, terrior (floralicious); and
2) not iceable enhance density, solidness of texture (molasses)...

maybe, maybe not... but odds on improve taste/textures, etc after small additions. fwiw...

enjoy your garden!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

general data sets:
http://forums.bghydro.com/faq.php?faq=faq_nutrients



...
well-grounded...
try floralicious bloom 1-1-1, if nothing else... thru-out entire cycle. difference should be readily apparent. compared to non-floralicious plant.

molasses also directly available to plant metabolism...
all 3 physical matter aspects of molasses available to plant:
a) sugar.
soluble carbohydrates (disaccharide and monosaccharide hexose sugars)

b) non-sugar
mainly carbohydrates, such as starch, nitrogen compounds (which gives beet molasses its earthy flavour and smell) and organic acids.

c) mineral
calcium content of cane molasses is high (up to 1%), whereas the phosphorus content is low. potassium (which are present as chlorides), magnesium and sulphur. also contains significant quantities of trace minerals, copper for example (7ppm), zinc (10ppm), iron (200ppm), manganese (200ppm), & vitamin b1...

as for side-by-side... should be easy enough to include 1 tsp/gal ea floralicious bloom & wholesom sweetenr molasses. minimal amount, which *mistress* goes over, but even that little amount should,

1) noticeably enhance flavors/aromas, terrior (floralicious); and
2) not iceable enhance density, solidness of texture (molasses)...

maybe, maybe not... but odds on improve taste/textures, etc after small additions. fwiw...

enjoy your garden!

Thank you for your info... Though, I'm not really looking for advice... If someone wants to show me results, then I'll look...

I've smoked a lot of different grower's herb, grown a lot of different ways, and have yet to smoke anything or see anyone's garden which made me question my methods... Not saying I haven't seen impressive gardens, just not better ones, imho...

I know another grower using 6/9 + floralicious + Koolbloom (right now... he's also tried a lot of other adds) in coco and my buds taste cleaner, burn better, and his yields are no better than mine... Also, I've had organic growers mistake my bud for organic... I cannot see how any additive can possible make more than a marginal difference, and I don't buy into marketing...

I'm not going to muck around with what I know works without being shown something better... I may get around to doing a side by side, but I've spent a lot of years teaching myself to grow what I like to smoke best... If I ever see something that makes me think a change is warranted, I'll change in a heartbeat...

 

[Ganja D]

Grat3fulh3ad: When I was saying that plant should yield over 5 or six ounces I thought it was Casey Jones not OE. Not trying to knock your method in anyway.
I also grow in soil so I see your point about non immediately available things in the medium. At some point I plan on taking the leap into coco as well.
I also admit that growing with guano, kelp, and molasses will result in a cleaner more enjoyable smoke. But when weight and potency are important factors I use a full nute line and tons of additives to get the results I'm looking for. It's like making a witches brew putting 13 liquids and powders in the res and stirring.

 

[*mistress*]

not intend to give 'advice'... not @ icmag for that... only share what work, for flavor enhance, etc...
same boat as Grat3fulh3ad, seems none compare to *mistress* fruit... @ least constituency like, lots...

as for 'see'... *mistress* dont post pic...
only post on this thread because Grat3fulh3ad seem to like quality - w/out caught in chem/org/this/that debate...

if own methods are successful, then no... try nothing else. in state of bliss/satori...

however, seem to prefer gh nutes...
before gh floralicious 1st came out, used supernatural conentrated nutes...

& tried many, many different additives. partially due to gr&wgr&en's very successful gardens, back @ cw, tried floralicious... now, by gallon get...

not @ icmag to state yi&ld, etc, but if like more flavor, aromatics, texture, expression of fruit, floralicious may be helpful.

every garden will be different, if only based on terrior, even if same cut... (found this recent, when *mistress* narrow selected cut give to imaginary space alien to test... different, though same...)

also, no question that silica (not in many, many standard nute) make limbs stronger. not new data... been around since kru&ty was staing that to make trees strong.

any event, thanks for thread & discussion. hope the best & stay @ top of your garden.
once gardener gets dialed, no need to dial any other. if found own rosetta-stone, ...

only sharing what work for fictitious garden/er, over several/several moments.

enjoy your garden!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Grat3fulh3ad: When I was saying that plant should yield over 5 or six ounces I thought it was Casey Jones not OE. Not trying to knock your method in anyway.
I also grow in soil so I see your point about non immediately available things in the medium. At some point I plan on taking the leap into coco as well.
I also admit that growing with guano, kelp, and molasses will result in a cleaner more enjoyable smoke. But when weight and potency are important factors I use a full nute line and tons of additives to get the results I'm looking for. It's like making a witches brew putting 13 liquids and powders in the res and stirring.

yeah... that'd have been a monster casey...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'm not saying my method is best or anything of the sort...
I just was looking for actual comparison data.
To be honest I hear as many people claim no result as I hear claim positive result, and thought this thread might be a good spot to gather someone actual else's experimental data, if there was any out there to be had.

 

[Kiwi Star]

I can't follow the said recipes, as the products aren't down this close to Antarctica yet. But I'll still post anyway, any comments/hints will be much appreciated.

I use the full canna range (coco, coco nutes, rhizo, zym, pk13/14 and boost). Also, I use flairform silica along with superthrive. pH at 6.0 (5.8 in veg).

Silica and rhizo have very obvious results, and I wouldn't grow without them ever again. Not too sure on the zym and pk. There's no way I wouldn't use boost again (even at its price).

I will do tests and everything in time, but this run I'm going to be testing out brix+ and running molasses for the first time.

imo everything pays itself back at least 5 times over. Cheap growing is expensive growing.

Peace

 

[B. Friendly]

Enlarge pic on post below >>>

 

[B. Friendly]

Finally got it so it make sense:

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

There is no way using all those products would be worth the $$$. And what kind of EC are you running using that many different products?

 

[simple green]

Yeah I have no interest in taking up any regimen like that.

I'm talking about an additive or two...might try silica blast and L. Karma or Floralicious+ as additives in a direct comparison to just 6/9 (w a lil kool bloom as directed)...