Is Nevilles Haze still the strongest haze?

[indifferent]

Probably the Haze Kiwi used was SSH, it would make sense as a good yielding very solid commercial oriented Hsativa to tame their NZ sativa. Then again I've heard that the Kiwi Seeds stuff is mostly old Dutch stuff renamed but not sure on that so don't quote me!

No gonna make you go there (at least not in public) but I'm disappointed as I was thinking of getting some of the No Mercy Mexican Haze cross. I met Cees a while back and was gonna ask him about it and some of his other stuff but he dribbled on me, I think he was a bit too drunk.

 

[Moppel]

I met Cees a while back and was gonna ask him about it and some of his other stuff but he dribbled on me, I think he was a bit too drunk.

isnt he always??

 

[indifferent]

Dunno, only met him once at the HTCC, I happened to find myself in a corner of the Melkweg canteen with Cees, KC Brains and Gerrit and a bunch of people I didn't know. I was chatting to Gerrit about the Zamal and Cees was a bit smashed, KC got annoyed at him but I think KC is usually annoyed at something! lol

The Dutch guys don't seem to turn up at events much these days, still see Gerrit at the 420 cup but not seen KC or Cees for years.

 

[Sativa_Grows]

i suggest you ignore sativa grows, he enjoys lurking and reminding everyone when they make a statement that doesn't meet his criteria of fact.

Bro, I make ONE COMMENT about how you continue to make your stories sound like fact without providing any evidence and you get all butt hurt. I will say to you in public what I said to you in private "you must provide evidence in order to proclaim something as fact" At this point you flew off the handle saying your statements ARE fact because you were there then you go on to claim you have no idea what facts I'm talking about and that I must have some sort of mental disorder...get a grip old timer.

 

[indifferent]

Actually, sativa grows makes a very valid point. Call me sceptical but I always need to see at least some evidence to start accepting a tale.

Can we try and keep this thread civil though please, we all did a nice job of turning it around from nasty to wonderful and hate to see it head south again.

 

[Cinderella99]

KC...What kind of haze was that, Indifferent?

Was that a "Brazilian Haze"?

 

[indifferent]

KC...What kind of haze was that, Indifferent?

Was that a "Brazilian Haze"?

Sorry I don't get that one, KC Brains the dude is Brazilian of course. I have done his Haze Special which is a Neville's Haze hybrid and was very varied but the haziest phenos were very potent, good stuff.

 

[Cinderella99]

Wasn't making a joke, Indifferent... I didn't realize that it was a Neville. Where did you see that?

There is something out there that is termed a "Brazilian Haze".

EDIT: Right On, Indifferent:

"KC BrainsHaze Special is on the top of KC Brains list. It's a stable mostly sativa cross between Nevil's Haze and KC 606. She took over the best qualities her famous parents could ever offer. A cannabis seed of Haze Special is ideal for indoor growing, but performs incredible well outside.
This marijuana variety is said to have the shortest flowering period among all known sativa strains, it takes only from 12 to 14 weeks. As KC Brains specialists make sure their seeds are hand selected, almost 80% of germination is always guaranteed.
Haze Special produces typically sativa looking plants, tall (up to 2.5 m outside) and thin, with narrow leaves and light shade of green. Indoor varieties remain petite and won’t grow taller than 130 cm. Though it’s said that it takes longer for sativas to mature, this strain seeds and buds almost instantly. Outside harvest can start at the end of September and be carried out till November with as much as up to 800 gr. of dried product per plant; indoor yield is as high as 350 gr. per plant."

Coulda sworn that there was a time about 10 years ago where nobody could figure out where KC's haze came from.

 

[indifferent]

I knew you weren't joking I just didn't get the question!

Not heard of a Brazilian Haze, sorry.

KC worked at Positronics so I expect a lot of his genes stem from there.

 

[Raco]

I read that shantibaba said that the NH when inbred leans more towards the NL side of things

 

[Cinderella99]

That makes sense since the NL used was surely more stable (truer breeding) than the haze. Thanks, Raco!

 

[indifferent]

I read that shantibaba said that the NH when inbred leans more towards the NL side of things

With large enough populations and careful selection you should be able to isolate whichever traits you want from the line. Probably after a couple of gens the NL influence could be minimalised, then it's a case of stabilising for the Haze traits you most desire.

Not an easy job, would take years in a nice big glasshouse and not many have those kinds of resources. If I did I wouldn't waste my time unraveling other people's work I'd fill it with the best landrace sats I could find and breed my own hybrid.

 

[happyhi]

With large enough populations and careful selection you should be able to isolate whichever traits you want from the line. Probably after a couple of gens the NL influence could be minimalised, then it's a case of stabilising for the Haze traits you most desire.

Not an easy job, would take years in a nice big glasshouse and not many have those kinds of resources. If I did I wouldn't waste my time unraveling other people's work I'd fill it with the best landrace sats I could find and breed my own hybrid.

how many plants do you reckon you would need to feel like you had the quantity needed for selection?
would you settle on a superior male and use it in each succeeding

what would your approach be to achieving your goal? .

to think that a friend
of mine 40 years ago came up with a name that went on to
become an obsession. Is my statement a fact? How would i prove it? We didn't think about copywriting the name, but one of the partners did copy write the poster in '75, i guess that's evidence
that we were using the name long before most of your remarkable history lesson.

question, do you think that the breeding over the last couple of decades concentrated solely on shorting the flower time and increasing the couch lock, knock down effect to the detriment of a superior effect gained from plants that are not as hybridized.
In essence is the length of flower responsible for the effect we are all talking about, or have you found it in plants that mature in 8 weeks for instance?
Does the hybridization, by combining sat, indica and ruderalis traits produce an effect that borrows from all to the detriment of
each? Another words, is the effect from pure sat and pure indica
superior? Sorry for all the questions, but these are some of my observations in terms of the effect from very potent hi breds.
they tend to knock me out instead of get me high.

i ordered some of the seeds your suggested nh from mns, hope to find it in there. thanks for all your great info.
peace/hh

didn't mean to turn the thread negative just felt like each time the guy said something it was to criticize someone else.
I don't know how much more of a fact something can be then
having done it.
peace/hh

my apologies to sativa grows, i was harsh, but my butt's not hurt.

 

[indifferent]

I don't know what size population would be needed until I grew a fair number to see what variation existed and what proportions of plants exhibit different traits, what phenotypes exist. I would start with 500 or 1000, probably do 500 to begin with and do subsequent batches of 500 until I felt I'd explored the variance fully.

I would do any 1x1 crosses as that leads to bottlenecking, I'd use multiple males and females which is one reason why large number are needed.

 

[Dalaihempy]

I read that shantibaba said that the NH when inbred leans more towards the NL side of things

roco well i made a shit load of nevilles haze f2s pass them on to friends and gave most to friends uncle and grow partner who is in his 70s both old growers and well 5 years later of selection and inbreeding not only are they not expressing nl they wont stop flowering out doors but grow huge and viney.

These guys grow south american sativas and have grown lots of lines threw the years as you could imagen what i have been told there now x the nevilles haze to faster lines in the hope they can infact control them and get them flowering a lot faster.

I think if you were to select and inbreed faster nl expresive nevilles haze if you found any yep you would start to head the way of the nl side but in all honesty if you have not grown nevilles haze you will not know what a NH acts like no way is it a controluble sativa line.

here is a few more 50% haze mangohaze f2s i made think 3 or 4 weeks veg from seed they have a lot more stretching and growing to do before they stop growing to and one stands at close to 6 ft they other well im thinking 7 or 8 ft but at say almost 6 ft taken side ways pictures dont lie people do fellas.

Before any one says there not expresing to much haze these plants are think in week 3 of flower or 4 and are just about to sex males have females 1 only so far.

I will add some Nevilles haze pics soon to show you lot how controluble NOT nevilles haze is to.

 

[indifferent]

I wonder how those Nevs hazes would grow if ya added some cool white fluoro tubes vertically to the sides, say two 6 foot 100watters on each wall. The blue spectrum would probably make a big difference in their structure and expression, make em grow more compact and would probably increase the cerebral edge as the blue light also stimulates terpenoid production.

I have never seen a NH go more than 15 weeks and while they do stretch a lot, I've never seen one that I couldn't contain with appropriate bending, tying and pinching. On the other hand, I've grown many pure equatorial sativas that went 22-24 weeks and no matter how they were tied and bent still outgrew the space.

That 25% NL makes all the difference. Neville arrived at the ideal compromise between retaining the Haze's special qualities but introducing enough 'domestication' to make it just and so productive enough some people to grow. If you add any more indica, you can retain the Haze tastes but not hte outer realms of the spaciness of the high, it becomes more grounded, like SSH.

I suppose NH represents as far towards the Haze end of the spectrum as they could take the line without making it too extreme for indoor growers and SSH represents as far towards the indica end of the spectrum as they could go without losing too much of the Haze quality.

 

[buddah]

Amnesia was originally from Zwiep at Hy-Pro Seeds


Hope this helps...

Moppel and Mr HAze cleared it up in another thread!! the Amnesia cut(ibo) is a SSH pheno !!!!
so i guess the Hy-Pro, too or its a xx to the ibo cut because its more indica!!! but may Moppel or Mr Haze can help again

 

[mr.haze420]

the bio ibo cut is the hy-pro cut. they gave it out and won many cups at the highlife events. i know hy-pro had a prob one year and a male got into the room and there were alot of seeds. the year they brought it to me they called it amnesia, as soon as i smoked it i knew it was a ssh. when i asked where they got it, they said they found a seed in some ssh buds they got from the gh.

 

[Moppel]

Moppel and Mr HAze cleared it up in another thread!! the Amnesia cut(ibo) is a SSH pheno !!!!
so i guess the Hy-Pro, too or its a xx to the ibo cut because its more indica!!! but may Moppel or Mr Haze can help again

yup, thought that was old news already.

Maybe MrHaze can tell us something more about nevilles stuff...

 

[Locoporro]

Hi All

If you want more informations about the amnesia haze , go on this link

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=144975

I think Moppel and Mr Haze420 said everything they knew about Amnesia/SSH in this thread ...

I have never seen a NH go more than 15 weeks

I would love to see some pics of Neville "24" and Neville "18" in this thread from someone but i dont see him comin' , it's not even normal with neville haze in the title ....

Please BD

Best Vibes to All