Jury in - john wilson NOT GUILTY on first degree felony

[Blue Dot]

As mentioned in a post earlier some of us cause a stench of swine and in that case EXCISING the abscess is better than bickering.

Peace,

If you disagree with me then say so. Stuping to that kind of bull is uncalled for.

You can't handle that someone disagrees with you?

What, we all have to agree on everything all the time?

 

[has_some_sinse]

Who cares about medicinal or recreational? Its my right, pursuing happiness, which is covered in the US constitution.
You have to play the game, for now anyway. The Doctors know how benign it is, and if I have to call Haze my "nerve tonic" I will, Its something that improves my life profoundly. I live a better life with this organic haze.
During alcohol prohibition is the US, doctor prescribed Medical Alcohol, to suppress cough and nerve tonic.

 

[Blue Dot]

During alcohol prohibition is the US, doctor prescribed Medical Alcohol, to suppress cough and nerve tonic.

I agree. I myself use alcohol to calm my anxiety and it works great.

But do you think ALL alcohol use is medical?

That was my point, alcohol is legal today but it's not for medical reasons because most people don't view it as medical.

So if everyone wants legal pot then lets strive for that but (just as in the prohibition days) everyone should be aware that the medical excuse is just a ruse.

 

[Hydrosun]

If you disagree with me then say so. Stuping to that kind of bull is uncalled for.

You can't handle that someone disagrees with you?

What, we all have to agree on everything all the time?

Are you kidding me. I've called you an Ass Clown, pointed out your hypocracies, debunked your pointless propaganda, called you out for not debating with me, do you really think I'd be happy if you did agree with me? I'd be happy if you weren't here or your pointless hate never appeared on this board but what the thick bluedot really thinks doesn't mean shit to me.

Peace,

 

[Cindiwaa]

med⋅i⋅cine  /ˈmɛdəsɪn or, especially Brit., ˈmɛdsən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [med-uh-sin or, especially Brit., med-suhn] Show IPA noun, verb, -cined, -cin⋅ing.
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–noun 1. any substance or substances used in treating disease or illness; medicament; remedy.
2. the art or science of restoring or preserving health or due physical condition, as by means of drugs, surgical operations or appliances, or manipulations: often divided into medicine proper, surgery, and obstetrics.
3. the art or science of treating disease with drugs or curative substances, as distinguished from surgery and obstetrics.
4. the medical profession.
5. (among North American Indians) any object or practice regarded as having magical powers

I would say it is allways a Medicine, just my opinion thought

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

if its not hurting people and causing you to hurt people then let us live and do as we want.its a weed there should not be a restriction on it

 

[Blue Dot]

med⋅i⋅cine  /ˈmɛdəsɪn or, especially Brit., ˈmɛdsən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [med-uh-sin or, especially Brit., med-suhn] Show IPA noun, verb, -cined, -cin⋅ing.
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–noun 1. any substance or substances used in treating disease or illness; medicament; remedy.
2. the art or science of restoring or preserving health or due physical condition, as by means of drugs, surgical operations or appliances, or manipulations: often divided into medicine proper, surgery, and obstetrics.
3. the art or science of treating disease with drugs or curative substances, as distinguished from surgery and obstetrics.
4. the medical profession.
5. (among North American Indians) any object or practice regarded as having magical powers

I would say it is allways a Medicine, just my opinion thought

None of those definitions fits getting drunk at a bar during prohibition so alcohol can't always be medicine yet this was the tactic used during prohibtion to circumvent the law (much like MJ today, I dunno, that's all I'm asking?).

 

[has_some_sinse]

No, but did alcohol have medical value back then that they don't now, or was it because the people in power didn't make the alcohol yet. There were no alcohol lobbyist to let them drive around in a horseless carriage.. If you drink alcohol now, you're giving money to the same people who are oppressing us. Funny how breweries and big pharma are the main backers for the partnership for a drug free america...As soon as Pfizer can patent a GMO cannabis and like Monsanto with soybeans (if u don't know about that...wow...long story...watch FOOD INC.) own all rights to and hybrids of...it will all of a sudden be legal.
Because old white men will get richer...Im not prejudice, I'm white too.
Does hitting the bong before I go to Walmart to tolerate white trash easier count as medicinal...cause If I "medicate", I don't care how slow the fat lady in sweats walks, I don't walk around with my normal arrogance, I don't have so much contempt for people with low normal IQ's, if I don't I get stressed and I think "walk faster fat slut" or "spit it out Jethro, shut up so I can walk away now."
Is that medical????

 

[Hydrosun]

None of those definitions fits getting drunk at a bar during prohibtion so alcohol can't always be medicine yet this was the tactic used during prohibtion to circumvent the law (much like MJ today, I dunno, that's all I'm asking?).

Well Ass Clown if getting drunk at a bar isn't medicinal but it is not a crime, why the FUCK are you harassing MJ growers or smokers? Remember you are here on this thread decrying the NON IMPRISONMENT of a grower.

Peace,

 

[has_some_sinse]

ok, sometimes I burn to remedy boredom, so yes its always medicinal, Thanks for looking that up!!!

Do you call yourself Blue Dot cause of the mediocre herb, or the low quality bongs? I'm just kidding, I was being witty, but I've already wrote lotsa letters, I'm ahead.

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

Here is one for you bluedot you talk shit about cali and drug dealers but the funny part i just realized is how long have you been smoking for? How do you up tain it? i know there is no doctor that will give you it. so you must get it from some where??????? why are you such a hypocrite?????? you are a joke and a shit starter and who really cares what you think?????
you are no better than any one else. so sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Guest 18340]

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[Guest 18340]

Here's the whole article;
A New Jersey man on trial for growing 17 marijuana plants on his property was found not guilty yesterday of the most serious charge against him, that of operating a drug production facility, which carries a potential 20-year sentence. But multiple sclerosis-sufferer John Wilson, 37, still faces the possibility of five to 10 years in prison, because the jury found him guilty of second-degree manufacturing and third-degree drug possession. It's possible that Wilson avoided conviction on the most serious charge because he cast doubt on the credibility of state troopers who arrested him in August 2008—with a little help from the National Guard.

Wilson maintains that he was growing the marijuana because it helps alleviate his MS symptoms, but Superior Court Judge Robert Reed had ruled that the validity of medical marijuana was a matter for the Legislature and inadmissible in court. Nevertheless, Wilson was able to make one mention of his condition during his testimony on Wednesday, when he contradicted the state troopers who swore they did not discuss why he was growing the drug. "I told them I was not a drug dealer and I was using the marijuana to treat my M.S.," Wilson said.

Juror Mark Imbriani, who is actually a criminal defense lawyer in Somerville and a former assistant prosecutor in Union County, tells the Star-Ledger that some jurors "didn’t feel as though (the detectives) were being candid when they responded to those questions." The trial prompted sick marijuana users to protest outside the courthouse, and two state senators who sponsored a medical marijuana bill have been seeking a pardon for Wilson. "This case has been a horrible waste of taxpayers’ dollars and just a cruel and inhumane use of prosecutorial powers, which is one of the things pardons are designed to overcome," New Jersey State Senator Ray Lesniak said.

Speaking of wasting taxpayer dollars, it also emerged during the trial that the military helped bust the sickly pot grower. Deputy Attorney General Russell Curley told the jury during closing arguments that the plants were spotted by a National Guard helicopter because they were 6 feet tall: "These weren’t plants. These were trees." And before his arrest, Wilson was surprised to see a helicopter hovering over his two-bedroom farm house, testifying that "it looked like some sort of Army, or I guess National Guard helicopter."
And the link, http://gothamist.com/2009/12/18/marijuana_grower_with_multiple_scle_1.php

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

like i said earlier Speaking of wasting taxpayer dollars. NOT GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY. talk about putting us farther into dept. while the the politicians get richer not so good for the people that make this country great. i am talking about you and me.as the people.

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

bluedot give it a rest you are a hater and a joke so stop posting your wasting everyone's time. fuck this whole post you don't shut up no one here will agree with you we are all proud users of this herb so if you can't handle it then leave i am getting real sick of you real quick. who care if all people are using it for med or not who the hell are you to judge we all have different needs different strokes for different folks get over it.

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

i am glade to here this

i am glade to here this

Here's the whole article;
A New Jersey man on trial for growing 17 marijuana plants on his property was found not guilty yesterday of the most serious charge against him, that of operating a drug production facility, which carries a potential 20-year sentence. But multiple sclerosis-sufferer John Wilson, 37, still faces the possibility of five to 10 years in prison, because the jury found him guilty of second-degree manufacturing and third-degree drug possession. It's possible that Wilson avoided conviction on the most serious charge because he cast doubt on the credibility of state troopers who arrested him in August 2008—with a little help from the National Guard.

Wilson maintains that he was growing the marijuana because it helps alleviate his MS symptoms, but Superior Court Judge Robert Reed had ruled that the validity of medical marijuana was a matter for the Legislature and inadmissible in court. Nevertheless, Wilson was able to make one mention of his condition during his testimony on Wednesday, when he contradicted the state troopers who swore they did not discuss why he was growing the drug. "I told them I was not a drug dealer and I was using the marijuana to treat my M.S.," Wilson said.

Juror Mark Imbriani, who is actually a criminal defense lawyer in Somerville and a former assistant prosecutor in Union County, tells the Star-Ledger that some jurors "didn’t feel as though (the detectives) were being candid when they responded to those questions." The trial prompted sick marijuana users to protest outside the courthouse, and two state senators who sponsored a medical marijuana bill have been seeking a pardon for Wilson. "This case has been a horrible waste of taxpayers’ dollars and just a cruel and inhumane use of prosecutorial powers, which is one of the things pardons are designed to overcome," New Jersey State Senator Ray Lesniak said.

Speaking of wasting taxpayer dollars, it also emerged during the trial that the military helped bust the sickly pot grower. Deputy Attorney General Russell Curley told the jury during closing arguments that the plants were spotted by a National Guard helicopter because they were 6 feet tall: "These weren’t plants. These were trees." And before his arrest, Wilson was surprised to see a helicopter hovering over his two-bedroom farm house, testifying that "it looked like some sort of Army, or I guess National Guard helicopter."
And the link, http://gothamist.com/2009/12/18/marijuana_grower_with_multiple_scle_1.php

maybe times are going to change for the better for all of us sooner then we think we are getting stronger with each case won.

 

[fatigues]

Juror Mark Imbriani, who is actually a criminal defense lawyer in Somerville and a former assistant prosecutor in Union County, tells the Star-Ledger that some jurors...

What the fuck? :jawdrop:

They allowed a practicing lawyer to sit on a jury in New Jersey??? I'm not going to go bother to research this point under NJ state law, but... WOW. [Edit: Ok, I lied. I researched the point. End result: It appears lawful in New Jersey and most states. I conclude that most states' laws in this regard are inherently defective. *shakes head*. It might be lawful, but it's still WRONG.]

Where I live, a lawyer is ineligible to sit on a jury. In any place I've ever lived, if that's not disclosed, that is cause for a mistrial.

The problem is straightforward: the jurors hear the evidence in court. They hear submissions from counsel and are instructed by the judge on the law - and then retire and go make their deliberations. Everything they hear before deliberations begin is transcribed and subject to appeal. That's the jury system and the procedural law of evidence and fairness of our trial system -- in a nutshell. It is the very keystone of the criminal justice system, upon which everything else depends.

Except with a guy like that in the back room, you have a whole new judge AND counsel re-arguing the case before 11 other men and women. All of it off the record, none of it subject to a reply from other counsel, (be it for the defendant or the State) -- and none of it subject to correction by an appeal court.

I guarantee you, Mark Imbriani controlled that jury. They ruled in the way that Mark Imbriani wanted them to rule. That means Wilson did not have a jury of 12 - he had a jury of ONE.

Where I live, if a lawyer had not disclosed his professional status to the court before the jury was empanelled? That would be a prima facie cause for disbarment. I must only assume that in the state of New Jersey - it is not. Still... WOW.

Even if it isn't the law of New Jersey (Edit: and it looks like it is allowed under NJ law) -- it's still just flat out 100% WRONG. John Wilson deserves a new trial (if he wants one). To be blunt, I'd have to say the People of New Jersey deserve one too, if they want it. Call a mistrial on the whole damn thing.

Justice must not only be done - but it must be seen to be done. And I guarantee you - whatever happened in that jury room with a lawyer and former criminal prosecutor in the back room? That WAS NOT justice.

WOW.

 

[pthway4]

I'm saying, try to view this medical thing through LEO'S eyes.

They make their livelyhood off prosecuting so if everyone claims medical they won't have a job anymore.

I'd be cool with that if everyone was medical but I ask you, is ALL use medical?

Blue dot you make yourelf sound VERY sympathetic to LEO'S cause........?

 

[Pythagllio]

...nm

 

[kmk420kali]

No worries and thank you very much. Check out the thread in my sig to see what I've been up to as BlueDot goes to dispenserys and bitches like a stuck pig. I hope we all overgrow the world together. I know that can be tough so we ICmager's need to help each other not "Prosecute" and "Imprison" as BlueDot would have.

Peace,

Just a friendly heads up..."Simi" is really "Semi"--