Why doesn't my plant appear frosty ? Week 10 of flowering

[Owl Mirror]

A Stanley blower costs $30-40 @ walmart and can be modified quickly and cheaply to an air cooled hood/carbon scrubber or what ever. I think they suck close to 500CFM on high. Get a $15 box fan to blow on the plant at all times and you've already done alot in the ventilation department

Thanks !

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=29341

 

[Owl Mirror]

If I remember correctly, I finally chopped them down at day 100 or thereabouts. It definately was NOT worth it for me, the bud was OK, but it made better BHO and cookies...too much leaf material and for the scale of my self sufficiency operation, I need faster finishers.

I would love to have Sativas growing in my home, but Indicas are MUCH more practical.

Thanks! Damn, 14 weeks and it wasn't da bomb ?

 

[Jnugg]

Looks like you have a light leak issue as your plants seem to have gone back to veg with all those single bladed leaves.

 

[TEERCSIdbREEDER]

I do appreciate your advice, unfortunately ...

Order some supreme genetics (spend that extra money)
Easy to say, harder to accomplish on my income.
I have no extra money, in fact I don't have enough period.
I have looked and, found that Mr.Nice,Reservoir,Serious Seeds,Sensi Seeds refuse to ship the my home ;>}

I know your advice is sound and in my best interest.
Frankly, I'm to poor to grow my own and definitely to poor to afford 'caregiver prices'.
What's a guy to do ?

you can buy nirvana seeds at really low price. in my experience you get alot more than you pay for. at attitude seeds they just restocked up on Snow white feminized and it produces some monster plants in 60days flowering. i think a 5 pack is $40. grow some nice moms and grow from clones. anybody can get ahold of $50, and if you cant you should drop the internet off your bills and get some new seeds

 

[Owl Mirror]

you can buy nirvana seeds at really low price. in my experience you get alot more than you pay for. at attitude seeds they just restocked up on Snow white feminized and it produces some monster plants in 60days flowering. i think a 5 pack is $40. grow some nice moms and grow from clones. anybody can get ahold of $50, and if you cant you should drop the internet off your bills and get some new seeds

if you cant you should drop the internet off your bills

Actually that might happen come the first of the month.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Looks like you have a light leak issue as your plants seem to have gone back to veg with all those single bladed leaves.

all those single bladed leaves

Forgive me but, doesn't your avatar show the same plethora of single bladed leaves ?
I was under the impression that marijuana puts out single blades along the cola.
Am I wrong in assuming this?

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10402OE_cola_45_days.jpg

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=83588&page=2

I do realize the top growth is new and could be due to something other than the strain.

 

[Sister Sara]

Sorry for going off topic, but if they don't end up vaping so good, you might consider making tincture according to this method:
Green Dragon: Hot Method

If it is a bit weak, then you can boil it down a little to increase potency while using the same dose. Works for me. Just don't set your a$$ on fire, hehe. (I use one of those electric hotplates instead of gas flame. Of course, this may be only a tad bit safer...)

 

[Jnugg]

Forgive me but, doesn't your avatar show the same plethora of single bladed leaves ?
I was under the impression that marijuana puts out single blades along the cola.
Am I wrong in assuming this?

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10402OE_cola_45_days.jpg

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=83588&page=2

I do realize the top growth is new and could be due to something other than the strain.

If you open that pic up in my old gallery and take a closer look the only single blade leaves on that plant re at the very very top of the bud and most of them are 3 bladed leaves just the side blades are so short they were covered with bud.

As leafy as your plant looked I'd have to say an issue with light leaks or light cycle...could be over fed too.

I have seen people take clones that were two weeks into flower,once they rooted they started growing single blade leafs.

 

[Jnugg]

Here are some pics (may be a different plant but it is the same strain as in my avatar,Chrystal) @ 2.5 weeks flowering...this ended up being a strain that needed 9-10 weeks to finish.

 

[hempluvr]

I do appreciate your advice, unfortunately ...

Order some supreme genetics (spend that extra money)
Easy to say, harder to accomplish on my income.
I have no extra money, in fact I don't have enough period.
I have looked and, found that Mr.Nice,Reservoir,Serious Seeds,Sensi Seeds refuse to ship the my home ;>}

I know your advice is sound and in my best interest.
Frankly, I'm to poor to grow my own and definitely to poor to afford 'caregiver prices'.
What's a guy to do ?

There are a couple places that ship those breeders seeds worldwide. None of those places ship directly to where I am however there are places that do.
I think you should just start saving your money. Even if it takes awhile to get what you want. Makes it that much better when you have to save for it. Just take your time and you will get what you want!

 

[Owl Mirror]

There are a couple places that ship those breeders seeds worldwide. None of those places ship directly to where I am however there are places that do.
I think you should just start saving your money. Even if it takes awhile to get what you want. Makes it that much better when you have to save for it. Just take your time and you will get what you want!

Yes, I know you are right
thanks for the help

 

[Owl Mirror]

If you open that pic up in my old gallery and take a closer look the only single blade leaves on that plant re at the very very top of the bud and most of them are 3 bladed leaves just the side blades are so short they were covered with bud.

As leafy as your plant looked I'd have to say an issue with light leaks or light cycle...could be over fed too.

I have seen people take clones that were two weeks into flower,once they rooted they started growing single blade leafs.

After your comment I went and looked closer at my plant.
The majority of the leafy material is in fact three-finger leaflets.
They only appear to be spears because the junction is hidden deep inside the bud.
Now that new growth spurt has some wigged out single blades at the very top of the plant.
Thinking back over all I've done, I seem to remember that growth beginning after I was instructed to flush. I wonder if some how that serves to release Nitrogen in the compost that had not been released through regular watering ?

Thanks for the help

 

[Owl Mirror]

Sorry for going off topic, but if they don't end up vaping so good, you might consider making tincture according to this method:
Green Dragon: Hot Method

If it is a bit weak, then you can boil it down a little to increase potency while using the same dose. Works for me. Just don't set your a$$ on fire, hehe. (I use one of those electric hotplates instead of gas flame. Of course, this may be only a tad bit safer...)

Hello Sister Sara, thanks for the tip
I tried making that Oil from some leaves using 99% alcohol.
I got about the size of a dime in the bottom of the bowl and couldn't figure out how I was suppose to smoke it ;>}
I don't drink alcohol so I've stayed away from this Green Dragon.

 

[Hazy Lady]

Hi Owl, if your plants were just idling not really growing but started a spurt after a flush it is most likely a PH issue, your medium was getting a build-up of salts that was locking out your nutrient's, the flush would have rinsed this build-up away and the PH would have gone into the range more suited to your plant's.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Hi Owl, if your plants were just idling not really growing but started a spurt after a flush it is most likely a PH issue, your medium was getting a build-up of salts that was locking out your nutrient's, the flush would have rinsed this build-up away and the PH would have gone into the range more suited to your plant's.

So it is possible this flush had a link to this new growth spurt? Thanks
Yeah a guy on another board told me that I should flush my soil about every three weeks all during the growing cycle.
Sorry to say but, I don't know the PH of my tap water except that I checked with my towns water dept website. My town draws it's own water directly from Lake Huron. We also sit on the largest Limestone formation on the continent. The analysis said it was a 7.0 PH so I just took that for granted.

I haven't bought any of the commercially known soils like Fox Farm etc.
I have just kinda mixed and matched what I thought might be a good soil for growing in a pot. I mix garden soil, humus/compost with Perlite & vermiculite.
For my seedlings, I mix Orchid soil with a bit more perlite and a dash or two of the humus/compost.

Could the make-up of my soil be changing the PH once the water is soaked up?
I don't see any crusty salt build up on the top of the soil. Should I if that were the case?

 

[Dödsknark]

Well... It looks like a light leak.

Other than that, I don't know. But make sure it's PITCH BLACK in there before doing anything else. No light whatsoever.

Good luck.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Well... It looks like a light leak.

Other than that, I don't know. But make sure it's PITCH BLACK in there before doing anything else. No light whatsoever.

Good luck.

Thanks, not much more I can do at this point. Hopefully I can correct this when I build a new room. I just wish my state would allow me to grow outdoors like we are suppose to. Would make things so much simpler !
Actually there are a few who are testing our new law by growing inside an enclosed dog run with an enclosed roof. Since the cops pass my house about 30 times a day, I might wait for these test results to see if that will fly ;>}

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

I don't buy the darkness issue. My flowering room is a large closet off my bedroom. I leave the door open both night and day. At night, my GF often sits near the door at her desk using her computer and she turns on lights in the room, too. I can look right onto the flowering room and make out individual plants, it's not that dark. I've been doing this here for 6 years now, and I never, ever get hermaphrodites or have a problem with slow flowering. I'm not growing the same cuttings over and over either, I'm always flowering armies of seedlings, so I see plenty of variation.

I think your reluctant flowering is genetic in origin, and on top of that, you're having trouble with watering. The garden soil-perlite-vermiculite mix is going to be challenging to water effectively, even for me. The growth spurt from the flush may be from PH changes, or available nutrients, but it could also be just the first time in a while the plant got a decent, thorough watering. With garden soil in the mix, it will tend to get hard and shrink away from the walls of the container, allowing water to pour down the sides without wetting the inner part of the rootball. Any of this sound possible?

 

[Owl Mirror]

I don't buy the darkness issue. My flowering room is a large closet off my bedroom. I leave the door open both night and day. At night, my GF often sits near the door at her desk using her computer and she turns on lights in the room, too. I can look right onto the flowering room and make out individual plants, it's not that dark. I've been doing this here for 6 years now, and I never, ever get hermaphrodites or have a problem with slow flowering. I'm not growing the same cuttings over and over either, I'm always flowering armies of seedlings, so I see plenty of variation.

I think your reluctant flowering is genetic in origin, and on top of that, you're having trouble with watering. The garden soil-perlite-vermiculite mix is going to be challenging to water effectively, even for me. The growth spurt from the flush may be from PH changes, or available nutrients, but it could also be just the first time in a while the plant got a decent, thorough watering. With garden soil in the mix, it will tend to get hard and shrink away from the walls of the container, allowing water to pour down the sides without wetting the inner part of the rootball. Any of this sound possible?

Yes, very possible.
I had noticed that if I didn't water her for 3-4 days the soil would shrink away from the sides.
Can you suggest a better soil solution mix without having to buy those commercial brands?
I have no access to any grow stores and would need to have it shipped to my house.

Any better ideas on mixing a soil from hardware/garden outlet stock would be greatly appreciated.
The local store has Orchid and Cactus soils but, they are in very small bags for around $10 each.
I'm not familiar with nor can I afford this hydro growing equipment, that is why I'm using dirt.

 

[magiccannabus]

If you have a Petco nearby, you can get bricks of coco coir, the company is Zoo Med, and the brand is "Eco Earth". Stuff works great, but you may want to flush it. I'd recommend a mix of 50% coir, 25% compost mixes(chicken and cow manure, mushroom compost, etc.), and 25% peat moss(for moisture retention). Then use 1 tablespoon of dolomite per gallon of soil, 2 tablespoons bone meal, and 1-2 tablespoons of Espoma Flower Tone(bulb tone works well too). If you can't get the last one it's not the end of the world though. I've been using this mix lately and it's stellar. Actually I use a bit more compost than that, but start with little and add more when it comes to fertilizers you're not used to. Then all you have to do is water with dechlorinated water. That's all it takes to become an organic gardener, and all those soil components are things you can mix together yourself.

I still suspect light leak problems. I know good genes shouldn't care, but a lot of genes that are otherwise good have hermie problems with a little light leak. Also, the time of day the light leak occurs is a big deal. If the leak is closer to either sun up or sun down, it's not as bad, but in the very middle, 6 hours into the night cycle, it's by far the most sensitive. Until you can find more light leak tolerant genetics, you will definitely want future growing to be done with perfect darkness during lights off.