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The best hps bulb, bulbs competition.

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Wariat

I would like to share with you something that I discovered in my research.

Basically, im noth a mathematician, so instead of equations, it will be based on logical thinking and observations. If some sick mind whant to refute what i write here, i will be even more happy because i will learn something new :)

Theoretically, the only thing that can limit my crop size, is power of used lights. So what is logical, I decided to find the best of the best.


When I read all the shit about PAR, lux and lumens, I started to compare 600W hps bulbs.

It was some serious shock.... how stupid I was, when I thougt than more lumens means more yield etc.

Light producing companies are adding yellow spectrum because its more visible for human eye, and mark bulb with SUPER HIGH LUMEN shit !!! Dont be fool, this is why lumens mean nothing !!!

In support of this, I will show you comparison of spectral color distribution by different bulb on the market.

This is graphical analysis of PAR, which show you which ranges of light wavelenghts are most important for horticultural.

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As you can see, most important light is from range of 400 to 530 nm, and from 620 to 720 nm.


Red light is desirable for flowering stage, because it makes our buds bigger and tighter, and blue light is most important for vegetative (growing) stage. I would not evaluete here whether the blue spectrum is needed for flovering too, because as I say im not a scientific, but when i revieve some grow diares, it was clear to see, that more blue spectrum light such as CMH, resulted in two things:

~ Healthier looking plants

~ Leaffy, small and lightly packed buds.


As the first thing is desirable, second not really...

So now, when you can compare yourself utility of different bulbs,

:headbangeLET THE SHOW BEGIN :headbange

I decided to compare 4 most popular 600W hps bulb. At the begining there were five, but due to transparency of diagram, i decided to reject Philips SON-T PIA greenpower, because it fared miserably in relation to other.


Do you have any equipment to measure the results or are you just presenting manufactures graphs and observed experiences?

No i haven't. I did this on the basis of manufactures graphs. I read alot about wrong scale on this graphs, etc.

But when you look at them precisely, there are acouple similaritys in each one.

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So I increased size of this graps by 1100 %, analyzed it, and i fits it all into one whole.

Will you be transforming the Y-axis of some of the graphs so that you can make the comparisons? I think radiant power is the best units to use. The % used on some graphs is misleading. I have tried a similar approach but I was not successful in finding the appropriate values. Then again, the last time I treid was several years ago. Maybe some has done it.
NoS


As I say eariler, im not a mathematics, so i taked couple of reference points in this graph's, which apear to be at the same level in each spectrum graph, and in relation to that, i make this chart.
I hope its
good enough to help somebody.






Basic spectrum graphs :
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● Philips Master Son-T Pia Plus ●
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● HORTILUX SUPER HPS EN ●

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Osram Plantastar

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● SUNMASTER SuperHPS Deluxe ●

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►►► BULBS SPECTRUM DIAGRAM ◄◄◄


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Winner is EYE Hortilux Super HPS

It has a lower power spectrum in range of 570 - 590nm, but lock how much power is in range of 630 - 690 nm and in range of 400 - 500nm. I believe now, that this bulb have HIGHEST PAR level on the market.


If you dont want blue spectrum in flower, then the best choice is Philips son-t pia plus, but it still has less power in red spectrum.


Edited


In order to Snagglepeus post, i compare winner of first competition, with his favourite wich is :
USHIO Hi-Lux GRO SUPER High Pressure Sodium

And im glad to say, that we have neaw lider :biggrin:

Basic spectrum graph :
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►►► BULBS SPECTRUM DIAGRAM ◄◄◄


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As you can see, ushio has less power in range of 625 - 660nm, but have more power in range of 660 - 720nm which is more PAR range.

Also, ushio has much more power in range of 450 - 500nm range.

:hotbounce So USHIO HI-LUX Super HPS is definitely our new leader :hotbounce


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I am sure that many people accuse this test lack of precision, but if you say that, than buy some spectroradiometer, and show us more accurate details.

So far there was no subjective comparison of hps bulbs on icmag. Evereybody said, what they fell, or what they observed, but i think that horticulture is based on so many factors, then somethimes small change in enviroment, may cause serious changes in yield/potency.

In sum, i feel that it helped to me in choosing what bulb to buy, and im really hope, that this will help you to.


If you want, to compare any other bulb to this what ive done, post spectrum graph in this thread, and I will upgrade this diagram.


:wave: Good luck and be safe :wave:

 

NugsofScienceII

New member
Interesting but

Interesting but

Will you be transforming the Y-axis of some of the graphs so that you can make the comparisons? I think radiant power is the best units to use. The % used on some graphs is misleading. I have tried a similar approach but I was not successful in finding the appropriate values. Then again, the last time I treid was several years ago. Maybe some has done it. The fish people are very good at testing bulbs --might find some useful data from them. Good luck in your endeavor!
NoS
 

Cutty

Member
He most likely means Reefers. Marine aquarium freaks. They do do a lot of bulb testing, bulb/ballast combo testing. Like this guy TESTS he matches up all different wattages and makes of bulbs and measures spectrum, PAR, ect.

BUT, I don't think that will be too beneficial in our hobby as Reefers use anywhere from 10,000K to 20,000K bulbs and rarely going over 400watts, eg. I have 2 x 250w MH (14,000K) bulbs over my 110.
So many PARs that they have fried a few corals (through 31 inches of water) but I am sure would stink for growing plants.

I am very interested in the development of your post. I have studied lights in the past myself and am currently using Sunmaster Super HPS 1K's with 358 PAR. I would like to know how this one is ranking now.

Do you have any equipment to measure the results or are you just presenting manufactures graphs and observed experiences?
 

whodair

Active member
Veteran
430w hps with added blue spectrum

430w hps with added blue spectrum

my 600w digi lumatek w hortilux bulb sits on the shelf, unplugged collecting dust.

it could not produce the beautiful resinous buds that my 430w magnetic ballast could. i run 430 hortilux, philips son agro, or agrosun bulbs.

perhaps the 600 put out more heat which took away from resin production. the temps in the room very still very moderate though.

the mighty 430 watt was the first super hps with added blue spectrum. it is a bit more of a niche, or boutique product. the bulbs are a little pricier, and not as readily available. but worth the added cost and effort in the end.
 

mpd

Lammen Gorthaur
Veteran
I think if you want to do the spectral comparisons, then you have to look at the ceramic metal halides and conversion lamps. If we are going to go to the output in the A & B range arguments then it would not be fair without a comparison to LEDs.

Just sayin...
 
W

Wariat

Agromax 600 with 95,000 lumens is what I rock

Sory bro, but for me lumens mean shit. Show me spectral analyzes of this bulb :)

Simply example.... Sonlight super duper extra 600W hps, 100.000 lumens

But .... here is spectrum of this bulb.

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As you can see, its normal hps with added yellow spectrum to rise lumens.

i run 430 hortilux

yea, as you can see here it has the same spectrum as 400, 600 or 1000W ;)

it could not produce the beautiful resinous buds that my 430w magnetic ballast could
Are you suggesting, that magnetic ballast can produce more lumen from bulb, than electronic balast ?? I dont think so, but maybe Im wrong ....

philips son agro

philips son agro sucks, its worse than Son-t pia greenpower, and greenpower was not good enough to take a place in my comparison.

or agrosun bulbs.

Here you have :

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W

Wariat

I think if you want to do the spectral comparisons, then you have to look at the ceramic metal halides and conversion lamps.

Yeah i agree, CMH are superior for veg, but it produce more leafier, less densier buds, as you can see even here on ICMAG in grow diaries.

All thing is about geting our plants as most red spectrum light as possible in flowering stage.


If we are going to go to the output in the A & B range arguments then it would not be fair without a comparison to LEDs.

I saw some side by side here on icmag, led vs hps, and the hps was a winner ;)

nice work. thanks for posting this.

No problem man. I did it mostly for myself, and what's the problem to post it here. We must share our knowledge.




Sorry for double posting, this quoting is so problematic...
 

wdcf

Active member
Sory bro, but for me lumens mean shit. Show me spectral analyzes of this bulb :)

Simply example.... Sonlight super duper extra 600W hps, 100.000 lumens


.... Lumens apparently dont mean shit to you, because according to your recent posts your running a 150 and 70 Watt
 
W

Wariat

.... Lumens apparently dont mean shit to you, because according to your recent posts your running a 150 and 70 Watt


I dont understand, can you explain me this ?? And btw what does this have to this thread ??

And besides, yes im using 70w in my bathroom in my clinker.. Im not growing pot. Im just a visionary, and i believe than i can move to some more smoker-friendly country soon.

Here where I live, law is sick. You can go to jail for two years for heaving 0.1G

More - you can go for two years to jail even for heaving used pipe.....

Im just simple reading, thinking and planing, waiting for this beautifull day when i can grow my own pot.
 

Snagglepuss

even
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Can we find a spectral anaylasis for the ushio grow lux bulbs,for the comparison charts?.im trying to find one ...Cutty your funny :)
 

Snagglepuss

even
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Ok here's the chart for the ushio super hps ,that im rocking.Is their any question as to which wins the competition?





The second chart is from their new product ,a combo bulb with mh and hps in 1 bulb.I gotta try that lamp sometime...
 
W

Wariat

Can we find a spectral anaylasis for the ushio grow lux bulbs,for the comparison charts?.im trying to find one ..

Yeah i found their spectrum graph, its amazing man.....

I can say now, then we have new leader. 15 minut, and i will post the diagram compaire.
 

gators7

Member
when theres a guy like rez who openly states that a regular lowes hps bulb works as good as the expensive hortilux then its hard not to just buy the 20 dollar bulbs. this is my first run using a regular bulb and the plants look great. i plan on just gettin a new bulb every 2-3 months, still cheaper

not following him would be like not taking advice from jordan on how to dunk.
 
W

Wariat

when theres a guy like rez who openly states that a regular lowes hps bulb works as good as the expensive hortilux then its hard not to just buy the 20 dollar bulbs. this is my first run using a regular bulb and the plants look great. i plan on just gettin a new bulb every 2-3 months, still cheaper

not following him would be like not taking advice from jordan on how to dunk.

Yes, but you must remember, than some ppl may can run only limited amount of WATTS, and this will help alot in this case. Besides, when you can boost your yield by even 10G with the best bulb that you can buy, then it draws itself costs back, and you can getting new bulb every grow, with satisfaction that you are using something really god :D I for example, like perfection :)

And one more thing. Chosing the best bulb available, can help newbies reach that magic ratio 1g/w.

The second chart is from their new product ,a combo bulb with mh and hps in 1 bulb.I gotta try that lamp sometime...


Yes its good indeed, but i believe, than compairing bulb with mh arc tube, may be not really accurate.
 

whodair

Active member
Veteran
hello,

i wasnt suggesting a magnetic ballast is superior in any way. what i meant is there is no 430w digital ballast so i remain loyal to my magnetic.

and i really dont think spectral charts prove much anyway. i tried both 600 and 430 in my environment with 430 being far superior results. whether temperature or spectrum related i cant be too sure...


Sory bro, but for me lumens mean shit. Show me spectral analyzes of this bulb :)

Simply example.... Sonlight super duper extra 600W hps, 100.000 lumens

But .... here is spectrum of this bulb.

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As you can see, its normal hps with added yellow spectrum to rise lumens.



yea, as you can see here it has the same spectrum as 400, 600 or 1000W ;)

Are you suggesting, that magnetic ballast can produce more lumen from bulb, than electronic balast ?? I dont think so, but maybe Im wrong ....



philips son agro sucks, its worse than Son-t pia greenpower, and greenpower was not good enough to take a place in my comparison.



Here you have :

redsodium.png
 

Uncle Remus

Member
I know this thread says HPS bulb, but IMO if your using magnetic ballast's, and your running 400w and under, than the CMH is THE best bulb, PERIOD...Simple MH conversion bulb that works on any magnetic HPS ballast...Same spectrum as the Hortilux Blue Halide (best bulb there is IMO) at about 1/2 the price

I've tried just about all the others and the CMH just KICKS THEIR ASSES hands down!!!

DL'ed this, since everyone's throwin down graphs and all...Lotsa blue to keep things bushy and somewhat short, with plenty red for flowering...BAM there it is

 

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