Colorado Growers Thread

[HossCartwright]

I'm turning anywhere from 8-16oz on DWC and 4-8oz on hydro. I give most of it away. Some of the people I'm taking care of really need it and I don't mind as long as I can cover my costs. These people are my friends. Making a little extra once in a while is nice and yeah that goes on my taxes. I have done blind taste tests between the soil and hydro (clones from the same mom) and more than half of the "test subjects" picked the hydro over the soil. I think soil is easier but if you are meticulous and take your time hydro can be just as good. As a guitarist I can relate this to the old tube amp vs. solid state argument and it really is a matter of personal preference. I think most of the taste/smell/burn quality comes from good flushing and the curing process. It takes time. Some times I cure for up to 6 or 8 weeks (if i can hold on to it for that long) but the average cure time for me is 4 weeks. I think the longer you can cure it the better. In glass jars in a dark cool place it will keep for a very long time without degrading in quality.

To each their own I guess. I know people that insist they can't taste the difference between flushed/unflushed. Sounds crazy to me as I totally can.

Here is a question that came across my mind the other day. I have extra space waiting to be used and cash to throw down on new equipment but I want to stay legal so I need a few more patients. Someone offered to sell me patients for $350 each for one year. That is extortion if you asked me but my question is: is that legal? I don't think people's legal rights should be bought and sold like a commodity. This kind of business transaction seems shady. Can't those people choose to change caregivership any time they want? Happy tokin

Super shady IMHO. Those are the types of capitalist caregiver situations that are drawing heat from authorities. I wouldn't put much stock in a patient/license I bought, even if there was a contract in place. The best thing to do is to just network for your patients the old fashioned way and then develop an ongoing relationship with them.

 

[HossCartwright]

A lot of these local policies individual cities are adopting on their own in "emergency" meetings seems to be pretty illegal, i.e. in violation of the state constitution, no? Is it legal for the town of Boulder or Greeley to call a meeting and make it a law that dispensaries can't open in their towns? WTF is going on?

 

[mtn121]

Kelly- If its just a small amount you should be able to claim it on your taxes the same way you would claim money from a hobby or yard sale. When you file your taxes it ask you if you have received or made any other money this year. You might be able to claim it there. You should address that with your accountant. The tax id's and business permit is really cheap. You can form an LLC on legalzoom for $150 or buy a packet and do it for $60. You kind find all the information you need to start a business on the colorado small business website. Could set it all up for less than $300.

 

[urbangardenCO]

A lot of these local policies individual cities are adopting on their own in "emergency" meetings seems to be pretty illegal, i.e. in violation of the state constitution, no? Is it legal for the town of Boulder or Greeley to call a meeting and make it a law that dispensaries can't open in their towns? WTF is going on?

i agree . can anybody tell us WTF???

 

[cobcoop]

i agree . can anybody tell us WTF???

Unfortunately the law does not address dispensaries, so cities can ban them based on local zoning laws etc. They cannot however prohibit patients from obtaining meds from their caregivers.

Greeley is fucked up, the same night the banned dispensaries from operating, they passed an ordinance which said that any caregiver providing medicine to a patient in Greeley has to pay City sales tax. We'll see how much revenue they get from that shit. 'Hey we don't want you here, but if you find a way to serve our citizens, you'd better pay up'

 

[brahloradoFunk]

Hey all! How do I subscribe to this thread? Thanks

 

[Surrender]

Patients are technically responsible for paying use taxes on all medicine purchases that don't include sales tax. I doubt anyone is paying it though.

 

[svaldezcdxx]

hello all from the SW I'm pretty new here but love all the great info. Anyway, so do places that sell natural herbs have to pay "use taxes" on natural/homeopathic medicines they sell? The govt, be it local or state (or even fed for that matter) are freakin' gangsters. All they really care about is the almighty dollar. I wonder whats going to happen when they tally all the taxes they (local, state, even fed) collect in the next few years. And as far as being f'd up...how about the shady ass CDPHE trying to slip one by. Glad the Denver judge overturned that. At least we have a few weeks to get the word out to show up, email, make our call-in, or whatever by Dec 16 (think thats the date might have to recheck).

 

[attila76]

Actually its cheaper than that. $0.05/klhr is an industrial rate. Residential is like $0.03 What you saw was part of an estimate I did for a different setting...
Excel has a rate chart Check it out here:http://www.xcelenergy.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/docs/COBusRates.pdf

Attila- Where did you get the .05 KWH price? Do you get that from your power bill seems cheap. As far as I know there are no current regulations in Denver. You could use a patient caregiver agreement to protect yourself from a lot of liabilities you should look into it. When I said permits I was referring to a business license, sales tax id, and Federal tax id. How are you paying taxes on the money you make. You can register everything to a PO box for security reasons.

I am going to sit with a great lawyer in the coming weeks to discuss the current interpretations of the laws in Denver. Worst thing right now is that it seems they are only interpretations there is so much gray area. I need to protect my investments.

Also anyone have any information of insurance companies to cover liability insurance for a warehouse grow?

 

[attila76]

Regarding security protocols:

Due to Amendment 20 here in Colorado mmj growers have no need to fear loss of their freedom so long as they are:

1- not exceeding their statutory limits i.e. 3v+3f =6/ 2oz usable meds per patient.
2- have a genuine relationship with their patients.

Given this massive reduction in the risk of growing what risk mitigation protocols should be adopted if -

1- wife and children live on site.
2- people are nearly always home.
3- you live in a safe neighborhood.
4- you have web cams and motion detector alarms.
5- do not associate or do business with "criminal types." (sorry no offense intended criminal types).

Really I don't like to live a secret life. I really like what I do and want to be both smart and open.

Should I be paranoid, secretive?

If so why?

Thinking critically... how much of a risk is this when police are no longer the enemy, and likely protectors? Doesn't the risk equation change in light of Amendment 20?

 

[Balazar]

I have been doing a lot of poking around. It seems that most of the legitimate dispensaries don't ask for caregivership. They just maintain as many patients as they need to conduct business and buy from vendors as they need product. I met several different crazy russian people. They were kinda sketch and I don't believe they were conducting any legal business at all I went through every ad in westword and found maybe 5 ads from the four pages of "alternative medicine" section that were friendly and adamant about obeying the laws. The rest were... well... lest than upstanding. I stopped at a small dispensary on Broadway with a giant pot leaf sign out front that used to be a used car dealership and witnessed some illegal things happen that made me want to get the hell out of there ASAP. Now I know why the city is so damn concerned about this whole thing. I'm a little dismayed but I'm not giving up on this movement. If our state government doesn't do something soon to regulate this in a fair and sensible way I can see disaster on the horizon. Maine and Oregon have good models. Why can't we? I'm going to continue looking for patients without going into the questionable gray areas and that means I will be making some new friends. That can't be a bad thing right? Stay legal and stay safe The last thing I want if for this ship to sink on us because of a few greedy people. Let's think about the other people in our community before making rash decisions out of greed or anger that could hurt others. Peace and

 

[attila76]

Boycott the Slime!

Boycott the Slime!

In total agreement. Ya, I know which one you are talking about. There are several on that block in a row, packed like sardines, and they look SUPER SKETCHY!

Wish I could name names... but guys please don't give a dime to these establishments that make MMJ look shady and dirty.

hows this for a slogan: BOYCOTT THE SLIME!

I have been doing a lot of poking around. It seems that most of the legitimate dispensaries don't ask for caregivership. They just maintain as many patients as they need to conduct business and buy from vendors as they need product. I met several different crazy russian people. They were kinda sketch and I don't believe they were conducting any legal business at all I went through every ad in westword and found maybe 5 ads from the four pages of "alternative medicine" section that were friendly and adamant about obeying the laws. The rest were... well... lest than upstanding. I stopped at a small dispensary on Broadway with a giant pot leaf sign out front that used to be a used car dealership and witnessed some illegal things happen that made me want to get the hell out of there ASAP. Now I know why the city is so damn concerned about this whole thing. I'm a little dismayed but I'm not giving up on this movement. If our state government doesn't do something soon to regulate this in a fair and sensible way I can see disaster on the horizon. Maine and Oregon have good models. Why can't we? I'm going to continue looking for patients without going into the questionable gray areas and that means I will be making some new friends. That can't be a bad thing right? Stay legal and stay safe The last thing I want if for this ship to sink on us because of a few greedy people. Let's think about the other people in our community before making rash decisions out of greed or anger that could hurt others. Peace and

 

[Balazar]

Here are some newer pics.

 

[Kelly.]

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[orpanic]

How long do you flush kelly?
those harvested nugs seem to have a bunch of N left in them...any problems with taste of chlorophyll?

 

[Kelly.]

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[orpanic]

It's not the hps.
the leaf around the nugs look dark green, and not lime/light green...the smoke will be harsher when it is darker, smoother when lighter.
I don't do hydro, but I would recommend a 2+ week flush.
You can use the clearex if you'd like, but I would just use water the last week or so. keep up the good work.. try soil/soiless/coco with a plant, you might like it better than hydro..

 

[svaldezcdxx]

Hey Kelly, Orpanic is right about the lights and everything else. I run hydro myself but was a dirtbagger for awhile. Soil, I would just use straight water the last two weeks (though I know some people that don't flush at all...personally, I think you should flush no matter what medium). I was told that clearex is better for soil flush and Final Flush for Hydro. And you want to run the final flush for the last one or two days (according to the directions on the bottle, but I like to run it for a week and haven't seen any ill effects as of yet). whatever you do, have fun

 

[DankHank]

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[svaldezcdxx]

Hank, love the bud porn, had to wipe the drool off the key board.