Can I do a 1000w vert with only 6 plants?

[GeorgeSmiley]

im looking at the fact that the light footprint on a 1k is about 10x10 if not actually 8x8.

now in your original post you said that you had spaces to choose from one of them being a 5x5 spot.

so my question is why would you want to grow 6 plants, in a space that can handle 3 times that amount.

why would you want to use a 1k watt bulb on just 6 plants when it could handle 5 times that many plants?

but heres my thing, when i grow i utilize every nook and cranny of space and every bit of light that i can inorder to maximize the space that is there.

now if this 6 plant 1k bulb grow is something you "want" to do, then ok i will digress, shut up, leave it alone, not say another word on teh matter. but as far as optimizing space its not something you should do.

i'll say it this way, as far as what i think you "should" do with the space and items given in comparison is a waste to what you want to do BUT if that grow is something that you "want" to do then hey, have at it.

Dude I'm sorry I stated in my first post 6 plant limit but should have said 6 plant legal limit Not a single bad vibe at you not even in the least from your first post.... I was receiving your help totally.

Okay I think it's a "my bad" on my part. This is a legal med grow and I can only have 6 plants in flower.

I thought vertical would give a good yield for the effort etc. I'm not looking to set records just grow simple and enjoy.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

Dude I'm sorry I stated in my first post 6 plant limit but should have said 6 plant legal limit Not a single bad vibe at you not even in the least from your first post.... I was receiving your help totally.

Okay I think it's a "my bad" on my part. This is a legal med grow and I can only have 6 plants in flower.

I thought vertical would give a good yield for the effort etc. I'm not looking to set records just grow simple and enjoy.

(forgive me, high right now)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!! YOU DIDNT STATE THAT MAN!!!

ok well now i feel like a total ass, because i thought that you were some friggin yahoo. but i understand now, ok ok ok, i got it

but its a LEGAL grow, thats why the limit, and blah blah blah, ok ok i got it.

you know if, your good with tools and all, you could build a 2-1/2' tall wall or like a surrounding in in the space kinda like a box and just have one big ass flower bed and then those plants can go ape shit under a 1k, but i would still mount it at the top though, i just dont see those plants stretching too much with the light right next to them (i would think that it makes the plants kinda lazy if the thing they need the most is sittin right next to 'em)

and then you could stand in it and be able to just chop them down, it would be less hassle to water since everything is right there.

and to me i also see themgetting burned because once they get taller, those side branches are gonna get longer and theres going to be some burn maybe, with 8' of height to deal with?! theyre gonna get long as hell, well then again, it does depend on the strain aswell i guess.

at this point i just want to see it done, lol

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

For your first attempt at this, I'd stick with what you know as much as possible. You have so many new things to deal with, I'd get them locked down first and play with media/substrates on the next run.

FB is totally right, always play safe..... but you could do one or two of your 6 in Coco, just to learn how and try it, or you never will. It is honsetly, IMO easier than soil, Drain to waste, you have no EC to check, you just make up the same mix time after time. I really think it is fundamentally easier to get right than soil is, you cannot overwater and it is hard to get the food wrong as you control it all yourself properly, rather than guessing what your soil is up to. I know the mudpluggers will want to stick my head in a stinky compost bin for saying it.... but there you go, life is nothing without risks.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

For your first attempt at this, I'd stick with what you know as much as possible. You have so many new things to deal with, I'd get them locked down first and play with media/substrates on the next run.

I've had problems with what I know. The FFOF starting coming with a free gift of fungus gnats in each bag. I hate their nutes as well.

So that why I was thinking sushine mix 4 with the perlite. Dunno thinking boticare nutes or maxi.

(forgive me, high right now)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!! YOU DIDNT STATE THAT MAN!!!

ok well now i feel like a total ass, because i thought that you were some friggin yahoo. but i understand now, ok ok ok, i got it

Don't, I caught what you were saying finally and it was good advice for what I set the perimeters.

but its a LEGAL grow, thats why the limit, and blah blah blah, ok ok i got it.

you know if, your good with tools and all, you could build a 2-1/2' tall wall or like a surrounding in in the space kinda like a box and just have one big ass flower bed and then those plants can go ape shit under a 1k, but i would still mount it at the top though, i just dont see those plants stretching too much with the light right next to them (i would think that it makes the plants kinda lazy if the thing they need the most is sittin right next to 'em)

Okay so here's an interesting point, I'm getting clones of 6 diff varieties and still have to figure out how much stretch. I think bubbachunk, cheese,og kush, nlxbb, jack ripper, nl x big bud. Don't know about stretch. When I found out what clones I'm getting I'm thinking a lot of those aren't going to stretch much. To get vert I would have to veg for quite a while yeah?

If they are really squat plants is the 1000w just going to be wasted in the vert position??

FB is totally right, always play safe..... but you could do one or two of your 6 in Coco, just to learn how and try it, or you never will. It is honsetly, IMO easier than soil, Drain to waste, you have no EC to check, you just make up the same mix time after time. I really think it is fundamentally easier to get right than soil is, you cannot overwater and it is hard to get the food wrong as you control it all yourself properly, rather than guessing what your soil is up to. I know the mudpluggers will want to stick my head in a stinky compost bin for saying it.... but there you go, life is nothing without risks.

Yeah, what I've done in the past didn't work all the great for me.

So I need a soiless mix or coco but coco is intimidating when I really need some herb. Things are tight and I'm going without during the cold wet "pain season." but I really want to try coco.

If any od those strains go well together in terms of growth I'm going to run 3 of one strain and 3 of the other.


The vertical scrog is looking better and better. Easy to make, I have to train them to something one way or another so might as well be to it's own pot/trellis. Maybe 5-6 feet high?

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Every single time I think I got it figured out I start to doubt it. I'm going in fucking circles. Indecision syndrom

 

[FreezerBoy]

I'd never have said this unless you'd expressed dissatisfaction but, I can't imagine putting up with the grief of soil indoors. And that before seeing the Infirmary here.

My E&F was trouble free but, once I saw DWC root porn, I had to have it. As a complete noob with DWC, it took a couple of weeks to dial it in and it's been trouble free ever since. Including a summer run with res temps in the 80s-90s with no slime or rot. Added bonus, no bugs. I'll have a moth fly in the open door on occasion but, if I see more than 1 gnat per grow, I'm stunned.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

Every single time I think I got it figured out I start to doubt it. I'm going in fucking circles. Indecision syndrom

brotha dont feel bad one bit, im going through the sane thing with this hydro buisness.

i said i would try it, then i ran into too much shit so i said forget it, then i check and there are roots and the pH is stable, go to check the next day, waters stable at 6.5 for the past 3 days now and so is the water in the res, so now im thinking maybe i can get past teh cloner stage in hydro and be able to flower. . . . . see man your not the only one, this hydro shit has me dizzy

everyone says how "set it and forget it" easy hydro is, but be damned if im seeing anything like that!! lol

dont worry, you'll get it though, and its the one thing i have to remember for myself as well, i'll get it (i hope).

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

The vertical scrog is looking better and better. Easy to make, I have to train them to something one way or another so might as well be to it's own pot/trellis. Maybe 5-6 feet high?

I think the idea of giving them their own pot/trellis is great, you can move them about and optimise positioning/light perfectly and seamlessly allow for different growth/stretch patterns... allowing you to run different strains painlessly. I love NFT, but it's biggest disadvantage is the way you have to plug all your clones in a big table, fixed in place, "Press Go" and pray it all stays shipshape and plays ball for the bext 2 months.... any plants getting overexcited and stretching more than their neighbours get big, but screw over the neighbours with shade, lowering your overall yield.

If you are Vertical, with a 1000W, maybe 5-6' is a bit too tall for just one bulb, as you are legal why not stick another in there, plenty of growers say Light = Yield.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

oh and far as your vertical growthis concerned, i had a lil stepdown ligth regimen i tried and it seemd to work for me.

now most people go from 18/6 straight to 12/12, but i went 18/6 - 16/8 - 12/12

i go 24/7 with cuts and clones, my plants that are about to go into flower i keep at 18/6 but when i put them in the flower cab i hit them with 16/8 of MH for about two weeks after transplant and then switch 12/12.

i just think its more of a gradual progression, more along the lines of what would happen in nature somewhat. i mean when we change seasons, its not like the cartoons where the sun is up and then down and then up again ya know? but that 16/8 was a really noticable /fast boost of growth

i did it becuase i read a thread about it on IC many moons ago. give it a shot it cant hurt

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

I'd never have said this unless you'd expressed dissatisfaction but, I can't imagine putting up with the grief of soil indoors. And that before seeing the Infirmary here.

My E&F was trouble free but, once I saw DWC root porn, I had to have it. As a complete noob with DWC, it took a couple of weeks to dial it in and it's been trouble free ever since. Including a summer run with res temps in the 80s-90s with no slime or rot. Added bonus, no bugs. I'll have a moth fly in the open door on occasion but, if I see more than 1 gnat per grow, I'm stunned.

I totally agree on the soil thing and every 8 weeks i'll have another 100+ gallons of soil to dispose/recycle/compost re purchase new, soil.

I think in the long run I would rather spend that on nutes etc so DWC seems like the endgame for me.

oh and far as your vertical growthis concerned, i had a lil stepdown ligth regimen i tried and it seemd to work for me.

now most people go from 18/6 straight to 12/12, but i went 18/6 - 16/8 - 12/12

i go 24/7 with cuts and clones, my plants that are about to go into flower i keep at 18/6 but when i put them in the flower cab i hit them with 16/8 of MH for about two weeks after transplant and then switch 12/12.

i just think its more of a gradual progression, more along the lines of what would happen in nature somewhat. i mean when we change seasons, its not like the cartoons where the sun is up and then down and then up again ya know? but that 16/8 was a really noticable /fast boost of growth

i did it becuase i read a thread about it on IC many moons ago. give it a shot it cant hurt

Yeah I've always done 24/7 then straight to 12/12 but after some reading and found a lot of people that have grown the strains back to back say that after trial and error the best veg light was 20/4 and then 12/12 but I've always wondered if it was better to adjust gradually just like we would regarding transplant.




OKAY

Well someone is giving me a 400 watt light so I can start, same guy giving me any clone I want for free and they're all 9&10's just beauty. So starting with a smaller light I think I'm going to go with the horizontal scrog. Just will be taking advantage of the smaller light.

I'll get either a 1000 or 2 600's in a month or so and can decide the vert thing then

So a #15 polycan squat holds about 12 gallons of medium, individual scrog screen. (don't know if I should use PVC or tomato cage with wire screen attached 2x4 inch holes I think) 4 in flower with 2 vegging.

bleh lol

 

[johnnyla]

since you are only limited by plant count throw another light in flowering. veg each one till they are 3x3ft and then flower and get half a pound off each. you could prob get that without the extra light.

use FFOF and cut it with perlite in at least 5 gallon buckets. tis what i'm doing right now. tis the season. happy holidaze.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Quick question I know it's horiz not vert but

If I want each plant to have it's own 2x2 screen will 12 gallons of soil be too much root space for a 2x2 screen? I need to figure that out plus veg time.

 

[FreezerBoy]

I'm doing horizontal 22"x29" ScrOG DWC but, here's what my roots looked like after 17 weeks of 12/12 in an 18 gal tub (12 gal nutes)



Remember that gravity and water are stretching out the root mass. I still had room to go after 17 weeks of 12/12. I doubt 12 gal is too much but, may be more than you need.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

I'm doing horizontal 22"x29" ScrOG DWC but, here's what my roots looked like after 17 weeks of 12/12 in an 18 gal tub (12 gal nutes)



Remember that gravity and water are stretching out the root mass. I still had room to go after 17 weeks of 12/12. I doubt 12 gal is too much but, may be more than you need.

Nice root porn 17 weeks holy crap!

I was kinda thinkin 12 gallons of soil is a bit much for a screen that small. After all the soil does cost a bit of cash.

Anyways here is a drawing of my scrog cart idea.
That's a #15 squat on a 24 inch base with casters. The screen is 24x24 and the holes are 4x4.

I think this way I could have the pot and drip tray on a rolling cart so I can roll them out and water/prune/train. This way can run diff strains etc and still have flexibility in terms of care and maintenance.



Probably shorter casters than the drawing to keep the center of gravity lower.

I would put 4 of these in a 5x6 area and that should leave room for the fan and possibly a dehumidifier.

 

[FreezerBoy]

I submit that the illo isn't a ScrOG as much as it's a plant with a screen in the middle of it. Horizontal growth is what stimulates the lower branches and creates the even canopy. Nothing is allowed over the screen but bud growth. The red circles in the last shot is the "top" of the plant.



Think of it as waffles, you get to throw the first one out. With 6 plants under a 1K you'll be buried in weed with little effort. The root porn posted earlier was my 1st ScrOG, 1st DWC, 1st indoor sativa. Yes I made mistakes but, ended up with over 4 zips water cured under a 250. There's really only one way to earn this stuff. Dive in the deep end, do what seems natural, take notes and figure your changes from there.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Oops

No the plant is just there to show where a plant would be.... I understand scrog in practice just not sure on the height of the screen yet so left the illo and that bird of paradise was just the first plant I saw in the sketchup library online.