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[charutao]

hello guys this is my first post here, and it is a question!

for a pc case grow size, what are the combination of cfl lamps that are optimal, and what are their specifications?

(i know prety noob question, but i cant really see the screen well)

well i'm asking becouse i'm thinking in starting a litle project, and doing some research, thanks guys, feels good here

 

[dy-no-mite3000]

Hey Charutao, I've been researching and reading like hell myself preparing for my first grow which'll be a PC Grow as well.
From things I've read here's what most people do with PC's.

The taller the tower the better off you'll be. Trying to grow in a short/mid tower case will lead to issues with cramped space come flowering.

100w of light for your first plant, 50w for each after.
Don't pay attention to the "Equivalent" light bulb rating, go with the actual.
4 23w CFL's seems to be the general consensus, although I've seen a bunch of grows using 3 lights.
Make sure your lights are "daylight" temperature (6500k) and not warm white or anything else.
At hardware stores you can sometimes find light sockets/Y splitters that will plug directly into a 6 outlet power strip which you'll mount inside your case.

Flat White plaint (highest reflective paint there is I believe) or try and find Mylar. Yes the reflective looking shit they also use to make baloons with. As that'll help reflect the light throughout the case.

As far as soil or hydro I cannot help you there.

For fans most people seem to have their intakes in the front and their export fans in the back of the PC.

ONA Gel along with a Carbon Scrubber outside of the fans pushing out the air from the case should eliminate pretty much all odor situations.

Your case shouldn't go over 84 degrees with the lights on, so figuring out your fan speeds and lights will be something you gotta figure out once set up.

As far as what to expect to yield, I've seen people happy with results of 10-14 grams off 1 plant in a PC grow without any real form of scrog/sog/lst'ing.
I am hoping to run 2 plants at once with lst in a large enough server case myself that'll be 21 inches tall and 20 inches in depth.

 

[charutao]

Hey Charutao, I've been researching and reading like hell myself preparing for my first grow which'll be a PC Grow as well.
From things I've read here's what most people do with PC's.

The taller the tower the better off you'll be. Trying to grow in a short/mid tower case will lead to issues with cramped space come flowering.

100w of light for your first plant, 50w for each after.
Don't pay attention to the "Equivalent" light bulb rating, go with the actual.
4 23w CFL's seems to be the general consensus, although I've seen a bunch of grows using 3 lights.
Make sure your lights are "daylight" temperature (6500k) and not warm white or anything else.
At hardware stores you can sometimes find light sockets/Y splitters that will plug directly into a 6 outlet power strip which you'll mount inside your case.

Flat White plaint (highest reflective paint there is I believe) or try and find Mylar. Yes the reflective looking shit they also use to make baloons with. As that'll help reflect the light throughout the case.

As far as soil or hydro I cannot help you there.

For fans most people seem to have their intakes in the front and their export fans in the back of the PC.

ONA Gel along with a Carbon Scrubber outside of the fans pushing out the air from the case should eliminate pretty much all odor situations.

Your case shouldn't go over 84 degrees with the lights on, so figuring out your fan speeds and lights will be something you gotta figure out once set up.

As far as what to expect to yield, I've seen people happy with results of 10-14 grams off 1 plant in a PC grow without any real form of scrog/sog/lst'ing.
I am hoping to run 2 plants at once with lst in a large enough server case myself that'll be 21 inches tall and 20 inches in depth.

you have been so helpfull, bow

respect

 

[dy-no-mite3000]

Hey the idea is we're all here to help each other. Just doing my part but thanks
One thing I'm having an issue with trying to get a clear answer is to what kind of pot to grow in.

Soil is easier for a novice than hydro growing is it seems, but for a PC since we're limited in space, I don'tknow what to plant in.
Square? Circle pot? Does it matter?

I'm planning to LST, to keep my height down etc so I assume a square pot would work best to grow from in the PC tower, I don'tknow how deep of a pot to buy.

Considering some people grow other methods using 2 liter soda bottles and 20 oz gatorade bottles I feel I might be worrying about the plant holders than I need to.

I hope I'm not stepping on toes, but I came to the IC forums via a reco for grow journals from Grass City. I believe ICmag has a PC growers club here as well, but I've done a lot of reading @ GC on the PC grow method which might help you as well.
hxxp://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/467595-pc-growers-club-journal.html

 

[k1net1k]

thats some good basic advice +rep

 

[KolorBlind]

Hey guys!!

Great thread you have going here, VERY helpful and informative!!

I have recently ordered 3 42w 6500k CFLs from 1000bulbs.com (I HIGHLY recommend them btw) and they are on back order. I plan to use them for my mom/clone chamber but 26w will have to do till they get here. My question was, does anyone use the 42w for veg, or higher? My height for the cab is only about 15" and I plan on increasing it to 21", but Im worried about frying my little clones.

I would love to hear form someone who uses 42w or higher bulbs for mom/clone/veg and if they see any difference from the lower wattage CFLs.

Thanks!!
KB

 

[KolorBlind]

dy-no-mite3000 - If I read right, you are wondering what is they best type of pot to use for a PC grow that you plan on implementing the ScrOG tecnique? If height is a concern, then ignore everyone who tells you that you need a tall pot because obviously that is not an option.

In my opinion, take a 3 liter soda bottle, put the cap on, turn it on its side and cut a long rectangular hole in it. Then fill it with soil and grow 1 or 2 (preferably 1) plant in it. That will give you MUCH more height than any standard pot allowing you to utilize your space better.

In my experiences, just as most others, pots that are taller than they are wide work best. But when you grow micro like that you really have to start learning how to defy the common laws of growing.

If I have misread or misinterpereted your post I apologize, just ignore me in that case

KB

 

[TheGreenBastard]

Hey the idea is we're all here to help each other. Just doing my part but thanks
One thing I'm having an issue with trying to get a clear answer is to what kind of pot to grow in.

Soil is easier for a novice than hydro growing is it seems, but for a PC since we're limited in space, I don'tknow what to plant in.
Square? Circle pot? Does it matter?

I'm planning to LST, to keep my height down etc so I assume a square pot would work best to grow from in the PC tower, I don'tknow how deep of a pot to buy.

Considering some people grow other methods using 2 liter soda bottles and 20 oz gatorade bottles I feel I might be worrying about the plant holders than I need to.

I hope I'm not stepping on toes, but I came to the IC forums via a reco for grow journals from Grass City. I believe ICmag has a PC growers club here as well, but I've done a lot of reading @ GC on the PC grow method which might help you as well.
hxxp://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/467595-pc-growers-club-journal.html

For a PC grow I would defiantly go with a square pot since the base of a PC case is of course quadrilateral. Logically, in a small space you would use a pot that is the same shape as your floorspace. If you were to use a circular pot you would have unused space in the corners of your case. I suggest building your own pot to better fit your cab and utilize as much space as possible.

As far as training method, ScrOG would be your best bet in a PC case. That way you can achieve maximum yield with minimal space/height.

The taller the tower the better off you'll be. Trying to grow in a short/mid tower case will lead to issues with cramped space come flowering.

Also, if you were to use AF's you wouldn't need to worry about the height of a case. As with an Auto-flowering strain you wouldn't even need to train it to stay short enough to fit in your cab/case.

As far as what to expect to yield, I've seen people happy with results of 10-14 grams off 1 plant in a PC grow without any real form of scrog/sog/lst'ing.
I am hoping to run 2 plants at once with lst in a large enough server case myself that'll be 21 inches tall and 20 inches in depth.

That is a nice size case, not much smaller than my current PC builds size. In a cab that size you could easily yield more than 10-14g's with ScrOG and an AF strain in ~2 months from seed.

 

[dy-no-mite3000]

KolorBlind- A soda bottle troth! I love the idea thank you. I'm just gonna have to figure out how to keep it from rolling over

TGB: IS there a way to increase my yield in a PC to push it towards an ounce or more or that's just crazy talk?
Scrog-1-2 pants using the canopy effect w/ chicken wire to let the colas grow past, keeping the fan leaves tucked under.
Sog- small bottles lots of plants in a tight area & small planters.

TGB, If I scrog in a pc won't I have issues when I try and remove the plant from the case to flush or other issues?
I figured I would LST or 4 way LST as the tutorials I've seen do a good job explaining how and when to. Plus keeping the plant tied down to the rim of the planter rather than a screen above the plant seemed the best route to take.
Thanks for the help with the questions guys.

 

[thehappyguy]

That is a nice size case, not much smaller than my current PC builds size. In a cab that size you could easily yield more than 10-14g's with ScrOG and an AF strain in ~2 months from seed.

i think if you're going to scrog, you would be better off not having autoflower plants; you want control over the plant's flower period with a ScrOG so your screen fills up correctly. i would assume that non-AF seeds would have a better potential in scrog.

 

[dy-no-mite3000]

I've got close to 200 potentially viable seeds that I've harvested off a giant bag of shake that a mom shared with me last month. I plan to try and grow using those seeds first until I feel I have enough hands on experience then I plan to delve into AF's as well as premium beans.
Thanks for the advice.

 

[b00m]

Some good advice and friendly vibes going on in here, Great Work peeps.

Happy Gardening All.
Peace.

 

[TheGreenBastard]

I've got close to 200 potentially viable seeds that I've harvested off a giant bag of shake that a mom shared with me last month. I plan to try and grow using those seeds first until I feel I have enough hands on experience then I plan to delve into AF's as well as premium beans.
Thanks for the advice.

That is a great plan, I had always thought of my bagseed grows as practice for when I got real genetics. It is nice to have a bunch of plants you can just play around with and get a 'feel' for caring for live plants.

I have seen a lot of people waste money on seeds by attempting to grow them with no experience, some people just don't start out with a green thumb. That's why bagseed exist .

KolorBlind- A soda bottle troth! I love the idea thank you. I'm just gonna have to figure out how to keep it from rolling over

TGB: IS there a way to increase my yield in a PC to push it towards an ounce or more or that's just crazy talk?
Scrog-1-2 pants using the canopy effect w/ chicken wire to let the colas grow past, keeping the fan leaves tucked under.
Sog- small bottles lots of plants in a tight area & small planters.

If using a 12/12 strain, Scrog would ideal. If using an AF I would go with either SoG or simply 2 plants with as much root space as possible. I believe you would have better results with the latter if you chose the AF route for they tend to yield more and generally do better with larger pots.

As far as getting an ounce, your best bet would be AF's. They will yield about the same as a 12/12 strain in your setup, though they will do it MUCH faster. Lets say you yielded 20g's off 2 12/12 plants in under 4 months (one harvest) and you harvested the same amount off of 2 AF's in ~2 months. Then in little more time than it took to finish your 12/12's you will have two harvest of your AF's.

2 AF's + ~120days= 40g's (10g's per plant, times two plants, times two harvest)

2 12/12's + ~100 days= 20g's (10g's per plant, times two plants, times one harvest)

TGB, If I scrog in a pc won't I have issues when I try and remove the plant from the case to flush or other issues?
I figured I would LST or 4 way LST as the tutorials I've seen do a good job explaining how and when to. Plus keeping the plant tied down to the rim of the planter rather than a screen above the plant seemed the best route to take.
Thanks for the help with the questions guys.

You will have some issues removing them but one of the benefits of ScrOG is that you don't have to due to the ease of access. Though if you are just looking for simplicity go with LST.

i think if you're going to scrog, you would be better off not having autoflower plants; you want control over the plant's flower period with a ScrOG so your screen fills up correctly. i would assume that non-AF seeds would have a better potential in scrog.

Sorry, I had meant OR an AF strain. Though ScrOG can be done with AF's (not practically as it slows growth) your right to assume that non-AF's benefit much more.

 

[Ghostwolf]

I thought it was about time I posted my latest efforts in this thread, instead of just talking about it. I wish the pictures were better, I had to use my web cam and it's not the best but it works. I'll post more pictures later. The larger plant is sativa and is working on a cola as you can see & has a good smell, and frosting up nicely. The smaller one is a younger indica/sativa but for her size is really frosting up hard and smells very good. Because of the photo quality it's a little hard to see the frost on them. I pollinated both of them from the males of the Indica/sativa so I should have some good seeds, there is one more girl, she is a late bloomer and is making up for lost time, she is flowering up nicely. I'll show her later on. They have at least 4 or more weeks left to go. They are in my first PC Grow Case shown here, with 2x100w CFL's inside. I also will take more pictures of it later. I just wanted to get something out here for all to see.

 

[pjådd]

Hi there!

I'm currently working on a PC case for my first ever grow (will be scrogging using coco with perlite, Canna Coco AB, PK 13-14, and my semi-hard tapwater, if anyone's interested...). I thought I'd sort out a lot of things concerning heat from the very beginning, so I don't have too many problems with that when it's all up and running.

I plan on conducting a few heat tests using normal incandescent bulbs (already have plenty, and I can't afford to buy CFLs I later can't use), and so I'm wondering: How much of the power that the CFLs use gets converted into heat? My first guess would be quite a lot of it, but I've heard everything from 5% to 100%, so in reality I'm clueless. Are there other things i should think about when comparing?

Also, if it's possible to use, say, a 50 or 70W HPS for the bloom phase, I'm guessing that's superior to using the equivalent power of 2,7kK CFLs? Or will it inconvenience me so much (adding glass to incapsulate the heat, repositioning, etc), it's just not worth the supposed increase in yield?

Thanks in advance!

 

[b00m]

Morning CFL crew here is a couple of pics from yesterday, Dynamite x Princess Diesel @ wk something or other:-

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Still getting used to the new camera.
Happy Gardening All.
Peace.

 

[#1cheesebuds]

wow they be looking very nice. and thet pic of the Dynamite x Princess Diesel looks super dooper good. drooling over it.

 

[b00m]

Thanks cheese, going to have to pop ova into your thread and have a peek, last I was there it was looking nice an healthy.

Peace.

 

[Ghostwolf]

Hope everyone's stays warm with your plants tonight!

 

[b00m]

Here's another shot from the other day Dyna x PD @ 40 days +/- a day, getting close now. I know there are heaps more peeps out there using CFLs, don't be shy post them plants up here in the CFL Club, we all would love to see 'em. :yay:

Peace an Gardening