Recent Serious Seeds AK-47 seedstock

[Dnutz]

I know I started this thread, and that I could've let it die. But I've found some new info on this subject, straight from the horses mouth, such as it is.

Check it out (from Treating Yourself):

"For Simon, master breeder of Serious Seeds, finding the unique AK-47 genetic profile was a rare case of the 'lucky punch' every cannabis seed breeder dreams of. In 1992, after having tested thousands of experimental plants of different breeding lines, he finally achieved his goal of creating a high-quality Sativa/Indica strain with excellent overall properties and a lot of charisma - the AK-47 was born. Although Simon keeps the exact pedigree of AK-47 as a secret, like the composition of Coca Cola, he reveals that it was bred from Colombian, Mexican, Thai and Afghani seed stock, resulting in a 50:50 Indica/Sativa hybrid.



At the recent High Times Cannabis Cup (HTCC) 2003, there was some confusion about the fact that Simon entered AK-47 in the Indica Cup for the first time, instead of the Sativa Cup like before, in which the AK had gained several Cup honours, always being considered a mostly Sativa. But the above-mentioned Sativa/Indica relation of 50:50 allows for reclassifying AK-47 every time new results in the breeding process have lead to dominant outer traits of either the Sativa or the Indica type. Because after having finished a new strain and releasing it to the market, Simon uses to keep on working on the genetic formula and partly rebuilds the strains after some years by using previously unused material within the same genetic line as new parent, thus refreshing genetics. The trade-mark characteristics of the strain are basically maintained thereby, only the accents are shifted a little bit. This practice is the reason why Simon's small, but exclusive seed collection never loses its fascination and dynamics. On the HTCC 2003 Indica entry of AK-47 he comments: "Since the AK is currently more appropriately described as an Indica type of effect, we decided to enter it under Indica." Simon furthermore explains the reason for this recent Indica-dominated development of AK-47: "Imagine for example that during your breeding process you choose from each generation the shortest, fattest, mostly kick-ass plants for next parents all the time. Indeed, the % stays the same whatever plants you choose, but the plants effect and looks will be more what we call Indica-like. Such is the case, more or less."



An experienced grower called Cloudz conducted this project, using eight original White Russian seeds. All of them germinated On the whole, AK-47 has won 8 prizes at Cannabis Cups, covering a time period of one decade! It first scored 2nd place in the hydro category of the HTCC 1994, achieved the same ranking in the Indica category of the HTCC 2003 and, on top of that, was recently chosen as "plant of the year 2003" by High Times Magazine in Dec. 2003. "Forever young" could really be the motto of AK-47.


AK47 With its currently predominating Indica characteristics, AK-47 tends to grow to a medium-sized plant with only moderate side-branching, making for a large fat main cola along with several excellent secondary tops. Hence the overall yield can be way above average, Serious Seeds declares 350-500 g per m2 as achievable under good indoor conditions, after 53-63 days of flowering - which is a pretty good time deal, regarding the AK's outstanding qualities in both high and aroma. AK leafs are dark-green, showing more of the Indica spectrum, but not as wide as full Indica leafs. What is remarkable is the fact that also after the latest Indica approach in the AK breeding process, Simon managed to maintain that Sativa-typical high calyx-to-leaf ratio which means lots of flowers and only a few leafs. The single AK calyx size tends to be unsually large, resulting in fat clusters grouping together very decoratively and densely, contributing to the trade-mark appearance of AK-47. These fluffy, compact nuggs ooze lots of glistening trichomes and break up nicely, leaving plenty of resinous crystals on your fingers, unleashing an unusually strong, sweet and fruity aroma."

I am interested in buying a pack of AK from the boo here in about a month and I am glad I read the whole thread to get to this info! If all of this is current then it sounds like AK has never really lost its main basics, just changed a little bit over time. All in all I think that it would be a worthwhile experience... at least I hope! Any info you can find will be a great help

 

[Claude]

To add (completely unfounded,gossipy) fuel to the fire....There's also a rumor in the air that Serious' Seeds and Reservoir may,at some point in the future,work together on something.
Reservoir could,in fact,currently be developing something special for Serious' on 'spec....one never knows....and I certainly didn't say anything.

This is completely false informations.
Better it is the other way around, Simon been asking by other company to make a new strain for them.

Respect
Claude

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I am interested in buying a pack of AK from the boo here in about a month and I am glad I read the whole thread to get to this info! If all of this is current then it sounds like AK has never really lost its main basics, just changed a little bit over time. All in all I think that it would be a worthwhile experience... at least I hope! Any info you can find will be a great help

No doubt, that quote I put up about Simon really helped me make my decision too. It seems like a lot of people, probably and most notably "Subcool" are totally full of shit and when they don't know something, rather say "I don't know" they speculate at that which they want to know and make guesses. Only problem is that they don't inform the reader that what is to follow is just a guess, and sometimes they almost seem to pass it off as fact or common knowledge, Rezdog kind of did the same thing in his post criticizing Subcool for doing it. It was somewhat comical.

This is completely false informations.
Better it is the other way around, Simon been asking by other company to make a new strain for them.

Respect
Claude

Interesting. Rezdog DID say it was unfounded gossip, but if I was Simon I would love a Serious Seeds/Reservoir Seeds joint project, lol.

I was surprised because in Rezdogs post he clearly knocks Serious Seeds, first saying he's never seen a decent AK, and adding that his only grow effort with AK did not impress him (he only grew it once). In my opinion his post came off a little assholish, as his success with Reservoir Seeds doesn't really qualify him to discredit an entire breeder or strain after only having grown it once. He even said that it was outdated, which was kind of silly because legendary genetics are legendary . . . changing them for the sake of making them modern doesn't imply or even indicate an improvement, just a change, and change for the sake of change is just silly.


Also, you guys need a new site, Flash based sites are bad for businesses for so many reasons, they're ineffective and outdated and bad for SEO and functionality. The Serious Site has numerous glitches in the FLash files . . . I emailed Simon about this about a month back, but you guys need something HTML based where the text can be indexed by search engines.

Anyways, so for those of you reading this post who haven't read the thread, only the title, it sounds like the final say as to whether modern day AK-47 seedstock is comparable to stuff from "back in the day", AND as to why the new stuff looks more indica and old looks more sativa, we have an answer.

CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE ABOUT AK-47 OLD VS NEW AND WHAT HAS AND HASN'T CHANGED

 

[mkinbuds]

I have seen a cherry pheno AK47 come from Serious Seeds bought last year.
For me, flowering was best running 63-70 days topped once. Height was easy to manage. Not a lot of side branches, but not a pole either. Yield was average to above average. Overall I'd agree with others - I hadn't run a lot of known genetics at the time but I liked it a lot even though it wasn't the killer I expected.
I need medicine that helps nerve pain and it actually made my sciatica throb more initially before settling down a bit after 30-40 minutes. It was more of a fun smoke than a medicinal one.
I do not have that now, but I do have a new plant that is a cross of that cherry pheno with a Jamaican male. It is just something I'm playing with now, but I'll let ya know the results. She's about ready for me to take a bunch of cuts to test run.
This was forced and then put back in veg because it has a lot of that cherry/fruit pheno expressing and I didn't want to lose the line.

 

[nyy27]

This is completely false informations.
Better it is the other way around, Simon been asking by other company to make a new strain for them.

Respect
Claude

Merci beaucoup mon ami! Cas a fermé...

 

[zing]

I have grown AK47 from seed several times in the past year. It was the same outcome almost everytime. Its good weed, not the best, not the most hyped, but consistant. To me, that is something I enjoy. Kali is killer weed as well, one of my favorties hands down.

I heard "oh dude got to get pre 99 seeds, rest sucks", that turned out to be false. Seems like one person says something and the idiots run with it. Got to love the power or group thinking...... I say give AK47 a run, its good herb.

I have always enjoyed Serious's gear. They don't carry the internet hype of some other breeders, but to me that don't matter.

I like some of Subcools stuff. Jack the Ripper and querkel I put in my lineup and am always impressed with it. But I fail to find the consistency in seed form I get from say.... Brothers Grim, Serious, MrNice, DJ, ect.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I have seen a cherry pheno AK47 come from Serious Seeds bought last year.
For me, flowering was best running 63-70 days topped once. Height was easy to manage. Not a lot of side branches, but not a pole either. Yield was average to above average. Overall I'd agree with others - I hadn't run a lot of known genetics at the time but I liked it a lot even though it wasn't the killer I expected.
I need medicine that helps nerve pain and it actually made my sciatica throb more initially before settling down a bit after 30-40 minutes. It was more of a fun smoke than a medicinal one.
I do not have that now, but I do have a new plant that is a cross of that cherry pheno with a Jamaican male. It is just something I'm playing with now, but I'll let ya know the results. She's about ready for me to take a bunch of cuts to test run.
This was forced and then put back in veg because it has a lot of that cherry/fruit pheno expressing and I didn't want to lose the line.

Great post, great info. I really appreciate it! What was your yield like? How long did you veg?

The AK I've got running now are still in veg, and are the fastest vegging plants in my garden. They showed pre-flowers right around day 25 under a 400 MH. Of 3 I got 2 males 1 female, discarding the males. All the plants were healthy but the girl was the lushest, strongest plant of them all. Tons of side branches now, on day 27, with about 8 nodes. I plan on vegging it until it's about 18" tall, but it's growing real tight so it may be a bit.

I have grown AK47 from seed several times in the past year. It was the same outcome almost everytime. Its good weed, not the best, not the most hyped, but consistant. To me, that is something I enjoy. Kali is killer weed as well, one of my favorties hands down.

I heard "oh dude got to get pre 99 seeds, rest sucks", that turned out to be false. Seems like one person says something and the idiots run with it. Got to love the power or group thinking...... I say give AK47 a run, its good herb.

I have always enjoyed Serious's gear. They don't carry the internet hype of some other breeders, but to me that don't matter.

I like some of Subcools stuff. Jack the Ripper and querkel I put in my lineup and am always impressed with it. But I fail to find the consistency in seed form I get from say.... Brothers Grim, Serious, MrNice, DJ, ect.

Another great post, great info. Thanks! How was your AK yield? did they branch a lot or??

Got any more recent SS AK-47 stories? Post em up

 

[zing]

Another great post, great info. Thanks! How was your AK yield? did they branch a lot or??

Yield wise they did good imo. I got on average 3.5oz a plant. The one pheno that was my favorite had horrid yield, came in at 1oz on a 3ft plant. It could be a great strain for those who think in $$$ signs. Seems to always come up in those threads.

They baranched out well as well. They didn't seem to stretch much realy, usaly only doubling in size. I didn't find smell to be much of a issue either in any of my grows.

I will do another run eventualy. I prefer herb that gives me the racy high. Thats realy something ak47 never did for me. It is a good daytime smoke for sure though. But it did seem to make me tired like a indica, I also noticed I built up a tolerence to it decently fast, about a 4 month period.

 

[KnuckleHedd]

I bought my Ak47 in 2004 at the Flying Dutchmen shop in A'dam. I made a lot of F2's and are still using them. I've always gotten 80-90% females. About 60% Cherry pheno, 20% Indica pheno and the remainder the Sativa pheno. I only really like the Indica pheno and don't understand why most like the cherry. It's been a staple in my grow room every crop since. To get to the point....last year my grow buddy bought the current version. By comparison it's pretty crappy. Taste, aroma and appearance are all mediocre compared to what we're used to. And he only got 4 females from the 11 seeds. But, they are more uniform, if that helps. I recently made some F3's as my stock is getting low ....I used an Indica pheno female and a male that MIGHT be the same (could be the Cherry as they're hard to distinguish when small). We'll see how these turn out. I'm not real confident as , in the past, my F3's have had extreme variations. Time will tell. My buddy is hot to be a beta tester.

 

[Maijah]

I was recently given a cut of AK thats been the same for 10 years, flowers in 70 days, one of a kind smell/taste, sometimes it grows a little finiky but always produces top quality bud.

 

[Kcar]

To add (completely unfounded,gossipy) fuel to the fire....There's also a rumor in the air that Serious' Seeds and Reservoir may,at some point in the future,work together on something.
Reservoir could,in fact,currently be developing something special for Serious' on 'spec....one never knows....and I certainly didn't say anything.

Love to see it! Tiny letters is like huntin wabbits.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Yield wise they did good imo. I got on average 3.5oz a plant. The one pheno that was my favorite had horrid yield, came in at 1oz on a 3ft plant. It could be a great strain for those who think in $$$ signs. Seems to always come up in those threads.

They baranched out well as well. They didn't seem to stretch much realy, usaly only doubling in size. I didn't find smell to be much of a issue either in any of my grows.

I will do another run eventualy. I prefer herb that gives me the racy high. Thats realy something ak47 never did for me. It is a good daytime smoke for sure though. But it did seem to make me tired like a indica, I also noticed I built up a tolerence to it decently fast, about a 4 month period.

Thanks for the follow up. I will try to post some pics of my plants here later today and let me know if they resemble any of your phenos

I bought my Ak47 in 2004 at the Flying Dutchmen shop in A'dam. I made a lot of F2's and are still using them. I've always gotten 80-90% females. About 60% Cherry pheno, 20% Indica pheno and the remainder the Sativa pheno. I only really like the Indica pheno and don't understand why most like the cherry. It's been a staple in my grow room every crop since. To get to the point....last year my grow buddy bought the current version. By comparison it's pretty crappy. Taste, aroma and appearance are all mediocre compared to what we're used to. And he only got 4 females from the 11 seeds. But, they are more uniform, if that helps. I recently made some F3's as my stock is getting low ....I used an Indica pheno female and a male that MIGHT be the same (could be the Cherry as they're hard to distinguish when small). We'll see how these turn out. I'm not real confident as , in the past, my F3's have had extreme variations. Time will tell. My buddy is hot to be a beta tester.

Hmm, sorry to hear this. Great post though, EXACTLY what I was looking for, someone who'se grown 'em before AND grown em now. Again I'll get some pics and you can let me know how mine company (still in veg). Can you describe the bud you got from the recent grow? Just all around disappointing or?

I was recently given a cut of AK thats been the same for 10 years, flowers in 70 days, one of a kind smell/taste, sometimes it grows a little finiky but always produces top quality bud.

Thanks for posting . . . got any pics?

 

[BerndV]

Also, you guys need a new site, Flash based sites are bad for businesses for so many reasons, they're ineffective and outdated and bad for SEO and functionality. The Serious Site has numerous glitches in the FLash files . . . I emailed Simon about this about a month back, but you guys need something HTML based where the text can be indexed by search engines.

They also need to either get rid of their forum or update it. The one on their site is a complete joke. Not being a strain-of-the-month breeder is one thing, but you can only rest on your laurels for so long. Customers expect a useful medium for exchange of information in the 21st century.

 

[Claude]

They also need to either get rid of their forum or update it. The one on their site is a complete joke. Not being a strain-of-the-month breeder is one thing, but you can only rest on your laurels for so long. Customers expect a useful medium for exchange of information in the 21st century.

Hi Bern.,

What are you suggesting we should do.
And why you say our forum is out of date??

Respect
Claude

 

[BerndV]

Claude,

Nothing personal, but most of the site consists of outdated sticky threads. Also, the threads all read backwards i.e. from the most recent post to the oldest. This makes following a thread very unintuitive.

 

[Claude]

Claude,

Nothing personal, but most of the site consists of outdated sticky threads. Also, the threads all read backwards i.e. from the most recent post to the oldest. This makes following a thread very unintuitive.

Hi Bern.,

I see what you meen and this is a configuration from your part to have it the way you want.

If you go on the bottom of the thread page you will see that you can setup your page the way you want.

But I will try to make it standard.

Respect
Claude

 

[REZDOG]

Claude,
Simon desperately needs an infusion of 21st Century into his P1 Stock,and perhaps moving into the commercial "fast lane" and developing,say,a Kush-based hybrid or two wouldn't be a bad idea at all....?
I'll throw you a hybrid that I was considering developing as a Serious'/Reservoir Joint Project....

"Bubble Kush"
A combination of a particular P1 OG Kush Mom that I have in mind,and Simon's Bubblegum.
This hybrid would produce fat,chunky nugs,and the best would combine a hint of bubblegum's sweetness with a sharp,lemon-lime flavor from the Kush Mom in question.
Crystal-covered,"kush-y" goodness,with the happy addition of Bubblegum's added yielding,indica-dom profile.
The flower time would average 65 days,and I can tell you that something along these lines would undoubtedly be a real asset to your catalog.
Right now,Claude,Reservoir cannot produce nearly enough seeds to meet overwhelming worldwide demand. It's quite a problem to have, (dammit!) but that detail is being sorted as we speak.
It's because,Claude,Reservoir really has its' finger on the pulse of what today's modern marijuana grower really wants-and because Reservoir gives consistently remarkable results.
Serious',imo,could use an infusion of a bit of "magic"....and if Simon's interested in a bit more conversation in this regard,drop me a note here and I'll be in touch.



Cheers!

 

[mkinbuds]

Of the different breeder products I've had experience with, I would put Serious as one I thought was better because of the solid results I got, ease of cloning, etc. Had real bad luck with the Greenhouse products in terms of cloning, vigor, consistency, etc. (white widow, himalaya gold, el nino). The one plus has been the NL5xHaze Mist I got from them. Damn I love it, but the 13 weeks I flowered it was a long wait.

Back to original AK47 seed growth - I did not see stretch over double either, and most times it was under that. My plants were a little smaller, more like 2.5 feet so yield was prolly more like 1.5-2 oz per plant tho I never weighed it. And I was working on nailing down my indoor environment through the grows, so that impacted results.

I've also got some F2 seeds. I finished some in November that were very much a menthol flavor, like you ate an original Hall's cough drop. I'm guessing it was the indica heritage. Have you found a menthol pheno KnuckleHed? Just wondering

 

[mkinbuds]

how do I get my posts up here? Just kidding - adding some more cuz I need to get to that number where I can PM, somewhere I read there's a minimum number of posts before you can PM.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Back to original AK47 seed growth - I did not see stretch over double either, and most times it was under that. My plants were a little smaller, more like 2.5 feet so yield was prolly more like 1.5-2 oz per plant tho I never weighed it. And I was working on nailing down my indoor environment through the grows, so that impacted results.

I've also got some F2 seeds. I finished some in November that were very much a menthol flavor, like you ate an original Hall's cough drop. I'm guessing it was the indica heritage. Have you found a menthol pheno KnuckleHed? Just wondering

Interesting flavor. I'm glad to hear yours didn't stretch too much as I intend to veg these till they're pretty tall.

Hi Bern.,

What are you suggesting we should do.
And why you say our forum is out of date??

Respect
Claude

I know this wasn't directed to me, nor was it regarding your site, but if you guys maintain the Forum you should also maintain the site. Correct your HTML Page titles for starters, those are KEY with search engines.

May I ask why you guys had a full Flash site? So many disadvantages . . .