i used to grow hydro but now stick to soil , chem and organic , i get far more even growth from soil and more yield per area not plant .
Are you getting more than 1 gram per watt? Tell us how!
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i used to grow hydro but now stick to soil , chem and organic , i get far more even growth from soil and more yield per area not plant .
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DHF
1.5-2 grams per watt is what`s available with increased plant numbers in vertical rack/shelf rooms with only 3-600`s on top of each other in 6 x 6 rooms but only with monocropping and specific dialed strains......3-1000`s on top of each other makes for bigger rooms with even more plants so it`s all relative but dialing temps , rh , and said strain are paramount in achieving your goals.......
Don`t look at my post count boys .....Vertical bare bulbs blastin sideways at plants on all 4 walls on several levels will give yas the goods.......Done it just can`t show it.......Retired and pissed about it........
Increased plant numbers dictate yield once strains and environment are dialed......period.....
Ya`ll take care......DHF.......
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Don`t look at my post count boys .....Vertical bare bulbs blastin sideways at plants on all 4 walls on several levels will give yas the goods.......Done it just can`t show it.......Retired and pissed about it........
Increased plant numbers dictate yield once strains and environment are dialed......period.....
Ya`ll take care......DHF.......
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DHF, dead head fred? vertical coliseums are pretty ill. i 2nd that. and maybe one of the easier ways to get your GPW and above.
i can say i built a 2 tier stadium 4x8 and i already can tell i can fillll the room much better. As for numbers, not sure yet as this is the first real run with the stadium filled after i bsaicaly took the summer off.
Now wheres that verticle awareness photo? the one with the coliseum vs stadium vs flat grow. Makes a biggggg difference.
Sorry u had to retire so early. i can almost feel you pain....
B-safe
i can say i built a 2 tier stadium 4x8 and i already can tell i can fillll the room much better. As for numbers, not sure yet as this is the first real run with the stadium filled after i bsaicaly took the summer off.
Now wheres that verticle awareness photo? the one with the coliseum vs stadium vs flat grow. Makes a biggggg difference.
Sorry u had to retire so early. i can almost feel you pain....
B-safe
hi mate . when you say linear , do you mean growing in rows lines . and having the lights at an even distance . Tring to remember , so i can undersatnd better , would i be right in thinking linear , is constant and just to leave every thing as it is once set up
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DHF
Yeah Gman......I only had 4 plants on 4 levels on all 4 walls for a total of 64 that finished at 1.5 ozs each more or less and there was still room for plants on the floor that would`ve jumped the yields up at least another 20% ....
I guarantee that at least 120 ozs. could`ve been done minimum with 16 more plants on the floors...But before I could really tweak things a close Bro got snitched on and I hadta shutdown and bail from his hard drive gettin seized.......
98 ozs. +/- using 1800 watts with little to no effort using coco/perlite DTW with WAY too much room for improvement , but all my equipment from buncha flip room`s is sittin in storage gatherin moss ......
It was definitely no fluke or luck cuz all 4 rooms I started with finished within 1/2 oz of each other the very first run staggered every 4 weeks.....Had 8 rooms before shutdown with 2 finishin every cycle .....I did run the same strain though and that seemsta be most folks downfall from wantin all that variety with numbers all over the board once done with no consistency.......MONOCROP for the numbers guys........
I`ve had a good run with no regrets but I never thought I`d go out like this......I`ll grow some headies when shit blows over but with so muchta lose I`m outie and sleepin well these days in my non-friendly state........
Folks..NEVER quit pushin the envelope......Yields have not yet begun to increase exponentially with the proper strain and all your environmental issues dialed.......Just takes more plants........
Peace....Freds..........
I guarantee that at least 120 ozs. could`ve been done minimum with 16 more plants on the floors...But before I could really tweak things a close Bro got snitched on and I hadta shutdown and bail from his hard drive gettin seized.......
98 ozs. +/- using 1800 watts with little to no effort using coco/perlite DTW with WAY too much room for improvement , but all my equipment from buncha flip room`s is sittin in storage gatherin moss ......
It was definitely no fluke or luck cuz all 4 rooms I started with finished within 1/2 oz of each other the very first run staggered every 4 weeks.....Had 8 rooms before shutdown with 2 finishin every cycle .....I did run the same strain though and that seemsta be most folks downfall from wantin all that variety with numbers all over the board once done with no consistency.......MONOCROP for the numbers guys........
I`ve had a good run with no regrets but I never thought I`d go out like this......I`ll grow some headies when shit blows over but with so muchta lose I`m outie and sleepin well these days in my non-friendly state........
Folks..NEVER quit pushin the envelope......Yields have not yet begun to increase exponentially with the proper strain and all your environmental issues dialed.......Just takes more plants........
Peace....Freds...
.......Dankblueberries
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Thanks DHF, I find that very interesting. Vertical bulbs with the rack/shelf set up. I have never tried it, but it sounds like a great innovation. I will definitely look into it, and try it.
Your state will pass some medical initiative also, very soon. At this point the dominoes are falling faster and faster.
Your state will pass some medical initiative also, very soon. At this point the dominoes are falling faster and faster.
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DHF
It`s not very hard to grow a 42 gram dried plant Dankblueberries.......just gotta grow several of em up all 4 walls.........ain`t rocket science..........just increased plant numbers with bare bulbs blastin sideways lumens.....Babyshit.......
I learned this from Heath Robinson`s vertical racks and can`t take credit for shit except doing it...........Dialin temps and RH are paramount along with the proper watts per sq ft...............
Ya`ll make me proud.....DHF.....
I learned this from Heath Robinson`s vertical racks and can`t take credit for shit except doing it...........Dialin temps and RH are paramount along with the proper watts per sq ft...............
Ya`ll make me proud.....DHF.....
george j warner
Member
last grow i got 0.67g/w/month with sharksbreath + co2 ,drip system and under 2x ac 600watt digitals but i did get 1 5 foot plant out of 14 that yeilded 450g lol.... monster .... the only grow i got close to 1g was a 12 x 2-3ft KC33 under 1x 250watt 0.89g/w/month
about 3.5 weeks ago i germinated 3 x BLZbud fem seeds and they are the fastest growing strain i have ever seen. up to about from 3inches with 1's to 10 inches with tight internodes and with 5's in 10 days!!!!!!! and thats in soil!
so might get closer to the 1gram a watt level
about 3.5 weeks ago i germinated 3 x BLZbud fem seeds and they are the fastest growing strain i have ever seen. up to about from 3inches with 1's to 10 inches with tight internodes and with 5's in 10 days!!!!!!! and thats in soil!
so might get closer to the 1gram a watt level
throughout history, small scale intensive farming methods have out-yielded large scale agriculture - why should Mj be any different?
necessity is the mother of invention - growers with small setups have much more incentive to max out the efficiency than the big boys - most large scale grower's will buy a new light to increase their yield. their profit margins are so big anyway - why bother working harder?
to presume there is nothing you can learn from anyone with less than 4k is probably the main reason why some large scale growers will never get as good g/watt as many small scale and cabinet growers.
V.
journeyquest
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If you have the horizantal space and seeds use sea of green. If not and you only have vertical room veg for an extra month or so and supercrop them. These are the best ways i know of. LST seems to net good from what ive seen. I supercropped my 2 Skunk 1 plants and i have more buds than i can count. The plants got up to 5 ft in 3 months of 18hr veg. And this was off one 400w hps. One month to go. Also as someone else said strain is important. Chronic seems to be a good quality yielder. Its on my list.
$$$$ thats the problem with SROG!!! the veg is way to long and sooo its way to expensive
sog is the way to go
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DHF
Grams per watt mean zero unless it`s done in a timely manner where all clone/mother production can be separate from introducing the perfect size plants into your flip rooms where they`ll finish at max 1 month apart and after further dialage with available rooms/locations , every 2 weeks or even the ultimate , every week.......
It`s a formula that tells us how many watts per sq ft it took for "X" amount of yields on a "yearly" basis from how many plants in "X" amount of sq ftg finishing from one harvey to the next.....
Consistency is what matters....Not what you pulled out yer ass on one occasion and have never been able to duplicate..... ........
Pure and simple........There are finite answers but MANY folks have tried to manipulate said variables for their own ego over the yrs........
Now......How can this be done on a regular basis ?.......By having separate mom/clone/pre-veg areas before putting perfect sized "ready" plants into your bloom rooms where you don`t waste ANY time doin anything other than flowering out the perfect sized plants for said room where they don`t overstretch their area/environment and produce accordingly.............
Vertical setups with bare bulbs will pump out the gpw`s but you`ve gotta deal with the increased plant numbers.......Doing smaller numbers decrease your gpw`s while increasing vegtime for the same results....
Thought I`d bump this to increase knowledge instead of speculation and bullshit.........
Peace.....DHF............
It`s a formula that tells us how many watts per sq ft it took for "X" amount of yields on a "yearly" basis from how many plants in "X" amount of sq ftg finishing from one harvey to the next.....
Consistency is what matters....Not what you pulled out yer ass on one occasion and have never been able to duplicate..... ........
Pure and simple........There are finite answers but MANY folks have tried to manipulate said variables for their own ego over the yrs........
Now......How can this be done on a regular basis ?.......By having separate mom/clone/pre-veg areas before putting perfect sized "ready" plants into your bloom rooms where you don`t waste ANY time doin anything other than flowering out the perfect sized plants for said room where they don`t overstretch their area/environment and produce accordingly.............
Vertical setups with bare bulbs will pump out the gpw`s but you`ve gotta deal with the increased plant numbers.......Doing smaller numbers decrease your gpw`s while increasing vegtime for the same results....
Thought I`d bump this to increase knowledge instead of speculation and bullshit.........
Peace.....DHF.....
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humboldtlocal
I have seen a few 2 pound per 1000w grows. They were all under 10k watts. 5x5 wooden beds per 1000watt. Soil and sea of green. 40-50 plants per 1000w. With the right strain it is not that hard. The 5x5 makes it a lot easier. I don't understand why no one makes a 5x5 or 5x10 hydro table. Seams pretty obvious to me.
throughout history, small scale intensive farming methods have out-yielded large scale agriculture - why should Mj be any different?
necessity is the mother of invention - growers with small setups have much more incentive to max out the efficiency than the big boys - most large scale grower's will buy a new light to increase their yield. their profit margins are so big anyway - why bother working harder?
to presume there is nothing you can learn from anyone with less than 4k is probably the main reason why some large scale growers will never get as good g/watt as many small scale and cabinet growers.
V.
Not that I necessarily disagree with this statement, but I still feel the need to call BS.
Is yeast based CO2 the big secret then? Or perhaps CFLs? Lol.
(Maybe in the future you should hide your disdain for cash-croppers)
Grams per watt mean zero unless it`s done in a timely manner where all clone/mother production can be separate from introducing the perfect size plants into your flip rooms where they`ll finish at max 1 month apart and after further dialage with available rooms/locations , every 2 weeks or even the ultimate , every week.......
It`s a formula that tells us how many watts per sq ft it took for "X" amount of yields on a "yearly" basis from how many plants in "X" amount of sq ftg finishing from one harvey to the next.....
Consistency is what matters....Not what you pulled out yer ass on one occasion and have never been able to duplicate..... ........
Pure and simple........There are finite answers but MANY folks have tried to manipulate said variables for their own ego over the yrs........
Now......How can this be done on a regular basis ?.......By having separate mom/clone/pre-veg areas before putting perfect sized "ready" plants into your bloom rooms where you don`t waste ANY time doin anything other than flowering out the perfect sized plants for said room where they don`t overstretch their area/environment and produce accordingly.............
Vertical setups with bare bulbs will pump out the gpw`s but you`ve gotta deal with the increased plant numbers.......Doing smaller numbers decrease your gpw`s while increasing vegtime for the same results....
Thought I`d bump this to increase knowledge instead of speculation and bullshit.........
Peace.....DHF.....
you're the man bro, i absorb all your posts like a sponge. sorry you have to lay low, maybe its time to move on to different, more cannabis friendly parts...just sayin. good luck, this thread is very helpful
Dankblueberries
Member
I've been wondering the same thing for years.
2fast4u2 said:
Lmao!! That put a smile on my face buddy... I mean the info is pretty much spot on... Where I'm at I'd trade the ebb & flow for an nft, but only as this is what is popular where I'm at.
I followed the vertical thing for a while now and must say this seems to be the way to go SOG or trees (if plant no's are an issue) vert seems to win out all the time.
Anybody tried a vertical stadium set up in a tent b4? I was looking at NFT, co2 and a somewhat closed environment but all this talk off stadiums and re-using soil 7 times has got me wondering, lol
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Amstel Light
you're the man bro, i absorb all your posts like a sponge. sorry you have to lay low, maybe its time to move on to different, more cannabis friendly parts...just sayin. good luck, this thread is very helpful
fuck that fred could make a fortuane just being a consultant
heheeeLmao!! That put a smile on my face buddy... I mean the info is pretty much spot on... Where I'm at I'd trade the ebb & flow for an nft, but only as this is what is popular where I'm at.
I followed the vertical thing for a while now and must say this seems to be the way to go SOG or trees (if plant no's are an issue) vert seems to win out all the time.
Anybody tried a vertical stadium set up in a tent b4? I was looking at NFT, co2 and a somewhat closed environment but all this talk off stadiums and re-using soil 7 times has got me wondering, lol
ok i'm convinced after these monsters i have now come down i stuffing as many as i can in a growlab 80.....it wont be a true sog cause i only grow during the winter months .....so how many could i put in there? i run a 400 watt but will soon upgrade to 600 then i will try 1200 ...
yea the real deal will be a tent designed for a stadium...
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DHF
DIY 5 x 10 beds with 2-PL 1000`s have been done with success by Big Papa at the old AN forums with close to 3 lbs per light and he used increased plant numbers with the extra sq ftg of the bigger beds.......
Doing over 6 lbs outta 3 bare bulb 600`s on top of each other with 64 plants on 4 walls blew my mind the first run but when the other 3 rooms finished within grams of the first room a month apart for the next 3 months I knew it was on......
Vert`s the way for the gpw`s boys and girls....IMO....Takes increased plant numbers but it`s way easier with bare bulbs blastin sideways at the plants on the walls without reflectors that haveta be air cooled and waste lumens like a mofo......
Thank you Heathie........Hope you`re doin well.......
Peace.....DHF......
Doing over 6 lbs outta 3 bare bulb 600`s on top of each other with 64 plants on 4 walls blew my mind the first run but when the other 3 rooms finished within grams of the first room a month apart for the next 3 months I knew it was on......
Vert`s the way for the gpw`s boys and girls....IMO....Takes increased plant numbers but it`s way easier with bare bulbs blastin sideways at the plants on the walls without reflectors that haveta be air cooled and waste lumens like a mofo......
Thank you Heathie........Hope you`re doin well.......
Peace.....DHF..
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