What Male to use in a cross?

[englishrick]

Its TRUE. I have raised alot of bars around here over the years. Have you?

I will raise more bars around here before I am finished.

You sound jealous/bitter about the things Ive done, RnD'ed, and presented. I understand. Youre probably an alpha male too, and you TRY to do better work which is better than most. thank you for that. But going forward with your infinitesimal breeding program is not going to CHANGE ANYTHING. Shit, your 'tropical seedlines' will be worthless in most marijuana producing regions of the world. We need you to STOP and ADVOCATE for change. Youre not changing anything when you persist with this SHITTY Seed business.

ok.

RRS is a valuable method. It rocked the OG and woke up many people forever. It CHANGED things(in people's minds anyway). Do you want to argue that with me? lolol. shittt...

Feminization with eXe was a HUGE personal discovery and a huge BREAKTHROUGH for drug cannabis at the time. It was a slightly better option than this amateur hackfest of choosing plants based on nothing but ignorance. I presented more than 10 things that could have been done, but nooo..as it turned out babies just eat and shit...and sell seeds.
At least feminized breeding supported full phenotypic evals on the parents. The kinds of feminized breeding I intro'ed online COULD have helped, but not when careless idiots are ALL doing it because its SIMPLE and was going to make them SEED MONEY. Look at feminized seeds NOW. Do you want to argue that with me? lolol

Now its Open Pollination, yes. Yet another BETTER option that I have presented. It looks like you dont want to argue that...lolol..

No, you want to argue with ME personally. Fine, man..do it.

whats next you ask????
Oh i dunno..theres so many frickn holes in this thing that YOURE NOT HELPING TO PLUG, Ill probably keep trying to fix it...as long as I have a NICK that is not banned or silenced. But will the BABIES ever listen?

What will you do to patch the holes Tom? sit in your cabana down south, and bitch about me asking -no, demanding- that you raise your LOW BAR again? bitch all you want.

.....Its the water for my metaphorical 'seeds'.

OK,,,so tom`s smalltime to YOU,,,,,ahmblox,,,,not to me..."Perspective",,.....,anyways ,,,,,still it seems hes been openoplinating "to a degree" for years ,,,maybe thats why hes allways been able to afford to be smalltime compared to YOU, no tom?,,,,still hes done a job!!,,,i LOVE the LOOK of his DC,,toms got some sh1t that i noticed from a far,,,,seeing Raco made me wake up propper!!,,,that purple is DC to me

1 thing ive "probbly" got UP on YOU Nvishon,,,,,ive grown my indervidual SK1 clone in more fukedup situations than you have probbly ever dreamed of,,,,,in PC`s,,,Sheds,,Tents,,,all typs of Soil then hydro,,wow,,,,,,,,,,,traits seem to be lost in the wrong enviroment,,,, genes are just clay the enviroment is the artist imo,,,,things can be put into different perspectives

 

[englishrick]

i believe outcrossing stabilizes epicenetic effects,,,what your seeing now in the current cannabiss genepool is just an epicenetic vaireation of 1 origonal novel family

 

[GreenintheThumb]

You've got the attention span of a fly. Remember when you said you'd shut up until you read allard? BTW- you won't find mention one of epigenetics in Allard. And every epigenetic effect washes out after several generations. You appear to have just learned about phenotypes and the gene and environment interactions. Please, slow down and don't post every single idea that comes in your head.

 

[cannaboy]

I say use the male that best suits the chosen female in progeny representation this is the Ideal male. Be it recessive or dominant you need to select on certain aspects of the biologiocal anatomy of the plants dna. ie with flower time size smell effects pest controll & vigour being selective traits I look for in a female, Hopefull dominand in the cross progeny..(MALES) smell vigour pollen sack and flower size pest resistance node structure VISIBALE THC flowertime (HOPEFULLY ALL RECESSIVE IN PROGENY). but passing all female selected traits into f1 lines homogeniously males hopefuly being hetrosygous.

 

[englishrick]

ya know before our enviroment colaped there was giants in the land,,,and fruit was mutch larger,,,,,end of exodus

 

[cannaboy]

Then came Advanced Nutrients PK9/18 Big Bud carboload overdrive

 

[englishrick]

secret tents ,,NFT,,, and CannaAqua,,,,,Budlink,,,added silica up the wazoo,,,,cell framewok xrays,,,,observation at its best,,,,complex terpens out-the window,,,,jackH tasting like crap on a saterday night not good enough,,,,,,,need a select clone to get the job done,,,,keep a clone my whole life,,,the roof is on fire bro,,,1 love

 

[GreenintheThumb]

So Tom-
When you trim back your earliest flowering males this is just to ensure that they aren't the ones doing the majority of the pollinating? You don't actually remove them, you just try to prevent their pollen from dropping early? I assume this is because you're growing in tents or a separate location to collect pollen is unavailable? So really, you don't have any problem with their pollen or fear linkage of any sort?

Jones-
I'm not sure what to make of the numbers Clarke plugged into Crossa's stuff. I can only assume that there's more information available on the number of loci and alleles of interest for hemp...

URUK-
You amuse me. HA, is fet even still alive?

 

[englishrick]

You've got the attention span of a fly. Remember when you said you'd shut up until you read allard? BTW- you won't find mention one of epigenetics in Allard. And every epigenetic effect washes out after several generations. You appear to have just learned about phenotypes and the gene and environment interactions. Please, slow down and don't post every single idea that comes in your head.

honestly Green,,im dying to shut up but something inside tells me you got it slightly wrong,,,im sorry im sorry

we all agree that cannabis was once hemp,,!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,my theory is that whatever enviroment promoted our beloved novel traits in hemp, has change indervidual familys of hemp into what we call cannabis.....the epigenetic effect we are observing is our beloved traits and outcrossing has stabilized it,,,,the reason why you think your losing genes is because now the samples are aclimatizing to there new enviroments ....outcrossing is the only way to mantain "observed traits" long term,,,

outcrossing and then "trait promotion" in a target enviroment!

get the enviroment right get the observation you want

 

[englishrick]

hay Green,,,did you ever hear of the research done by "Ciba Geigy" ,,,its basicly a big swiss pharma company..... the results from there tests in controled enviroments showed that the genome was not modified but genes that were thought of as junk and being no longer relevant at this stage of the organisms evolution became activated,,,,, plants started to show traits which were believed to be extinct.,,,,,,helow baby

 

[englishrick]

^^^^^^Penetrance is out-the window,,,if ya ask me,,,,,but no1 cares

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Is there an ignore feature on this site?

 

[englishrick]

i am that outliner indervidual most of them hack breeders overlook....

its not like any1 listens to me anyways,,,,,only you has replyed to me in ages,,,,,i made the Allard thread,,,,,im waiting for lessons,,,,i even outlines the goals of the book review,,,,,have you any respect for my unique "outliner indervidual" opinion,,,

everything is about perspective ,

 

[GreenintheThumb]

That first sentence reminds me of the Darkwing Duck opening...or his little mantra thing...

Rick, there's good bloody reason no one is responding you your posts. Because they're a mile a minute and retarded. I'll do what I can for you in the Allard thread but you've really tried my patience. I'm starting to realize how futile this thing will be in the end. You still don't seem to have any CLUE what epigenetics is about. It's a complex issue and I don't expect you to be an expert on it, but c'mon. You could at least be grasping your mental midget hands around something that resembles it. How is this so after you even made a thread about it? Baffling me, you are. Maybe if I do every post in Yoda-speak I'll have fun with it. But doubtful, I am. Anyway, maybe others will learn from Allard so I guess I'll still do it.

 

[DocLeaf]

the results from there tests in controled enviroments showed that the genome was not modified but genes that were thought of as junk and being no longer relevant at this stage of the organisms evolution became activated,,,,, plants started to show traits which were believed to be extinct.,,,,,,helow baby

Any large population of plants will show 'rogue plants' ,, the more open the line the more rogues/variation between siblings is displayed. It's not that these recessive characteristics are not displayed in smaller populations, rather that they are easier to spot in the crowd.

Hope this helps

 

[nvisionary]

How efficient is selection on mere 10 inch seedlings that are packed in a tent, competing for light, air and space, and never getting to grow like they would in practice, -indoors and outdoors?

Then to be pollinated by males that were grown in ANOTHER (probably equally compromised) environment???

(experimental errors)

How is yield evaluated in a setting where the yield is in the order of 1/2 oz's, give or take 0.5g?

(experimental errors)



e.e + e.e.= - progress from selection

Oh well, keep the Faith, man.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

What if there were 2000 ten inch seedlings?

 

[DocLeaf]

A population of siblings is a population of siblings,, regardless of who, where, how, and when they are grown. 2 inch or ten foot. Within the seed lot each plant will show if but very slight variation. Depending on how homogeneous the line is,, then the less variation is displayed in visible traits.

For example,,

GDS Angel Dust was almost spirit-level homogeneous over x100 sibling plants.
Nirvana Haze19 xSkunk was all over the shop,, from 3ft to 6ft over x100 siblings.

Both gave nice male plants ,, as breeders we'd look to select the best male plants from either batch ,, and then perpetuate this aspect in lineage

 

[Tom Hill]

Nvisionary,

If that was directed towards me then you've gone off the mark due entirely to your false assumptions - yet again, too much. I am not currently evaluating anything that would be particularly acted upon by competition ime, nor are males being grown at a separate location, nor was the particular goal of population improvement on the chalkboard during those (slightly modified) open pollinations. What you seem to be referring to were a couple of lines that I and many others have been growing for decades in several locations - indoors and out. Individuals exhibiting resin quantity/quality are being set aside/kept as clones for further selections/testing/eval - that's all man.

GitT,

Correct regarding the reason I cut back/prune the earliest males some - just before they shed. I do not cull them, just trying for a more even pollen spread. Removing all males prior to pollen shed for collecting (away from the females is all that was meant by a separate location) an even pollen mix is even better. Both are better than just letting it all fly in close quarters imo. -T

 

[englishrick]

The best breeders set high goals of limited scope and adhere to their ideals.

oh well,,,,back to me own thread,,,,,gona start with chapter 1 "darwin" very soon,,,,,,

check you later lads ,,,,have fun





The Robbert W Allard Thread,,,,,,,,,
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=147596