What Male to use in a cross?

[Sideshow-Bob]

I completely disagree, use a proven clone already for bud, do not use a 1:1 mating to try and find the one etc

And i completely disagree on this, if all people stop growing seeds and only grow the same old boring clones we would lose a lot and not develop, and you can't grow clones forever, they get sick, lost in busts, carry resistent-bugs etc, and they get old you can't copy anything in nature without it degradading, that's why we get old and die, the cells can't copy themselfs forever

clones are as much a blessing as a curse for cannabis, due to clones many forget the importance of stable and healthy seedlines until it is too late...

same goes for poly-hybrids and fem. seeds, imho

 

[spliphy]

natural cannabis

natural cannabis

Hi URUK,

I think first we need to stop people using bad breeding practice, ie all 1:1 matings etc that we see and all the poly seed swapping..

all natural cannabis seed is 1:1 mating....if you use many parents all the seeds will be still 1:1 matings...you will just not know which parents they were from unless you are very rigorous in your isolations...then you have a long journey of generational selection for a goal or goals...which may or may not turnout positively

many breeding strategies exist for virtually every crop...cannabis is unique as a plant in many aspects and no clear "one best" strategy has ever been devised and published to my knowledge...and I doubt ever will

what is poly seed swapping?

peace

 

[URUK]

you advocate 1:1 matings then say this

due to clones many forget the importance of stable and healthy seedlines until it is too late...

a healthy seedline from 1:1 matings not IMO, if its all about bud, then selfing and producing a fem seedline is a better option especially with a proven clone.

 

[URUK]

what is poly seed swapping?

polyhybrid seed swapping

all natural cannabis seed is 1:1 mating....if you use many parents all the seeds will be still 1:1 matings...you will just not know which parents they were from unless you are very rigorous in your isolations...then you have a long journey of generational selection for a goal or goals...which may or may not turnout positively

I'm aware of the above, And I'm rigorous I also like to have stock backed up etc I put preservation first.

 

[whodair]

none of that 1:1 shit. i used 2 males...fuck em

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

yeah and i'm good with that... if you do real breeding you know that you always have to save the recources so that you can start over, but the goal for many when making seeds is to create something new, now take ssh or any other proven hybrid, there's absolutely nothing wrong with creating such strains when the origins are kept pure...

with healthy seedline refering to exactly this original genetics from which one creates hybrids... if you want to create a new stable line for further breeding from a hybrid you are right of course then 1:1 may be a disadvantage...

but there always will be created seeds using only one pair of parents for growing for buds and many with very good results, and there's nothing wrong with that!

 

[URUK]

but there always will be created seeds using only one pair of parents for growing for buds and many with very good results, and there's nothing wrong with that!

again I disagree if you have moved a line down its path, why would you just need to use one male making a hybrid? if both lines have been moved properly, there is no reason to use 1:1, the more used the better chance of recombination

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

have you ever made any seeds yourself? even if you cross two parents of "stable strains" you get a varietion of expression... ever wondered why haze x skunk is sold as a different line than skunk x haze?

 

[VerdantGreen]

very interesting discussion, not quite sure why Chimera doesnt offer more landraces or IBL's in his range given his opinions.

all plants that are useful - even just for decorative purposes - are crossed and selfed by man and generally some new varieties emerge with something better to offer. can anyone give me an example of a plant species that has somehow been ruined due to this? i cant think of one. sh1te seed strains surely will fade away whilst good new strains will stick around.

i fully intend to make some of my own seeds, in fact ive made a few small batches already and look forward to testing them to see if they have any improvements over their parents. i'm also making f2's of stuff so i can look for phenos out of that. if anyone reallly wants me to desist from this then they are welcome to send me, free of charge, some excellent genetics that will make me never feel the need to try something new ever again

V.

 

[nvisionary]

If you think there is still genes to explore in the drug gene pool, then youre a newbie. I have seen almost all the circulating genetic diversity and most of the permutations that typically arise out of the circulating genetic diversity. The gene pool is finite. It is not HUGE AND IMMENSE, rather it is comparitively SMALL against the genetic diversity of many other species in this world. The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners. It probably looks infinite to people who are commenting against genetic conservation here or saying they have just made their first seeds...but it is NOT. The gene pool is ALL IN and the only thing left is a slow process of gene losses....wow, this is like discussing american history at a daycare. Ok kids..remember the Mayflower? yes, good..it WAS a big boat..ok, end of lesson kids..lets go to recess. teacher needs a valium...lol

 

[whodair]

If you think there is still genes to explore in the drug gene pool, then youre a newbie. I have seen almost all the circulating genetic diversity and most of the permutations that typically arise out of the circulating genetic diversity. The gene pool is finite. It is not HUGE AND IMMENSE, rather it is comparitively SMALL against the genetic diversity of many other species in this world. The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners. It probably looks infinite to people who are commenting against genetic conservation here or saying they have just made their first seeds...but it is NOT. The gene pool is ALL IN and the only thing left is a slow process of gene losses....wow, this is like discussing american history at a daycare. Ok kids..remember the Mayflower? yes, good..it WAS a big boat..ok, end of lesson kids..lets go to recess. teacher needs a valium...lol

you been smokin some bland shitty landrace hemp? cuz you whine like a bitch

 

[cobcoop]

The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners.

I'll take stoners over Monsanto any day of the week.

 

[Chauncy]

As much as chauncy has took viagra for chim, he/she has also made some valid points.

First things first... being a gay male that is comfortable with my sexuality, I am not comfortable with this comment here or a couple of others you and some have made. Can we perhaps remain adult and keep cheesy sexual innuendo out of the conversation?

Second, I want to apologize to Chimera for calling him a ripoff. I was speaking for somebody else and should never do that. That somebody else has contacted me and told me that I didn't have all the facts to what I was talking about. For that I am sorry.

I would still like Chimera to come and explain to all of us why he is so different than the rest when it comes to his practices. Chimera, just re-read your posts and then think about yourself and see how you have no right to talk to others and about other's work in the manner that you do.

 

[spliphy]

every ovule and pollen grain distinct

every ovule and pollen grain distinct

1 male: millions of pollen grains all similar but distinct from each other genetically

1 female: maybe a thousand ovules similar but distinct from each other genetically

possibility also that genetic damage or other conditions may occur in growing seed to further change its makeup

 

[VerdantGreen]

If you think there is still genes to explore in the drug gene pool, then youre a newbie. I have seen almost all the circulating genetic diversity and most of the permutations that typically arise out of the circulating genetic diversity. The gene pool is finite. It is not HUGE AND IMMENSE, rather it is comparitively SMALL against the genetic diversity of many other species in this world. The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners. It probably looks infinite to people who are commenting against genetic conservation here or saying they have just made their first seeds...but it is NOT. The gene pool is ALL IN and the only thing left is a slow process of gene losses....wow, this is like discussing american history at a daycare. Ok kids..remember the Mayflower? yes, good..it WAS a big boat..ok, end of lesson kids..lets go to recess. teacher needs a valium...lol

im not sure if there are undiscovered genes to explore, but im certain there will be new combinations of genes to explore. would you not agree that many modern cannabis varieties are more potent than the old landraces? (not that potency is everything) are you telling me that no-one will ever come up with a new, good, strain of weed?

this whole thing of saying I can do this but you can't - just doesnt wash with me i'm afraid. as far as i'm concerned there are the things i can do and the things i have never done before. i dont do 'cant do'

lastly, if you really want to to convince people about this then a less arrogent and more personable approach might help you. the way you've come accross in this discussion would probably make people want to make their own amateur crosses JUST to piss you off. you may be the best breeder in the world but if you cant argue your case without alienating people then what is the use??

sincerely

V.

 

[URUK]

First things first... being a gay male that is comfortable with my sexuality, I am not comfortable with this comment here or a couple of others you and some have made. Can we perhaps remain adult and keep cheesy sexual innuendo out of the conversation?

get of your high horse, I do not care about your sexuality, if you have taken that comment like that, thats your problem not mine, besides which how would I know what sex you are, nevermind your sexuality, especially since I have no clue who you are...

Don't be shy Shirlock, who am I? This should be funny

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

If you think there is still genes to explore in the drug gene pool, then youre a newbie. I have seen almost all the circulating genetic diversity and most of the permutations that typically arise out of the circulating genetic diversity. The gene pool is finite. It is not HUGE AND IMMENSE, rather it is comparitively SMALL against the genetic diversity of many other species in this world. The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners. It probably looks infinite to people who are commenting against genetic conservation here or saying they have just made their first seeds...but it is NOT. The gene pool is ALL IN and the only thing left is a slow process of gene losses....wow, this is like discussing american history at a daycare. Ok kids..remember the Mayflower? yes, good..it WAS a big boat..ok, end of lesson kids..lets go to recess. teacher needs a valium...lol

that's just plain wrong, there is an infinte number of possible gen-combinations found in the seeds...

and if you think you can explore the whole cannabis gene-pool in a man's lifetime i call you the noob

you even can buy seeds that have never been touched by any stoner hacks except for those that cultivate the strain for centuries in it's natural enviroment... if you don't like how everybody else does it do it better yourself - but i somehow doubt we will see something constructive by you...

 

[URUK]

have you ever made any seeds yourself? even if you cross two parents of "stable strains" you get a varietion of expression... ever wondered why haze x skunk is sold as a different line than skunk x haze?

yes I make seeds, although I see no correlation between skunk x haze and haze x skunk to this discussion, a certain line can have dominance on one sex more than another for various reasons, ask Tom Hill about DC and Haze...

 

[medi-useA]

While you guys are discussing this, could you clear something up for me please?
Do males or females have a tendency to pass certain dominant or recessive traits? IE: Males pass height or 'squatness' easier than females....or Females pass more thc or trichome development genes than males etc...? or tolerances or purpling?

or is it,@the end, just a cointoss?

muA

 

[mean mr.mustard]

If you think there is still genes to explore in the drug gene pool, then youre a newbie. I have seen almost all the circulating genetic diversity and most of the permutations that typically arise out of the circulating genetic diversity. The gene pool is finite. It is not HUGE AND IMMENSE, rather it is comparitively SMALL against the genetic diversity of many other species in this world. The reason you dont see genetic degredation in other plant species is because those species are not OVER-manipulated by stoners. It probably looks infinite to people who are commenting against genetic conservation here or saying they have just made their first seeds...but it is NOT. The gene pool is ALL IN and the only thing left is a slow process of gene losses....wow, this is like discussing american history at a daycare. Ok kids..remember the Mayflower? yes, good..it WAS a big boat..ok, end of lesson kids..lets go to recess. teacher needs a valium...lol

:jawdrop:

Thanks prof, but I think I'll get my information from reality. Whatever psychosis you are in is bound to worsen... I believe I've seen enough here.