It's 2050: Can We Feed Nine Billion People Sustainably?
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because no civil rights violations occur on American soil, ever...
If you are rich and white.
If you are rich and white.
because no civil rights violations occur on American soil, ever...
If you are rich and white.
I'll put my freedoms up against theirs anyday...and my healthcare
As far as your political comment, I have no comment.
TOU, it's a good read.
KK... but my 'political comment' was merely a response to yours.
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arcticsun
Let me paint out a picture of the future for you guys as i see it, top of the world perspective. 
There is no shortage of land.
I think the current problem is more in the terms of global inefficiency. Certain things indicate a massive development throughout Eurasia in the next decades. If the warming trend continues there must be a breakdown of the political barriers in order to ensure global trade routes in the new areas.
One thing is the northern freigh route, which promices a much more efficient trade and transport system throughout the northern hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_East_West_Freight_Corridor
And then there is the promise of the future opening of the northern sea route aswell..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sea_Route
And the northwest passage; http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070917-northwest-passage.html
Can you begin to see a whole new massive infrastructure forming? This is not future utopia, this is something that they are moving on right now, this infrastructure looks by everything i can see to become reality. If you do a little research on countries like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, you will see there is a massive development in those areas at the moment. Global warming puts central asia back on the map for real, these countries are likely to become trade powers in the future IF the warming leads to development in the northern region.
The areas that become available for development through GW are massive, such great abundance of land have we not seen since they discovered America. One problem is however, what happens if we settle this land and it then freezes over again like it has before?
There is no guarantee that his hypothetical reality becomes true, there are some nutter dictators and warlords to deal with, loads of peoples destinies are at stakes and so on. Many things can and will go wrong ofc.
But hypothetically, given a smooth continuous GW, then sure the northern and southern extremes of the hemispheres can sustain the 2 bill people. Especially the northern hemisphere has a lot of land and a lot of resources. Biggest problem is as I said what incase of a worst case scenario with a rapid cooling trend again like we had in the little ice age period 13th to 19th century or so.
I fear such an event may lead to a lowered world population actually.
But there is no reason for you to be living all cramped ontop of each other, there is plenty of space for those that dares to go out into the unknown. Little untouched paradises are everywhere.
Uhm... I hope I touched at least briefly upon the current topic lol.
Peace all
There is no shortage of land.
I think the current problem is more in the terms of global inefficiency. Certain things indicate a massive development throughout Eurasia in the next decades. If the warming trend continues there must be a breakdown of the political barriers in order to ensure global trade routes in the new areas.
One thing is the northern freigh route, which promices a much more efficient trade and transport system throughout the northern hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_East_West_Freight_Corridor
And then there is the promise of the future opening of the northern sea route aswell..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sea_Route
And the northwest passage; http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070917-northwest-passage.html
Can you begin to see a whole new massive infrastructure forming? This is not future utopia, this is something that they are moving on right now, this infrastructure looks by everything i can see to become reality. If you do a little research on countries like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, you will see there is a massive development in those areas at the moment. Global warming puts central asia back on the map for real, these countries are likely to become trade powers in the future IF the warming leads to development in the northern region.
The areas that become available for development through GW are massive, such great abundance of land have we not seen since they discovered America. One problem is however, what happens if we settle this land and it then freezes over again like it has before?
There is no guarantee that his hypothetical reality becomes true, there are some nutter dictators and warlords to deal with, loads of peoples destinies are at stakes and so on. Many things can and will go wrong ofc.
But hypothetically, given a smooth continuous GW, then sure the northern and southern extremes of the hemispheres can sustain the 2 bill people. Especially the northern hemisphere has a lot of land and a lot of resources. Biggest problem is as I said what incase of a worst case scenario with a rapid cooling trend again like we had in the little ice age period 13th to 19th century or so.
I fear such an event may lead to a lowered world population actually.
But there is no reason for you to be living all cramped ontop of each other, there is plenty of space for those that dares to go out into the unknown. Little untouched paradises are everywhere.
Uhm... I hope I touched at least briefly upon the current topic lol.
Peace all
Your inflammatory political comment...
Better ?
We all know it's a grey area around here....
you make terrific points arcticsun .
there are always short term fixes for short sighted goals and expectations .
not to discredit the very systems of economy you explain ; habitats that were "nearly uninhabitable" 100 years ago will be as "habitable" as much as Michigan is now . it basically is not biologically habitable by human beings without the consumption of resources and use of technology . So really , we will be able to "house" people in these newly "habitable" areas , but the effects are only to expend the already limited amount of resources ; land .
I propose while we can , in the Information Technology Age, a complete overhaul of our entire culture and society, and way of thinking and caring, to ensure adequate resources for as many future healthy humans as possible
I am not an advocate of a failed specie unwilling to revise its standards . I am an advocate of the possibility of a collective ego doing what it can to not create an overpopulated future of corruption , violence , cruelty , and worst ; sadness .
there are always short term fixes for short sighted goals and expectations .
not to discredit the very systems of economy you explain ; habitats that were "nearly uninhabitable" 100 years ago will be as "habitable" as much as Michigan is now . it basically is not biologically habitable by human beings without the consumption of resources and use of technology . So really , we will be able to "house" people in these newly "habitable" areas , but the effects are only to expend the already limited amount of resources ; land .
I propose while we can , in the Information Technology Age, a complete overhaul of our entire culture and society, and way of thinking and caring, to ensure adequate resources for as many future healthy humans as possible
I am not an advocate of a failed specie unwilling to revise its standards . I am an advocate of the possibility of a collective ego doing what it can to not create an overpopulated future of corruption , violence , cruelty , and worst ; sadness .
lmao... OK... my inflammatory political comment was merely a response to yours.
better?
There is nothing but grey area, my friend... black and white are illusory fabrications.
Hardly, the black and white comes into play depending on your political leanings around these parts.
The rest, as it pertains to the other side, is about as grey as it gets.
Your response (initial) is a prime example of that, as is the entire GW thread.
But hey, whatda I know, call me crazy.
You need to re-read my post in the GW thread if you think I've been politically extreme, crazy, that is you... I just post fact, and fuck with hoosierdaddy.
there is no black and white it is all grey.
I love the fact in assuming that "The world needs to be fed" by "us"...
In 2050 I will have my family and those around me to worry about and nothing more. I don't grow my own food now to feed other people so why would I do it then. People need to stop relying on others to provide for them and get off their ass and do it themselves.
If you can't eat, can't find food and don't know how to grow or make your own THEN you don't belong here. The law of the jungle would be in full effect to say the least and if it comes down to you or me going hungry, I can tell you "I'M STUFFED!"..
The whole too many people thing does work wonders with the conspiracy theorists of the iluminati and secret societies and why we have wars, so called natural disasters and so on. They want it down to what, 10% population? That would take AT LEAST a ww3 to happen for people not to see what is really going on, mass extinction but the sheep will be too stupid by then to do anything especially if we actually get to a ww3.
We spend billions on nation building and creating wars around this world when all that money could be used to feed and possibly house everyone without food or shelter currently. Nah, we are America we like to blow shit up! USA #1 OK Dokey!
In 2050 I will have my family and those around me to worry about and nothing more. I don't grow my own food now to feed other people so why would I do it then. People need to stop relying on others to provide for them and get off their ass and do it themselves.
If you can't eat, can't find food and don't know how to grow or make your own THEN you don't belong here. The law of the jungle would be in full effect to say the least and if it comes down to you or me going hungry, I can tell you "I'M STUFFED!"..
The whole too many people thing does work wonders with the conspiracy theorists of the iluminati and secret societies and why we have wars, so called natural disasters and so on. They want it down to what, 10% population? That would take AT LEAST a ww3 to happen for people not to see what is really going on, mass extinction but the sheep will be too stupid by then to do anything especially if we actually get to a ww3.
We spend billions on nation building and creating wars around this world when all that money could be used to feed and possibly house everyone without food or shelter currently. Nah, we are America we like to blow shit up! USA #1 OK Dokey!
because no civil rights violations occur on American soil, ever...
If you are rich and white.
Actually all you have to be now is rich..
The world needs to eat.
We are the worlds population, we need to feed ourselves.
There is no us and them.
People who think they are going to feed themselves and all the starving people will simple leave them be are deluded.
You grow your garden and worry about feeding yourself, and a whole gang of starving mofo's is gonna gank you.
We are the worlds population, we need to feed ourselves.
There is no us and them.
People who think they are going to feed themselves and all the starving people will simple leave them be are deluded.
You grow your garden and worry about feeding yourself, and a whole gang of starving mofo's is gonna gank you.
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arcticsun
Thus it is imperative that the new settlements relies to a large extent on renewable resources.
I should think there will have to be a humane movement yes. And I think all segments of society should support it as I think it will lift the entirety to a new level. Even those who supposedly have it "all".
Im an eternal optimist, I see a bright future ahead. So many possibilities, but the danger lies in all the riches that lie undiscovered in these new areas. Some are as you say waiting to exploit them for short term benefit, which will damage the opportunity for the many to create a sustainable and renewable type of society in these areas.
As far as overpopulation is concerned, we need to tear down these country barriers so people can move freely without getting body searched every 50 miles.
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arcticsun
Here, just a hint of what is happening
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/08/27/big-unveil-massive-mobius-strip-library-for-kazakhstan/
THAT is pretty far off the image that Borat has instilled in you about Kazakhstan isnt it? Start digging around a little in the business of central Eurasian states and you will be amazed of what you find.
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/08/27/big-unveil-massive-mobius-strip-library-for-kazakhstan/
THAT is pretty far off the image that Borat has instilled in you about Kazakhstan isnt it? Start digging around a little in the business of central Eurasian states and you will be amazed of what you find.
I'm saving up for a minigun..
better have several... and a tin mine and a copper mine and a lead mine and a coal mine and plenty of salt peter and sulphur and percussion caps and...
Greenfingeer
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We might have fussion by then which will probly run on tritium which is made from 2 other chemicals that there are insane amounts of in the ocean, which can supply mega food grow ops in places that aint farmable / liveable (Countrys with much mountains etc) and in long terms, it might even industralise(spelling?) Africa and help with their starving problem.
an excellent power source such as fusion power I believe is powerful enough to sustain our species to beyond this planet , and undoubtedly this is the imminent goal ; to propagate the universe .
realistically , we are far from providing the infrastructure to contain such energy , electricity, and until then there will just be exponentially more suffering in the name of conquering the universe.
but that is the goal of life me thinks . life somehow understands that this planet will finish and vanish into space so there is a pertinence to inoculate other cultures.
realistically , we are far from providing the infrastructure to contain such energy , electricity, and until then there will just be exponentially more suffering in the name of conquering the universe.
but that is the goal of life me thinks . life somehow understands that this planet will finish and vanish into space so there is a pertinence to inoculate other cultures.
Nor'Easter
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so now you are hinting you support global warming arcticsun? I am confused!
