Why doesn't my plant appear frosty ? Week 10 of flowering

[guest123]

Doesn't anyone here think he should go up to 14 hours darkness? If it were me, I would to encourage her to finish.

As far as light leaks go, if you can end up with a dominant female of well-bred strain like AK47, you can have all the light leaks you want without a hermie... hell, we're still pulling 2lbs+ off of each 1000 with light leaks galore!

Sorry I can't be more help... definitely some strange genetics you seem to have ended up with.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Doesn't anyone here think he should go up to 14 hours darkness? If it were me, I would to encourage her to finish.

As far as light leaks go, if you can end up with a dominant female of well-bred strain like AK47, you can have all the light leaks you want without a hermie... hell, we're still pulling 2lbs+ off of each 1000 with light leaks galore!

Sorry I can't be more help... definitely some strange genetics you seem to have ended up with.

Are you suggesting I only have 10 hours of light?

At this time I can not afford to buy any of these high-priced seed strains.

 

[flat5th]

Hey Owl.

Sorry to hear about your struggles.

I would agree with bad genetics. But it sounds like you've already got some new seeds that may be more reliable. Here's an article i read the other day about germinating seeds and getting females: http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59901

I use 2 400w lights as well. They effectively cover a 3'x6' area and all the rest of the room is workspace (and i need more!)

Here's what i would suggest building:

Top Down view:

Front View:

Basically a side by side veg and flower room. With 8 feet of height, you'll have plenty of head room to properly ventilate. With 400w you don't want plants any taller than 2'-3'. If you keep them small (2-3 weeks of veg max) you should be able to fit up to 8 plants in there.

Take a look at my albums...there's some success and some failure...but it'll give you a good idea of what i've done under 2 400w.
OLD: http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=347
NEW: http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=1582

Veg: you could keep a couple moms, have room for clones, and below Veg as many plants as you need.

I think that's a viable solution. I don't know if you are hydro or dirt. But either way you should be able to make good use of your lights with a cab this size.

With that space, you could even do a perpetual grow and harvest every 2-4 weeks if you wanted.

best of luck!
Fifth.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Hey Owl.

Sorry to hear about your struggles.

I would agree with bad genetics. But it sounds like you've already got some new seeds that may be more reliable. Here's an article i read the other day about germinating seeds and getting females: http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59901

I use 2 400w lights as well. They effectively cover a 3'x6' area and all the rest of the room is workspace (and i need more!)

Here's what i would suggest building:

Top Down view:

Front View:

Basically a side by side veg and flower room. With 8 feet of height, you'll have plenty of head room to properly ventilate. With 400w you don't want plants any taller than 2'-3'. If you keep them small (2-3 weeks of veg max) you should be able to fit up to 8 plants in there.

Take a look at my albums...there's some success and some failure...but it'll give you a good idea of what i've done under 2 400w.
OLD: http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=347
NEW: http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=1582

Veg: you could keep a couple moms, have room for clones, and below Veg as many plants as you need.

I think that's a viable solution. I don't know if you are hydro or dirt. But either way you should be able to make good use of your lights with a cab this size.

With that space, you could even do a perpetual grow and harvest every 2-4 weeks if you wanted.

best of luck!
Fifth.

Thanks your post is very helpful
I'm thinking I need to put these two veg plants in to flower sooner than I expected. They are 4 weeks old now.
I just wish I knew what to do with this other plant.
I could use the lights on these new plants but, they would need to be lowered.

 

[flat5th]

Thanks your post is very helpful
I'm thinking I need to put these two veg plants in to flower sooner than I expected. They are 4 weeks old now.
I just wish I knew what to do with this other plant.
I could use the lights on these new plants but, they would need to be lowered.

Do you have a mother in addition to these 2 4week old plants? If not, you could keep one as a mom and flower one nice and big for now.

If you do have a mother and these 2 plants are destined to be flowered...you could trim them back a bit to keep them short while you are waiting for the crazy plant to finish flowering. You could keep the trimmings as your next clones too.

LST, Topping, supercropping...all these techniques can help keep your plants short and space maximized. I would start with topping to get multiple colas.

Hope that helps, I'll be around if you have any questions.

Fifth.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Do you have a mother in addition to these 2 4week old plants? If not, you could keep one as a mom and flower one nice and big for now.

If you do have a mother and these 2 plants are destined to be flowered...you could trim them back a bit to keep them short while you are waiting for the crazy plant to finish flowering. You could keep the trimmings as your next clones too.

LST, Topping, supercropping...all these techniques can help keep your plants short and space maximized. I would start with topping to get multiple colas.

Hope that helps, I'll be around if you have any questions.

Fifth.

Thanks, no these two plants are from seed.
I was going to take two clones from each before putting them in to flowering.
These are brand new so I don't have any mother plants yet.
I have topped both plants above their fifth node and new growth is about two inches
I suppose I should take the two clones from the top of the plants which would keep them shorter.
Thing is, I'm limited to having only 12 plants max. That is counted as anything with a root.
I've been trying to have four in flower, four in veg and four clones but, that hasn't worked out so well so far.

 

[Mickymouse]

Nobody said anything about his fertilizers.Think it would pay to get some from the hydro stroe instead of the local hardware store just a thought.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Nobody said anything about his fertilizers.Think it would pay to get some from the hydro store instead of the local hardware store just a thought.

Yeah, that isn't really an option unless I order over the Internet and I've found it cost more for the shipping than for the ferts
I live approx 65 miles from the nearest small city and I don't think even they have a hydro store.

 

[Owl Mirror]

I'm reaching for any answers on how to turn this grow around.
I'm wondering if removing the leaves along the big cola's would allow more light to get to the buds underneath and if that might help?

Would a partial trim job like I propose be helpful or harmful ?

 

[Mickymouse]

Small bottle of fertz and shipping cant be over $25.It would be worth the investment.Think its bad genitacs cant turn that around.Get a good Indica.Those other seeds you have some of them have not so good grow reports.

 

[Owl Mirror]

I guess I'm not understanding this BAD GENETICS thing.
Are you saying that if I spend big dollars on GOOD genetics and, had a heat issue or light leak the plant would still grow better than what I have?
I am left wondering why folks are saying it's bad genetics? It could very well be, I have no idea as the seeds were sent by someone I do not know.
I'm just wondering why some have come to this conclusion?
Please describe what makes you think it's bad genetics so I can understand what to look for.

 

[lysol]

What I have done with tall sativas is use 2 barbells to balance the bucket at a 45 degree angle or so. Essentially turn the plant over on it's side nearly. You get better canopy to light ratio this way too, its like 0 stress training. Obviously not hydro friendly

 

[sativa4ever]

The genetics dont look bad they look fine 2 me, but those buds need more time
buy a 60x magnifying glass and wen the trics turn red thats wen its ready it
doesnt look ready yet prolly needs 12-13 weeks.
Oh and next time get yurself some added PK 13-14 or something like that.
You might have KILLER smoke cant tell untill yu smoked it. Wow those are huge
maybe yu might wanna try and tie the top of the plant to the stem next time in week
2 of veg or wen there 15cm to get them bushy and less tall.

 

[Bumble Buddy]

Owl Mirror, you are getting lots of input and advice here that is good but its probably best to keep it simple as can be. I'm still on a steep learning curve myself but let me try to recap:

Genetics: occasionally a cross between two good plants will result in a "subvital" or otherwise poorly performing plant, it is just the result of the random recombination of traits. Sometimes a plant like this will just veg and veg and never seem to really flower out, I've seen this happen even from seeds in otherwise good batches, took a clone and the same thing happened under good environmental conditions where other plants budded heavily. Other times a plant may just take a long time, 90+ days to really get going in flower. If you only started 2 seeds for your next crop, I'd suggest starting more due to the possibility of males and for better selection.

Heat: from what you have described, its not a heat issue.

Light leaks: I've seen many say that even a tiny light leak will cause budding problems/hermies. My take is that those problems are primarily due to genetic predispositions, most robust plants can take considerable light leaks and not have problems, some strains are finicky though. IMO there is NO WAY the red light on your power strip will cause problems.

Light cycle: just to be sure, are you running a 12 hour on/ 12 hour off light cycle for flowering? Be sure its not longer..

Nutes: the nutes you are using will work fine for vegetative growth but are not good for flowering, I suspect that the micro nutes you have been using are suppling nitrogen to the plant or that there is still a surplus of nitrogen in the soil. I would flush the pot with about 5x its capacity with clear water and feed the plant no further nutes, just clear water. You should be able to grow good crops using your current nutes for veg, just leave them out of the flowering phase altogether, there should be plently of juice left in the soil. You may want to add some pure PK for the first few weeks of flowering, but I'd leave it out if you aren't sure there isn't N in there.

 

[flat5th]

I'm reaching for any answers on how to turn this grow around.
I'm wondering if removing the leaves along the big cola's would allow more light to get to the buds underneath and if that might help?

Would a partial trim job like I propose be helpful or harmful ?

That plant actually looks great, considering you say it's been flowering for a very long time. Perhaps it's just a super long flowering Sativa, in which case you are possibly in for a wonderful treat. Maybe you have amazing genetics!
There are some sativas that grow near the equator that have 12/12 all year round,

You could definitely bend those colas back with some string. Drill some holes in the top of the pot, thread the string through, and tie that bitch back.

If you're feeling adventurous, you could pinch and bend the stems over (supercropping). It's scary at first, but they heal and it really works quite well (you witnessed this already with the split stem).

As far as trimming goes...it's a touchy subject. Most people WON'T trim after 2 weeks of flower. Whether trimming in mid-late flower hinders yield is a hot debate. I would say, if a fan leaf is seriously blocking budsites, take it off. Just don't go overboard. I would try to bend, tie, and move the plant around to get light into the middle/lower portions of the plant.

fifth.

 

[otherwhitemeat]

Your power strip light isn't the problem.

How long did you veg for? That plant seems VERY tall (top of door?) If you veg for way too long, your plant can become root bound.

That doesn't appear to be the case as they are not suffering, but thriving.

I'd say another vote on bad genetics.

Try making some oil or hash, you might just get a coupla highs off of it!

 

[Owl Mirror]

I want to thank everyone for your input.

The guy who said "it's a fricken weed, plant it and let it grow" simplified it considerably ;>}

Right now I am not so concerned with yield as I am just getting anything out of her!

Oh, the pic that shows her over the top of the door, I should have explained better, That pic was taken when I took her out of the closet to flush her. She was sitting on top of a storage bin so the water could flow out the bottom and in to the bucket.
I have measured her from the soil line to the highest tip and she measures five foot.

I was just in there looking her over and, decided to snip off some of the inner fan leaves.
Once I did this and she was opened up to the light, I can now see that many of the lower buds are indeed a bit frosty. I would say about 25% of the pistils are turned brown/red.
I realize the plant gets her energy from the fan leaves but, I also thought perhaps the stress of being cut might encourage her to finish up. I also moved her over so she is only under one of the lights. This allowed the clone I had in the corner to be able to spread out more. The clone actually looks pretty good except it has a ton of popcorn buds.
It doesn't have the thick leaf growth like the mother has.
I will take some pictures in a few, hopefully you can better understand what I'm relating.

Again, thanks for all the help. I should have come here long ago instead of where I was posting. I've gotten more good advice in the two days here than I got in months at the other site.

I am thinking maybe the soil I used with this first plant might have too much nitrogen in it.
The soil I planted the clone in was a different mixture.
Again, I only have hardware store soil so I mixed some garden soil with some humus/compost and perlite. Maybe using the compost/humus was a mistake ?

 

[Greyskull]

that hygrometer/thermometer is rad! and only 13 bucks.
perfect

I guess I'm not understanding this BAD GENETICS thing.

well the buds arent reeking of aroma. nor is there insane trich production, the buds so far are leafuy and airy/loose (which could be attributed to heat). plus, how many weeks deep into 12/12 are you? masterkushxskunk?

everyone will have their own definition of "good" and "bad" genes....

it could be that just the genetic info in the beans you popped were disappointing because of mother nature... maybe one of the next 20 beans will be a bomb ass keeper.

it won't do you much good to trim that leaffiness off now - your too vested at this point IMO.

maybe its time to chop it down and get ready for the next.

i wouldnt clone that plant if i was you... doesn't look 'worthy'... to me anyways. you have to learn what you are looking for in a plant, and it takes time.


good luck

 

[Bush Dr]

You're only giving N by the look of it ..... zero bud sites and so greeeeen, look at post #49 .... a sativa @ 10 weeks should be 90% yellow

What is the N/P/K of the feed? .... you could give P/K 13/14 and see if that kicks them into flower

BTW Master Kush is not that good or that stable so you may have a THC dud, of the 8 MK I grew there were 2 similar phenotypes, I have since given the clones away, although the punters loved it I found that musty Affy taste boring

Just my

BD

 

[Owl Mirror]

Owl Mirror, you are getting lots of input and advice here that is good but its probably best to keep it simple as can be. I'm still on a steep learning curve myself but let me try to recap:

Genetics: occasionally a cross between two good plants will result in a "subvital" or otherwise poorly performing plant, it is just the result of the random recombination of traits. Sometimes a plant like this will just veg and veg and never seem to really flower out, I've seen this happen even from seeds in otherwise good batches, took a clone and the same thing happened under good environmental conditions where other plants budded heavily. Other times a plant may just take a long time, 90+ days to really get going in flower. If you only started 2 seeds for your next crop, I'd suggest starting more due to the possibility of males and for better selection.

Heat: from what you have described, its not a heat issue.

Light leaks: I've seen many say that even a tiny light leak will cause budding problems/hermies. My take is that those problems are primarily due to genetic predispositions, most robust plants can take considerable light leaks and not have problems, some strains are finicky though. IMO there is NO WAY the red light on your power strip will cause problems.

Light cycle: just to be sure, are you running a 12 hour on/ 12 hour off light cycle for flowering? Be sure its not longer..

Nutes: the nutes you are using will work fine for vegetative growth but are not good for flowering, I suspect that the micro nutes you have been using are suppling nitrogen to the plant or that there is still a surplus of nitrogen in the soil. I would flush the pot with about 5x its capacity with clear water and feed the plant no further nutes, just clear water. You should be able to grow good crops using your current nutes for veg, just leave them out of the flowering phase altogether, there should be plently of juice left in the soil. You may want to add some pure PK for the first few weeks of flowering, but I'd leave it out if you aren't sure there isn't N in there.

Thanks so much.
I put the light cycle on 11:45 ON from the start. It runs from 7:15am til 7:00pm.

Hopefully all these problems will not exist once I build a room.

Was it a mistake to get those Nepalese and Ethiopian seeds?
Should I just go with the Mazar until I get the hang of this growing thing?
Sorry for appearing so stressed out about all this but, it's really important I get a harvest soon.