Non lethal weapons and protection

[Harvest]

the fact is if you have a legal grow at your home with lethal weapons, you are doing time, self defense or not. A grow with less lethal rounds, bean bag round rubber bullets, maybe able to be argued in court, but you could still get fucked. Non lethal seems to be the way to go if you are legal....if i were doing anything illegal i may be tempted to have guns stashed around the house for protection cause im already fuckd if something goes down. But in my head guns have always been a no no, and look like it will stay that way. thanks for all the input guys!
-Harvest
bud good those swt3xgape kush are on the bay now....hehe currently bidding.

 

[BudGood]

To each their own. One mans situation may not be anothers. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Lazyman]

Good thread, I collected martial weapons for a while, here's what I have now:

Nunchakus
Pair of Sais
Pair of tonfas
Pair of bamboo short staffs
Myriad of swords
Myriad of knives
Couple pellet guns
Several bats (I prefer my ash pickaxe handle, big stick for a big guy)
Manriki (weighted chain)
Crossbow pistol
wrist rocket
blowgun
8' spear (Cold Steel)
brass knuckles
police baton
2 stun guns
pepper spray and tear gas


Not one "firearm" in the house, but I've read in numerous places that if an intruder is closer than 20', a knife is faster (and lots quieter) than a gun. Grab the knife and run at him as fast as you can move, you can probably stick him good before he can aim. Who wants to try it? Rubber knife vs paintball gun

 

[BudGood]

Nah, if we're gonna do the test you have to make the knife hurt! I seen something interesting on a recent show on Nat Geo, "Fight Club", they were using knives for knifefighting, that were stun guns. Made it seem alot more realistic as the dudes squared off with the shock knives.

 

[Strainhunter]

Why not a lethal weapon? If it's registered and you're allowed to own a gun per the 2nd amendment, why leave the safety of you, your family, and your garden in the hands of a beanbag?

Figuratively speaking of course.

...and IMHO it's always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!

 

[bostondutchmast]

the best non lethal weapon is this

 

[nomaad]

fuck yeah... i have really been considering a rottie. i have labs who might play with an interloper to death. I need a professionally trained rottie. For me, that breed bridges the gap between good family dog and trained guard/attack dog.

 

[Harvest]

haha, id go pit if anything. know a few breeders, always trying to get me to get one, its some og ganster that the blood line is named after cant remember....but i want a blue just dont have time for a pup right now

 

[Lazyman]

Check out what trained guard dogs cost, a level 3-4 shepherd is around 15-20K, add 5-10K for dobies and rotts. I'm freakin serious, those dogs are trained to do hundreds of things (like automatically patrolling certain areas, keeping perimeters around kids, etc) but shit that's some serious $$$$

 

[SpasticGramps]

Check out what trained guard dogs cost, a level 3-4 shepherd is around 15-20K, add 5-10K for dobies and rotts. I'm freakin serious, those dogs are trained to do hundreds of things (like automatically patrolling certain areas, keeping perimeters around kids, etc) but shit that's some serious $$$$

Damn that's some cheese $$$. I have a couple of dogs that are loud and sound mean, but probably wouldn't be worth a fuck if the shit hit the fan. That's something I would consider as a long term security solution, though.

 

[nomaad]

There are some interesting things on that site that are available to consumers, they used to sell to LEO and miltary only when they first appeared on the scene. They have a flashlight/laser sighted co2 powered pepperball launcher, the "flashlauncher". The rounds are expensive, but for those worried about having a gun and a grow together, might be a good alternative.

nomaad, have you tried the pepperballs out of your m4 paintball gun?

when i last looked they didn't seem to be selling to the genpop... cool that they are now. i will order some. first of all, my marker uses .43 calibre paintballs... i would have to see if they make the pepperballs in that calibre. Anyhow... i ordered .43 calibre water balls and removed most of the water and replaced it with pepper spray and dabbed epoxy on the syringe hole. I only made 40 rounds. I shot one at the fence and it atomized a lot of the liquid on impact. So i think they would be effective.

I'd rather be using commercial made pepperballs as their effectiveness would be well-tested.

 

[nomaad]

Wow... i want one of those dogs mentioned by Lazyman. seems worth the money... if you had that kind of money. got a link?

 

[BudGood]

when i last looked they didn't seem to be selling to the genpop... cool that they are now. i will order some. first of all, my marker uses .43 calibre paintballs... i would have to see if they make the pepperballs in that calibre. Anyhow... i ordered .43 calibre water balls and removed most of the water and replaced it with pepper spray and dabbed epoxy on the syringe hole. I only made 40 rounds. I shot one at the fence and it atomized a lot of the liquid on impact. So i think they would be effective.

I'd rather be using commercial made pepperballs as their effectiveness would be well-tested.

Thats cool you made your own! I dunno if they are .43 caliber, and I didn't see any pepperball rounds sold to the public other than the flashlauncher rounds, but I think they're the same thing.

They have these 10x pepperballs available as well. They're pricey, but for those who don't want to have an actual firearm and go nomaads route, you know that someone won't be able to just shake it off and keep coming after you shoot them. There is also a deal they sell to the public that shoots a cloud of capsaicin (sp) dust. Too bad we can't get some of the shit they sell to LEO/military!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

my philosophy is this: i'm not going to kill anyone over ganja, and having a firearm in the same place that you are growing is a legal liability even though its well within your constitutional rights. if somebody comes to my garden with (and shows a willingness to use) better firepower than my own, they can have it.

my rap4 kinda looks like this:

your better off nailing that thing to the fucking wall because someone would murder you if they bust your door in and seen you wit it.

 

[MarquisBlack]

You could literally spend as much as you wanted on a trained guard dog...

See: Titan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...Titan-wonderdogs-the-65000-burglar-alarm.html

My advice is to train yourself, though.

Home defense isn't something you do half-assed. Since loose lips sink ships, you should assume that whoever would be forcibly entering your house is not there for said grow, but rather your family and your valuables. It depends on the area I guess.

Criminals in my area aren't gonna be shook by paintballs and pepperspray, though.

 

[nomaad]

your better off nailing that thing to the fucking wall because someone would murder you if they bust your door in and seen you wit it.

i'm not talking about home invasion. if a dedicated home invader is busting down my door with heavy weaponry, he'll get what he wants. in the highly unlikely situation that it happens where I live.... that's not what we're using these weapons to defend against.

if somebody is creeping on my garden late at night, they are never going to see my paintball marker. in fact, they probably won't see anything for a few hours. they will be shot repeatedly in the face with pepperballs. like I said, unless you've been trained, you're not going to be able to do shit.

I would not take this weapon into a firefight against real firearms, but I'm willing to bet that, combined with the rest of my system, my security is effective up to the point of a planned, coordinated and armed infiltration...

 

[medmaker420]

I would feel better some crackhead trying to steal from me because most don't come with guns, those who KNOW about your grow however WOULD because they do not know who's grow it is and to think it is opposite is VERY naive.

i'm not talking about home invasion. if a dedicated home invader is busting down my door with heavy weaponry, he'll get what he wants. in the highly unlikely situation that it happens where I live.... that's not what we're using these weapons to defend against.

if somebody is creeping on my garden late at night, they are never going to see my paintball marker. in fact, they probably won't see anything for a few hours. they will be shot repeatedly in the face with pepperballs. like I said, unless you've been trained, you're not going to be able to do shit.

I would not take this weapon into a firefight against real firearms, but I'm willing to bet that, combined with the rest of my system, my security is effective up to the point of a planned, coordinated and armed infiltration...

 

[MarquisBlack]

I would not take this weapon into a firefight against real firearms, but I'm willing to bet that, combined with the rest of my system, my security is effective up to the point of a planned, coordinated and armed infiltration...

Lmao. Seriously, dude?

Have fun giving home invaders "what they want".

 

[nomaad]

yeah... again... i'm just not really worried about home invasion. i've been pretty clear what my defenses are geared toward and my feeling is that they are sound.

its funny how people are so worried about home invasions.... i did a little bit of research and have found that there are some factoids being thrown around about home invasions that are fueling the paranoia about it... i have seen dozens of references to the fact that ONE IN FIVE HOUSES WILL BE BURGLARIZED OR INVADED THIS YEAR!!!! This bit of information is used to sell everything from alarm systems to firearms to bullet proof vests and panic rooms. The funny part is when you distinguish fact from factoid. The statistic is actually that one in five houses will be the victim of burglary (invasion is included in this), FIRE OR FLOOD!!!!

This is a perfect example of how fear is the most powerful marketing tool out there. Just by omitting the "fire or flood" part they make it seem like we're all about to get ass-raped in our foyers while our children are made to watch by attackers who don't just want our money and valuables, but also to drink our blood.

I'd be interested in comparing how many burglaries there are vs how many floods and fires... i'm willing to bet that latter two account for the large majority of total events... that data would throw a whole new light on exactly how much home invading as actually going on... I am betting very little.

So... I am going to plan defenses for the possibility that some asshole will try to cut a 500$ branch of one of my ladies. For that, I am prepared.

And regarding the legal liability of having a firearm at a grow... my research shows that its dozens of times more likely that the cops (or feds) will come to my house for some reason or another.... it happens around here. if they have a warrant and find the gun I am going to be charged with having a weapon during the commission of a felony. so assuming we just play the odds, having the gun is more of a liability than a protection.

I choose to live my life as free of fear-based decisions as possible.

 

[Dank-j]

Lethal

Saiga-12*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUe4NWiOq5A

If you don't hit them they shit themselves.

*don't own, just want