Chem Dog look out there's a new kid in the garden!

[Your Own Mind]

Nice looking plant but i think your just growing out protental hermie stock from bagseed. If you bought it at a dispensery it def didnt get pollenated by a male therefore its hermied. Hermie genetics is never good

If you start breeding with that plant i hope the hermie side doesnt come out!

 

[Blanco.]

Are you trying to insult me? WTF I check a thread that I reply too after seeing that others have posted, and notice my post is gone, so you accuse of me of doing something as humiliating as reading my own posts?? What the hell is your problem?... YOU get a life, instead of trying to look smart over the internet, jackass.

Little kid bragging off?? HAHA what the fuck is wrong with you? How can you possibly come to that baseless conclusion? You're the one who is "bragging off" , fucking fagget is that the best you can do?

Anyway, the point of my original post was that just because you found a bagseed and it is growing perfectly normal DOES NOT mean it is the next elite... As you see where I was quoted earlier, you (thundurkle, the all-mighty one, master of ganja) just sound like a cocky douchebag trying to hype something that looks average at best. Respected name?? That speaks poorly of this website if that is really true....LOL And since I say the F work means I'm angry? Nice work, you not only are the best weed grower but also a damn good psychologist.

NOW as I also stated earlier, I do wish you best of luck and hope it turns out spectacular, got a problem with that? Bagseeds are great, some are winners, but a lot aren't.

Lmao, im just dieing here. Why the hell would you think my post whas pointed to you? It's under Thunderfcks post, it has nothing to do with urs . You said it urself, he's acting cocking, doesnt it make sense that my post is pointed out to him? I dont even fucking know you.

My posts got deleted to over and over again on my old account, thats why i made this one.

 

[headfortrinity]

Lmao, im just dieing here. Why the hell would you think my post whas pointed to you? It's under Thunderfcks post, it has nothing to do with urs . You said it urself, he's acting cocking, doesnt it make sense that my post is pointed out to him? I dont even fucking know you.

My posts got deleted to over and over again on my old account, thats why i made this one.

Maybe there is a good reason for this

 

[Thundurkel]

Yup must be Clowntown or that other troll I had...

 

[tomsawyer]

This thread delivers!

 

[grow1620]

She's looking great Thundurkel. Best of luck bro I hope she turns out to be exactly what you're looking for.

lol @ the troll fight...

 

[master shake]

My bad Blanco, I really thought that response was directed at me.

All I was doing was explaining that you should have no reason to believe that this plant will be the next Chem dog. Give me a break, ok it's possible, but really? Are you that immature to go starting bragging threads with no base whatsoever? Now if you said "here is a bagseed plant I have, hope it turns out good, what do yall think" or something of that nature then there would be no problem. But coming out and expressing such delusional ideas that you have the best new strain of the decade base off of nothing just makes you seem like a complete idiot. OR maybe I'm the idiot...maybe it make perfect sense as to why this is better than Chem dog. I guess I'm too close minded, you know, "7 in 7" as you say is a good sign of things to come! And that weed plant has frost, therefore it is the best dank on earth...I'll accept that someday maybe, and remain jealous until then.

I'm not attacking you Thundurkle, without endeavors such as yours none of this weed would be here today. That said, I still wish you luck and do hope for not only your sake but EVERY stoner's sake that it is some super potent shit! But i still have the right to disagree with your approach and that's what I've been trying to get across.

Call me a troll all you want, it really hurts my feelings and makes you all look really cool and superior. Seriously though I will be surprised if this thread still gets attention in the next couple days and would be very shocked if you even do a smoke report on this "next big thing"


good day!

 

[SOTF420]

Back in the day I used to love hitting some buds with a little random pollen on a few branches just so people smoking it later could find some good seeds and think they just discovered America. (and have a chance to grow their own) Just because you don't know the true lineage and found it in a bag of pot does not give you the right to claim it as your own "elite clone" and push it on the scene setting everyone up for some amazing new cannabis discovery that is nothing more than another genetic shuffle.

What did you do other than buy some pot and grow the seeds from it? People have been doing that for 40+ years. It honestly just looks like everything else I have seen from drug grade cannabis genes. So you must have the next Cannabis Cup winner there for sure bro, lol.

The whole Chemdawg fiasco is so silly too imo, very good marketing though for seed sales.
Every single pot seed has a story behind it, but half of what you hear is hype.

I can only imagine what your reaction would be to growing some real elite seeds. You would probably rename them your own and go tell everyone it's your miracle strain.

In all fairness, I totally support your enthusiasm and efforts. Good karma to you but I am brutally honest and you are surely jumping the gun. The title of your thread puts Chemdawg on some pot pedestal to begin with which I think is total bullshit anyways. Skunk #1 even blows away Chemdawg any day of the week on all sides of the dice. So do about a dozen other strains for indoor growing. It's surely not the top of the mountain to say the very least.

 

[BKindication]

Thundurkel--First off, I wanna say that I respect your work and I'm not trying to talk shit. And my hope is that this doesn't get edited out because I'm trying to be constructive. But something is confused here, and I think it is your understanding of breeding basics. There is more to elite cuts than just finding a good pheno from seed and refusing to make more seeds of it.

This "strain" you have is Oregon Grape. I'm not sure if this is a stabilized local PK type cultivar like the Mendo Purps or whatever but whether it's something available in clubs and seedbanks or just locally in Oregon, there's enough of it out there on the market that it has made it's way down to Sac-town. As others have stated if it had been a female that hermied, you would not have grown the male (all progeny of intersexed females will be female). So right off the bat you had some male pollen donor. It could have been another Orgeon Grape. It could have been another strain that grower had in the same field. Or it could have pollen floating around on the wind from another outdoor grow (if you got the bud for $25/3.5g and the trim job sucked it was probably outdoor).

7 seeds out of 7 grams isn't a sign, it means there was probably a lot more seeds than that. I usually find like 3 seeds per pound, not 3 per 3g. If you had a larger amount like a quarter pound of something amazing and you found one seed formed by intersexing, that would be special. The seed would be a female and you'd have no way to keep that female around but to clone and create mothers, since there would be no male breeding material. Clone only strain. This has happened to me, and if I had a male of the same pheno to create seeds I would have, especially if my goal was to spread the strain.

So, what would make this anything like an "elite" cutting like Chemdawg? Whoever grew the stuff you got the seeds from certainly has either a mother plant of the strain and plenty of seeds (approx 1 per gram that they grew, by your numbers). And for something to be an elite cutting it must be available as a clone only. But that is not true since at least one grower is making traditional seeds of it, whether intentional or not.

The weed you smoked may have been exceptional, but there isn't any guarantee that those seeds will be phenotypically similar to the weed you smoked since you have no clue as to the genotypes of the parents. So it seems you've got a great pheno you want to start cloning out and (hopefully) sharing. But you don't seem to have something unique that isn't available to anyone else who might have bought that cheap weed and grown out the seeds.


Besides that I have no clue why you'd want to create an "elite" line when other breeders like Rez are doing their best to isolate the elite genetics in crosses and create seeds of the elite lines so they are more widely available. The creation of clone only strains is bad for the genepool and the advancement of breeding. Think about the crosses that might be around today if ChemDog the grower had been able to create seeds of the ChemDawgD pheno. With most of the elite lines, they are available as clone because there was no male to pair the pheno with. You got a male of a similar pheno, why wouldn't you have made seeds if you really want to perpetuate this line? Is that really your goal or do you just want to create some sort of cache?

In short I guess, very nice bagseed plant, I would either reveg and keep it as a mother for your personal collection or grow more of those seeds and find a male to keep the line around. But not an elite cut or anything like that. We have enough lines that have unfortunately become elite through breeding misfortunes, there's no need to create one artificially. And if you are serious about starting a seed company, read up on Gregor Mendel and your punnet's squares and make sure you have a lot of space. Real breeding requires much more selection than one seed being grown.

 

[Thundurkel]

I appreciate all your guys comments and would like to point out why is it such a big deal that I bought my bag at a club? What Chems bag wasn't a established strain? What gives him the right how is it any different? Just cuz he was at a concert and didn't get it from a legal dispensary therefore it's ok? Also as for making seeds I tried and fucked it up!!! I posted the photo's and you seen how small the pot was gimme a break... Also I've known that SHHC renames shit sometimes cuz they has Casey Jones my boy dropped on em labeled as Train Wreck Haze along with some Master Kush being labeled Juicy Fruit x Erkle so it's very possible this strain is something entirely different... I also wouldn't grow out seeds from Sub Cool and name them something different so that comment was funny to me I do my best to hunt down the origins of the strains I hold cuz I HATE repeat HATE MISLABELED CUTS!!!! I agree I may have made the thread a bit too early but I wanted folks to see it happen along with me.. Also I guess I have my own personal issues with Chem Dog cuz my older grower buddies who got me into this shit dick ride that shit SOOOOOOO much and swear that Chem91 and ECSD are just the best in the world blah blah blah blah and always braggin about how dank the Chem91 was hyped the fuck outta the shit and when I finally got this magical bag of pot I was VERY disappointed to say the least and it was grown out properly under 1ks in coco beds and it barely made me cough! Unlike my Thunder Goo which puts me on my ass!!! So since I read up on ChemDog like I said I've been hoping to find a seed or some seeds that will blow that shit out bong water! Hopefully I did and the reason to put the clone out first is cuz I don't have the room for proper selection ect and I want to do shit right... Also if a plant gets pollinated from a male in another garden for example and I get that bud and instead of tossing the seeds grow em out how the fuck can I not claim them as my strains??? Unless the grower did it purposely and had the seeds for sell they are mine! Point I'm making is if Chem Dog can do it why can't I? What is the difference? What since we all seem to be 215rs these days that makes it different and the seeds I found aren't significant?

 

[SOTF420]

Only time will tell dude, that's the point. You are premature ejaculating here.

 

[reservationlabs]

Sorry for entering your thread again. I had asked some questions in an early post but none were answered.

You say that how can Chemdog (the man) call a plants that he got from seeds in a bag of pot at a Dead concert Chemdog (the strain)? I didn't know that Chemdog himself named the strain Chemdog. I thought other people named the strain Chemdog and thus the man became Chemdog. I am sure I am wrong on that though.

Also I thought (won't say assume because I don't want to make an ass out of me and u or anyone else) that the people whom grew and created Chemdog (the people Chemdog got the weed from) disappeared and no longer carried the strain and that is why it became "rare"/"elite". Because it was no longer readily available. Thus when it resurfaced years and years and years later it was remembered and thus the hype/craze.

So isn't the difference that Chemdog was a lost strain no longer grown or bred. And your strain is something that is still being readily grown, sold and distributed thoughout the Northwest and Westcoast by the Original creators and/or Growers?

I also create strains (I am in no way shape or form a breeder) of which I feel benefit the Cannabis community as medicine. So I applaude you in your creations (keep creating), but isn't this already a strain owned by someone else?

 

[Babbabud]

Some awful big shoes to fill ...ChemD ive been growing for a few years and she just never seems to quit impressing me . Great full melt dry sieve to go along with great full melt bubble

 

[Thundurkel]

Hahahah I know big shoes indeed I also was laughed at about the DrBud method and came out a winner and have a lovely perpetual system going with all kinds of strains. So I believe when I set out to do something with all my heart I usually come out ahead and hope that's the case here if not I don't care...
As for the strain being grown and readily available it's not, at least I haven't been able to find info on it. Closest I've heard was Oregon Blueberry and that's usually all I find when I search Oregon Grape so for all we know this shit could've been some Grape Ape grown in Oregon outdoor that got hit by a male of who knows what lol But lets all hope this bitch is something special cuz I'm no hoarder and believe Cannabis is the cure all plant and hope to get to be a part of a strain that helps relieve people of symptoms that bother their lives. So if this girl is a keeper which so far she is she keeps packing on the trichs and to some that's no biggie but I haven't come across very many frosty strains that weren't any good so that's sign number one for me. She also clones VERY easily I mean any dip shit with a oasis cube water and rooting gel can get this girl to root in 10 days... The other thing I like is the sturdiness of this lady her stalks are nice and thick and she tripples her size when flowered and so far the sweet spot for micro growers is 4.5"-5" the one that was 5.5" grew too tall... The smell is a skunky grape type berry scent with undertones of a haze like scent well at least the way my SSH smell but only very little it's more fruit than anything it'll be interesting to see how she does in my tent under a 400w HPS

 

[headfortrinity]

That's why the Afganistans are pissed off at us, we renamed their strains!

 

[Thundurkel]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hahahaha that's funny.

 

[BKindication]

Also if a plant gets pollinated from a male in another garden for example and I get that bud and instead of tossing the seeds grow em out how the fuck can I not claim them as my strains??? Unless the grower did it purposely and had the seeds for sell they are mine! Point I'm making is if Chem Dog can do it why can't I? What is the difference? What since we all seem to be 215rs these days that makes it different and the seeds I found aren't significant?

Actually if the pollen was from another garden, it would make it an F1 hybrid, highly unstable, nothing resembling what we call "strains" (that term isn't used in other genetic engineering). The point everyone is making is you aren't doing any work. You aren't changing anything about this plant. You aren't breeding. So you can't call it your strain. It's an unstable cross of an Oregon Grape female and an unkown male.

The weed Chem got his seeds from was just a bag of some dude's local homegrown that he got at a Dead show. This was in the days before seedbanks were online and genetics were able to be spread so easily. In those days many unique local cultivars were available. Still are, but of course since these forums are run by a seed company the emphasis will be on commercial seeds. It wasn't a known variety with a name grown commercially like Maui Wowie or Acupulco Gold or Oregon Purple. It was something unique that had developed in that climate for generations and interbred within it's own genetic pool to reinforce those genes. There were several phenos of the ChemDawg weed. Chem91 isn't the original pheno, ChemDawgD is the original pheno. That is very different from your situation.

If you've been disappointed by the Chem you're smoking from the clubs out there I suggest you come out here to the East Coast and I'll smoke you out on the Chem I've got now. Every hit gets me as stoned as the first day I smoked. Cats out there are probably just trying to call some indica ChemDawg to get a higher price from dispensaries. Like I said, Chem the grower keeps very close tabs on the real genetics. Luckily most of those guys still live around here so we get the authorized Chem. But a reality you'll have to face is that creating an elite line is just setting yourself up for knockoff artists.

 

[guest1ab]

Do your thang, Durkel.

 

[BKindication]

I understand what you mean about the hype around Chem rubbing you the wrong way. In all reality we should be celebrating the guy who sold Chem the bag, but he's anonymous. But why would you wanna spite the guy by doing the exact same thing as him?

You seem like a guy who has high expectations. That's not a bad thing. I bet when you buy seedbank seeds you expect a lot and have gotten to the point where you don't disappoint yourself.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe the fact that you had lower expectations for this strain based on what you smoked and the fact that, early on, you're surprising yourself has led you to readjust your expectations to this being the holy grail of weed?

 

[Jnugg]

Not a breeder but the way I look at it.....you start with purchasing landrace genetics or travel and acquire them from the edges of the world yourself.
Then you grow these seeds out,culling all weak plants.You continue to grow them out,cross them to another landrace....keep growing out,keep crossing and incrossing.....then,AND ONLY THEN,is the strain "YOUR" strain.

Just to clarify...I am not hating on you Thundurkel and as a fellow grower I only wish you the best.


BTW...plants are looking real nice!