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[j-fly]

Its unfair to expect dispensaries to grow their own. Can you imagine growing in a dispensary in LA right now. There is no way you are sleeping at night.

Allot of people have this illusion that these patient recs dispensaries have on file can shield them on having this legal grow. Not only is this completely fantasy. It is strait up unethical. As a grower you know god damn well to grow commercially, its almost impossible to stay under 99 plants. And really? using patients recs with out there permission? Thats bad karma.

Every once in a while we get these vendors that try to sleeze there way into accessing our patient files. Asking us to go partner with them if we give them access to our files. If im working that day. Its either going to be your last day every stepping foot inside our place or the conversation will never be brought up again.


Im flattered at people recommending me be that marijuana antique show dude on bbc. But no thanks. A monkey on roller skates working at a LA dispensary could do that job man. I guess im just commenting on these out of towners that want to head "cali for nee way". Expecting to unload there decent buds for exaggerated price.


and ill die before I become this dude..

Its not unfair at all to expect dispensaries to grow their own, plenty in colorado do. I think its unfair to for dispensaries to pretend to be in the medical business and charge patients $60 an eighth and $20 a gram. Why do you need to stay under 99 plants is you have 100 patients? Most of these so called "dispensaries" are just legal drug dealers that could care less about helping their patients. Most are just in it for the profit, and have no clue about how to grow good medicine. I stay away from the dispensaries that only buy from outside sources and dont grow any of there own.

 

[pugnacious]

Its not unfair at all to expect dispensaries to grow their own, plenty in colorado do. I think its unfair to for dispensaries to pretend to be in the medical business and charge patients $60 an eighth and $20 a gram. Why do you need to stay under 99 plants is you have 100 patients? Most of these so called "dispensaries" are just legal drug dealers that could care less about helping their patients. Most are just in it for the profit, and have no clue about how to grow good medicine. I stay away from the dispensaries that only buy from outside sources and dont grow any of there own.

You really need to study the federal cases that have been played out in california. Keep in mind (no offense), that colorodo compared to california is like comparing a pre teen to a single sperm in some guys nut sack. You guys are not even infants. Barely starting out in this.

Do you know the federal sentencing guidelines for growing marijuana? Do you know the only reason why there is medical marijuana is because its a state right. Once you fuck around with federal guidelines, you are messing with the big dogs. You think they give a shit about patients and plant numbers? Feds dont give a shit there black and white. You violate the plant numbers there coming after you. They say 10 years. Your doing 10 years. Theres no early release programs. Plain and simply. Feds do not fuck around. Only someone that hasnt seen this shit play out wouldnt know this.

Wait and see your dispensaries getting there doors kick down and there staff raided.

Your no different then stuck up high moral idealistic assholes like blue dot. You dont have any concept of supply and demand and very basic knowledge of economics. You want things your idealistic way but offer no real solution but to cry.

The only real way to bring down the price is to flood the shit out of the market until it crashes. Labeling majority of the D's exploitative simply because they dont follow your bullshit high moral guidelines is pretty retarded. Especially when its pretty obvious that you dont have any clue on what you are talking about.

Like I said bro. Sperm in a nut sack.

 

[707Corridor]

Just "flooding" the market will not drive the price down.

I see a lot of people throwing around "supply and demand". This is not the only factor in price. There is a thing called price elasticity. Or simply put how much are you WILLING to pay for something. Also, all cannabis is not the same commodity.

A+ medicine is a different commodity than A- medicine. Same with outdoor/indoor, both are different commodities. Each commodity has variables the determine their price.

The only true way to bring down prices...legalization or someone to "flood" the market with A++ product.

Also I wonder how many times someone told j-fly that the medicine he bought was grown at said dispensary...when it really wasn't.

 

[pugnacious]

I really don't mean to sound like a dick either

 

[j-fly]

You really need to study the federal cases that have been played out in california. Keep in mind (no offense), that colorodo compared to california is like comparing a pre teen to a single sperm in some guys nut sack. You guys are not even infants. Barely starting out in this.

Do you know the federal sentencing guidelines for growing marijuana? Do you know the only reason why there is medical marijuana is because its a state right. Once you fuck around with federal guidelines, you are messing with the big dogs. You think they give a shit about patients and plant numbers? Feds dont give a shit there black and white. You violate the plant numbers there coming after you. They say 10 years. Your doing 10 years. Theres no early release programs. Plain and simply. Feds do not fuck around. Only someone that hasnt seen this shit play out wouldnt know this.

Wait and see your dispensaries getting there doors kick down and there staff raided.

Your no different then stuck up high moral idealistic assholes like blue dot. You dont have any concept of supply and demand and very basic knowledge of economics. You want things your idealistic way but offer no real solution but to cry.

The only real way to bring down the price is to flood the shit out of the market until it crashes. Labeling majority of the D's exploitative simply because they dont follow your bullshit high moral guidelines is pretty retarded. Especially when its pretty obvious that you dont have any clue on what you are talking about.

Like I said bro. Sperm in a nut sack.

If you are scared of the feds you should get into a different business. The feds said as long as you are following state laws, then they wont prosecute. There have already been houses with hundreds of plants that have been found in Colorado and left alone. There are lots of ways around the 99 plants. One dispensary owner i know has enough patients to grow 400 plants, so he splits it into 4 or 5 different warehouses. You can talk all the shit you want, but im not paying $60 for an eighth of anything.

Just because Cali has had dispensaries longer dont mean that people in colorado are dumb enough to pay $75 an eighth. I know about supply and demand, i have been running my own business for 5 years. I know if you ripp off your customers, and they can find a cheaper product somewhere else, you will lose them. My solution is to not buy weed from dispensaries with high prices.

You are right about Colorado just starting. Lets see how many of these dispensaries with high prices and average medicine go out of business in the next year.

 

[HappyDog]

The feds have backed off only temporarily, When there is another change in the white house all of the D's will be spending that extra 15- 20 bucks per 8th on attorneys and relocating fees.

You should thank them for risking there savings and investments to further the MJ & MMJ cause.

And if you still think they are evil risk your own capital and show 'em how to do it. Just remember we as customers will always want top shelf, plenty of selection, and consistent on demand service for the absolute rock bottom price. And don't you dare be out of my favorite bud or I'll have to give my dollars to someone else. (hypothetically of course)

The almighty dollar has no loyalty or sympathy.

 

[pugnacious]

When I get home from work I'll post up some links to the federal cases I'm speakin about. But I honestly don't see the point in responding to this new booty that doesn't kno WTF he's talking about

 

[johnnyla]

Any quality dispensary would be growing their own medicine, which would ensure that they dont have to overcharge their patients. No medical marijuana patient should pay even $60.

ZING!!!!!!!

 

[johnnyla]

Its unfair to expect dispensaries to grow their own. Can you imagine growing in a dispensary in LA right now. There is no way you are sleeping at night.

Allot of people have this illusion that these patient recs dispensaries have on file can shield them on having this legal grow. Not only is this completely fantasy. It is strait up unethical. As a grower you know god damn well to grow commercially, its almost impossible to stay under 99 plants. And really? using patients recs with out there permission? Thats bad karma.

Every once in a while we get these vendors that try to sleeze there way into accessing our patient files. Asking us to go partner with them if we give them access to our files. If im working that day. Its either going to be your last day every stepping foot inside our place or the conversation will never be brought up again.


Im flattered at people recommending me be that marijuana antique show dude on bbc. But no thanks. A monkey on roller skates working at a LA dispensary could do that job man. I guess im just commenting on these out of towners that want to head "cali for nee way". Expecting to unload there decent buds for exaggerated price.


and ill die before I become this dude..

I agree it would be a pain in the ass but that is the way it should be done. That's the new model in my opinion.

The only reason there are 1/8ths that cost 50 or 60 is because most D's don't grow their own.

It wouldn't be that hard to rent a seperate spot to grow, cut out all the "vendors" and make as much money as you are now.

I'm just a passive observer, and 3 year patient who spent a lot of dough on meds in LA and have been to A LOT of D's over the years.

I think it should be totally legal and can only hope once it is legal next year or 2011, it will be regulated like bars. even some on LAs city council want this. Then it's time to open up my hash bar.

 

[johnnyla]

Good idea in theory... but there is no way a high volume dispensary could possibly grow enough to sell multiple pounds every day, especially if they want to keep a wide variety.

cut down your membership, cut out the vendors, grow your own product pass the cost on to the patients.


do the math how many gardens of what size for x amount of patients.

you can make the same amount of coin, work less, work smarter, and control the product. too bad most D owners couldn't grow a spindly 1/8th plant to save their lives.

 

[johnnyla]

Man you are living in some type of fantasy. Company retreats? Houses in malibu?

I understand and have personally dealt with shady Ds. But lets be real. Company retreats?

You got the shady ones and then you have the real ones. And then you have the in betweens.

Your product speaks for it self. If your shit is really primo top shelf. Then you should not have any problem negotiating your price to above 4k. Anything more then that then your product better really fucking stand out.

Ive delt with and even work with growers that grow really good bud. And you know what? Allot of these guys are in fucking denial and have there heads shoved up so far up there ass its not even funny. I mean they really think there bud, which is pretty good is on the same level of the top notch shit. And there not trying to hear anything else.

When in reality its not worth more then 3-3500 max. And when you tell them that, they shake there heads and get offended. They leave. Come back in a few hours or next day and I end up buying it cheaper.

And im the bad guy? You see those 1/8ths getting sold for 70 and you automatically think its the Ds fault? Do I really have to break everything down? Is there really a point? If you see 1/8ths listed at 70. Then theres a good chance the D bought that lb for well over 4k. You do the math.

If you really knew the drama, stress, and expenses to run a small sized dispensary you would think different. I would know because I was the biggest hater on D's selling 1/8ths for 75. Now I dont mind it as much. But I can only speak for who I associate with. Because like I said, Ive delth with the shadiest of shady. From the BAY to LA. So your ill feelings towards Dispensaries are understood by me.

right most Dispensary directors are living in Watts, right bro?

 

[johnnyla]

I saw it mentioned earlier here i believe, but there should be a dispensary bud appraisal thread. I know you can get different prices in different parts of town or another shop, but it would be nice to inform people a bit and let them know what kind of quality and product they need to have before it can command top shelf prices and be worth it for a dispensary to buy.

Like pugnacious said....

oh that is coming buddy. and a rating system for D's.

it will put weedtracker out of business.

 

[pugnacious]

right most Dispensary directors are living in Watts, right bro?

Well im guessing that you probably dealt with those shady Armenian dispensaries so i would say glendale.


but ok.

Lets just agree to disagree bro.

 

[johnnyla]

Well im guessing that you probably dealt with those shady Armenian dispensaries so i would say glendale.


but ok.

Lets just agree to disagree bro.

agreed. and i don't think everyone is shady. i've met a lot of really nice kind hearted people. i just think the current structures and business models don't work, and would be interested in your response to some of my other comments in regards to the evolution of the D's or Collectives or whatever we are supposed to call them today. I love good herb. I think it's a great thing. I also like American farmers and patients and think that a lot of collectives cut those groups out of the equation by lowballing growers without passing the cost on to the patient.

Maybe you can be the first one to come up with the new model in LA.

 

[zenoonez]

Make it a for profit business model and let the consumer decide. Oh and legalize it federally.

 

[Pythagllio]

You know I guess in total I think non-profit only would work. Only because there are enough OCD (Obsessively Cannabinally Deranged) people that want nothing more than to have a nice secure job surrounded by growing cannabis plants. I don't covet fast cars, money or women, or the trappings of wealth. I've done all the other drugs I want to do, and sown my wild oats. I want a nice apartment in a decent neighborhood and no yard work, a reliable car that gets me from here to there, a nice entertainment system for couchlock days, and more cannabis plants than I know what to do with. I used to think myself unique, but my observations of posters on OG, here, and some other like sites has convinced me that while we're not a dime a dozen, there are lots of people with OCD.

The fear of profit making drug dealers is too ensconced in the communal psyche to do a for profit model without significant controversy. We see it's ingrained even in a significant percentage of our population. If there's problems convincing them that for profit cannabis distribution is ok, what are the odds of convincing those who don't have the insight of insiders? I believe the etiology of this fear is the meme that has drug dealers responsible for the actions of their customers, IE that if they didn't exist, no-one would get high. Simply absurd thinking, but it absolves their loved ones for their responsibility in whatever tragedies have befallen them due to their use of drugs. God knows it's got to be somebody's fault Junior is strung out on (fill in the blank). Absurd, but very real and it's going to be a long time before this thinking disappears from the population.

Frankly hoping to start the distribution chain off on the right foot in DC. In a lot of ways the culture of greed in CA was there from the start. The canvas in DC is a blank slate. There's no established grow culture in the area like there was in NorCal in 1996, no Dennis Peron running an illegal D that looks like a throwback to a '60s headshop. Sure, I'm not naive, I know that there's an established distribution chain. I got a case of total sticker shock when I found out the local prices just recently. If my intelligence is true, I fully expect if a CA style D were opened in the District that prices will be starting at over $100 eighth, and that makes even my blood boil. But it speaks to severe lack of supply and the fact of the matter is that there's going to be a severe increase in demand here in the near future.

Anyway, I've waxed philosophical too much. I'm really excited to be here in DC, am likely overmedicated, and tonight I feel like I can actually make a difference, which was never a feeling I had in CA. Oh well, I'm sure the machine will chew me up and spit me out, but I'm going to try anyway. Hmm, maybe I'll drive down to PA Ave, ring the bell, and see if Barry needs some nerve medicine. He's been looking stressed lately to me.

 

[roughnice420]

nice post

 

[j-fly]

When I get home from work I'll post up some links to the federal cases I'm speakin about. But I honestly don't see the point in responding to this new booty that doesn't kno WTF he's talking about

No need to respond. YOu think i dont know what i am talking about, but i know that im not gonna pay $60 an eighth, and i would not ever try to charge someone that much, especially if i was calling that person my patient. If you want to defend inflated dispensary prices, by saying its because the feds are busting people with over 99 plants, thats fine. I know lots of caregivers in Colorado that have over 99 plants. The only reason people are charging high prices, is because they are trying to make as much money as they can. Most people around Colorado are starting to grow their own, which is gonna cut out most dispensaries, especially when its only $45 an eighth on the black market .

 

[johnnyla]

nice post Pyth. good luck in DC mayne.

the funny thing is that the D's could make as much money if they grew their own shit. they just never structured properly. they need seperate gardens, garden master, and laborers on the payroll and then Zing!!! This way you cut out the "brokers" and "vendors" and have complete control over the medicine and Totally transparent. I believe this could be done and is more in spirit of Prop 215.

 

[Blue Dot]

the funny thing is that the D's could make as much money if they grew their own shit. they just never structured properly. they need seperate gardens, garden master, and laborers on the payroll and then Zing!!! This way you cut out the "brokers" and "vendors" and have complete control over the medicine and Totally transparent. I believe this could be done and is more in spirit of Prop 215.

Nope, it's cheaper to farm it out and pay for the lowest bidder.

Why do you think america farmed all it's jobs out? It's just cheaper to pay for the final product then to have people work in the states and be on workermen comp, unemployment, etc.

The D's exploit the growers overhead and the growers risk of forfeiture but don't compensate them back because they don't have to due to competetion.

momma always said, don't put all your eggs in one basket.