Distant Outdoor Plot, Small 15 plants, Watering suggestions?

[Julian]

I only suggested searching because lot of angles to address......and of course majority above didn't even begin to address a fraction....(location, prep, size of container, size and age of plants, ability/schedule to visit, rough idea of climate and conditions working with, and on and on.....each and every one matters....)

My main concern to start with would be location.....300yrs from owner of land and signs of them moving about nearby would be a concern...many people do walk the entirety of their land....so.....something to be aware of...

Travel the least of issues...70 miles an hour away......I've been in city traffic where I don't get a mile within an hour....so, all relative....

You should be able to address entire situation piece by piece backwards and forwards. If not, it's as simple as learning more....

This is of course a little later in season....and of course will be reflected in size which also affects location and many specifics...

The point behind the hooks btw was that the outcome of using such would lead to charges worse than the grow. Private citizen, a mortal enemy is made. LE, and they're going to do whatever possible to get you.

Difference between them possibly just ripping them up or mandatory minimums, and, if wounding the wrong private citizen, death.

 

[Guest]

See what i mean microgram! Thank goodness for those ex wives. Youre question was about watering......sorry.

Well, it looks like im going to have to defend my statements. Maybe we will all learn in the process. Lets all be civil in our disagreements.

Badmf and Julian are accurate to at least one extent: I should have prefaced my statement with the forword that in the southern, southeastern, eastern, midwest, mid atlantic and northeastern areas of the United states there is no such thing as set and forget. There may indeed be enviroments that will allow this type of growing but but i havent grown in any of those areas. I withdraw my "without exception" due to its potential inaccuracy. Further, my experience is with guerilla, which i assume all set and forget attempts are. In my topograpy, which is rough, jungle like/up and down, one would need a helicopter get any type of equipment to the grow, even here where the soil is rich and will grow smoke unammended, i cant imagine trying to prepare for 100's of plants in a guerilla setting. Virgin soil that hasnt ever been plowed or turned is a tough dig around here and would require a tractor and these hills arent tractor conducive. Iguess if you had lots of labor, but for me, the first rule of guerilla is to tell no one.

What will you do about the 45-50 deer per sqare mile? It would be laughable to suggest "fencing" them out as they can jump 8' flatfooted. Coons, Ground hogs, rabbits, elk, skunks????? 1 wild hog can root up a crop in a minute and you wont even know he's comming around if youre not ever there.. A buddy planted 500 clones in his cornfield this spring and by the end of the first week, he had lost 200 to critters/snails and bugs.
Each week or so, a severe thunderstrorm rolls through the areas listed above with perhaps a 70 mph downburst, maybe hail. Who's going to keep your plants from breaking and uprooting or just being beaten into the dirt when theyre small? A half-flowered plant becomes heavy and starts to sag. There may be varieties that will withstand a thunderstorm in that state without support, but i havent found one. If the grower doesnt stake it, its gone. Lots of rain in the spring, but july and august are going to require water - period says microgram.
The vegetave growth in my neck of the woods is jungle like and rampant -there simply isn t a hybrid strain that ive grown with the vigor to compete with and overcome that natural growth. I can say with confidence that you probably wont even find your plants again if you dont keep them tended and you'll be digging through 8' weeds and vines to try to find your grow. Hell, the cudzu or thorny vines can grow 100' per month and theyll drag your little hybrids to the ground and break their necks in a 2 week period. The soil is rich and the climate moderate here, and even plowed ground will be overcome with vegative growth left unattended. That thunderstorm will bury plants under natural vegetation.

Sunlight issues can be of concern for guerilla's. For growers growing in a location they arent completely familiar with may be required to visit just to make sure the sun in relation to their plant is what they thought. Many times ive had to cut a limb or make adjustments so that the plants received the sunlight i thought they would recieve.

Bug infestations here,(snails this year, 3 applications so far, whiteflies by the billions last year, cutworms), can go from no problem to eating the plant to the ground within a 5 day period and if you dont show up, kiss the crop good by. Have you seen what 10 or 12 2" grasshoppers can do to a plant in a few weeks? Borers? Mould observations? Ive seen conditions in which the most resistant strains show mould and it can destroy a plant in 3 days and youre not going to be around to check? And how about harvest, Ive never had an outdoor grow that i didnt have to monitor in the last month to assess maturity and bud development in relation to the weather forcast, hunting season,

Hurricane IKe, Katrina, lets just throw those in for fun. Constant 50 mph winds and 9" of rain in late sept.

I could go on and on. Security hasn't even been mentioned. I hope after 6 months you dont show up to be handcuffed. Since you havent been there, you didn't notice........

I apologize if my overgeneralization made anyone uncomfortable. As stated, i made them based on my growing experience in my area. I should have made that clear. I will add that i have had a few minimal care grows, but they required special considerations. I had to use plants that have low yeild and are lanky with little wind resistance, vigourous, wont mould, bug proof, drought resistant and generally tough as hell. Ive found 2 or 3 varieties that meet that criteria, but none with the potency i expect. Wild hemp does grow around here and survives unassisted. I found no hybrids that will.

In my enviroment, the suggestion that one could plant any type of annual or herbacious plant and come back 6 months later and harvest is humourous as hell. Perhaps others have overcome these and other pitfalls. Im here to learn so if you have solutions lets hear them.

 

[Julian]

Well, it looks like im going to have to defend my statements. Maybe we will all learn in the process. Lets all be civil in our disagreements.

Badmf and Julian are accurate to at least one extent: I should have prefaced my statement with the forword that in the southern, southeastern, eastern, midwest, mid atlantic and northeastern areas of the United states there is no such thing as set and forget. There may indeed be enviroments that will allow this type of growing but but i havent grown in any of those areas.

Actually, your growing in one right now. 3-4+" of rain per month throughout season. Great soil. Fact. (I've done no maintenance in your environment.....This is Fact.

East of the Mississippi allows for perfect conditions for no maintenance.

There is no defending your "can't" statement.

Your only displaying your true lack of knowledge and experience time and time again by broadly declaring what is not possible when done by countless people. Again. Fact.

Rainfall over 2" a month?, you have a no maintenance situation.

Your not doing your credibility a favor either by broadly declaring time and time again the methods utilized by countless people for success much greater than yours don't exist

Your a prime example of someone who's the first to speak about something they have no experience with. (Time and time again)

All you've just proved is your not real, and don't know what you think you know. (Unless....unless....me and badmf are the only people that exist in the U.S that know "the secret" )

I'm not even having this conversation....what's next?.....that topping is a myth?

 

[Guest]

It seems that whenever someone is unsure about the topic at hand and cant mount a debate on the substance, they tend to try and redirect the discussion to other matters where they are more profiecient. You failed to offer remedies to any of the reasons why a set and forget wont make it where ,wind, animals, disease, pest, inadequate rainfall and the problematic aspects of the grow and instead you seem focused on me personally. Given that simple fact, i find it hard to argue that your intent is to add to the conversation. If your intent is to attack me, do it in the pm so as not to inconvienience others. Micrograms questions are legit and warrant discussion.

Take this opportunity as a second chance to convey some indication that youve grown using this method and have successfully addressed the issues above that i contend will disallow such an effort. Im anxious to hear your remedies. I get tired of carrying cages and stakes and water and all of the other work required to have a harvest. As i said, im here to learn and share, not critisize other growers. Growing is my hobby and love and i come here to discuss it.

I apologize again microgram.

 

[Julian]

Actually, it was you who redirected the discussion to other matters your not comfortable with..

There is no debating fact. Although I did misspeak.....are you in an area that gets 3-4", or one that gets 5"+...

Anyone who deems no maintenance a myth who receives 5" rainfall, certainly does not know a fraction of what they believe they do.

And now you seek me to "prove" such is possible?

Listen big guy......don't give me any grief......I have week 2 trainees who have a better grasp....

Your far, far behind the game to be speaking as you do....(someone who needs the basics explained to them.....)

I'd suggest more reading and learning than "discussing"...(since your discussing matters far, far outside your realm....)

btw.......it's bad form to walk into someones thread who seeks assistance to only speak about something you have no knowledge of and offer an absurd comment which you know will only lead to this...

What, you think nobody else noticed?

 

[Guest]

I guess there's one in every crowd. You clearly have no capacity to refute my contention with facts. Its also clear that youre not here to share and learn.

 

[try comb]

Actually, it was you who redirected the discussion to other matters your not comfortable with..

There is no debating fact. Although I did misspeak.....are you in an area that gets 3-4", or one that gets 5"+...

Anyone who deems no maintenance a myth who receives 5" rainfall, certainly does not know a fraction of what they believe they do.

And now you seek me to "prove" such is possible?

Listen big guy......don't give me any grief......I have week 2 trainees who have a better grasp....

Your far, far behind the game to be speaking as you do....(someone who needs the basics explained to them.....)

I'd suggest more reading and learning than "discussing"...(since your discussing matters far, far outside your realm....)

btw.......it's bad form to walk into someones thread who seeks assistance to only speak about something you have no knowledge of and offer an absurd comment which you know will only lead to this...

What, you think nobody else noticed?

i noticed this also.........so much false information and lack of knowledge is so obvious in many of his posts....ive seen it for years............

i wont even begin to ramble..........but it sure seems silverback's claimed years of experiences more resembles his iq than any truth.

 

[Julian]

I think coco is a myth.

 

[antimatter]

you guys are lucky.. I can get a couple mm of rain in a month and temperatures of 90-100 degrees, but if I was to grow in wetland type area I wouldn't need any water but mold may become a problem later on. Set it and forget works in quite a few situations, but I do have one spot that just hasn't been able to handle the heat even with polymers very very dry area, if it was a green area they would be fine even with the heat, live and learn fortunately that spot was given up for security reasons and not because of the heat.

 

[Guest]

Well Try comb, maybe you can tell us what you know about wind, deer, cages, pests, vigorous native vegetation, choppers, watering and everything else all the rest of us are fighting, or like julian, perhaps you cant because these are matters that you have no experience with?

Every grower in the outdoor section is fighting the very problems that ive laid out for discussion but you seem to have avoided addressing them either in this thread or apparantly in your grows. Good lord you 2 genuises need to tell the rest of us how because all of us inexperienced growers are working ourselves to death dealing with them

Im starting to get the impression that you 2 have never grown outdoors in your life and are trolling around to start trouble. You certainly havent provided any growing info to suggest otherwise.

Let me say it one more time. Set and forget grows are rarely successful due to deer and other animals, pests, native vegetation, wind, irregular rainfall, disease and a dozen other aspects of growing cannabis in areas where these conditions exist.

If you go to my comment section, you will see that many growers have commented that sharing my experinces has helped them with their grows. Likewise, I certainly have learned from other growers.

 

[Julian]

ive laid out for discussion.

Ummmmm......in case you hadn't noticed.....this is someone else's thread which laid out their situation for discussion......of which what you offered was to declare something done the world over as a myth ....yet now sit and whine and cry how just here to learn.....and demand to be shown and proven what is among a novice growers first study points....

I think your the myth, and your woefully out of your depth.

Your in absolutely no position to question anyone's experience or motives...

Im starting to get the impression that you 2 have never grown outdoors in your life and are trolling around to start trouble. You certainly havent provided any growing info to suggest otherwise.

Ahhhhhhh....I thought it was you .......I knew it.......

Idiocy like that easy to spot. We have a winner!

So much for motives..............

Your always so transparent........

We've never grown in our lives and have to provide you with info we have .......

What a wannabe........

 

[badmf]

I didn't quote your reply SB, as its too lengthy. But lets not adhere to the "Sky is falling the sky is falling" philosophy. Any problem can be handled!!
If you want an easy squezzy grow-- do it indoors or in a well fenced backyard. Guerilla growers by nature are inventive and tough.
Now lets answer your quiries;
Coons, ground hogs, wabbits and crazy hogs.
Fencing done correctly will work!! Key to a great fence are superior corners!! Top-tilt your fence towards the deers direction. Use Predator Piss and watch em run even wild hogs don't want to be eaten!! lol
Veggin in "my" area is "rough" too. But if you know (vines, native plants) periheral growth is going to increase trim it back,... to the ground if necessary!! Plus the fencing around each plant allows it "personal" space, ha ha ha.
Snails, slugs, whiteflies, cutworms, grasshoppers etc
Use copper tape around the stems no more snail/slug issues. Put diatoemaous earth over the topsoil kills all crawlies!! Any "flyers" use deer netting, spray it with bug spray they will avoid it like the plague!!
Now you want me to deal with hurricanes, common man "Cowboy up" Put in some stakes to hold the "cages" to the ground and if its Katerina what do you want me to do ... send you a relief package?
If the unforeseen occurs deal with it. I have mulitple plots to lessen this possibility. I have a Honda wx10 and many power tools out there which I use without problem, as I also use a Dakota Alert. Its a portable motion sensor which activates a walkie with "Alert Zone One" etc you can put 4 sensors in and relax a bit.(several mile range too!!) I put artificial flowers on em, that are close to native flowers/berries. Polymers 25-35%, Battery operated timer, drip line, camoed up, containers are put into "cutouts" in large bushes or in between them, so there no profile. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7468&highlight=hands+free+outdoor I haven't updated pix in years but..
Set it and Forget it!! Remember I luv a man!! Now get yer arse out there n'grow!!

 

[badmf]

Hey Randude you forgot the GATORS!!!!

 

[Julian]

Any obstacle can be overcome. Any Obstacle can be overcome.

It is how we are different than the animals. We do not rely on luck, but make our own.

If you have an obstacle then you correct it. If it is water, pest, weather, security, whatever, you outsmart the problem. That is as much fun as having the harvest to begin with.

Well said....I'd of course agree, said the same many times....but that's not what this is about.....

What this is about is someone claiming a superior knowledge and understanding, declaring multiple things which most of us use and consider extreme advantages in every day practice as nonexistent.....and "myth"(s)....

Yeah, yeah, yeah....Polymers?...don't work, no value..............no maintenance?...a myth, not possible.............organics?...don't work, misinformed.....

Yes....obviously someone who possesses an extremely high skill set.....an amazing degree of knowledge....and a lifetime of experience......

He came in and made statements not to assist, but to get a reaction, and he did.

 

[antimatter]

I have been doing side by side comparing how well the polymers work mixed with native soil vs just native soil vs sunshine mix and I gotta water the native soil that doesn't have polymers every day it just does not hold water at all, the sunshine mix holds water pretty well but the native soil with polymers doesn't seem to dry out, sure ive watered them a couple times but not because they needed it. But be warned they never saved me in areas with prolonged dryness but did help, if I had a drip system setup on that spot im sure everything would of been great, the polymers help with keeping the moisture in the crappy soil thereby saving a lot of water.

Go into a swamp and plant you won't have to water, might get rootrot/botrytis, probably will have to cut vegetation can get really crazy in those wet areas...moral of the story is dry areas require irrigation if you live in western canada/oregon etc. polymers arn't gonna cut it but they will help you alot, worth the extra $. No maintenance has its ups and downs lower yield, may have half of them get eaten; shit happens, if you only got 40 plants out and no maintenance don't expect to bring em in.. put out a few hundred no maintenance and you might bring em all in or only 40 or nothing.

 

[Guest]

thanks for sticking to the topic badmf.

Any problem can be corrected, but you have to be there to correct it..

Every suggestion you gave is accurate, i agree. What i dont agree on is that it can all be done in advance. If you put your netting on your seedling, is it still effective when the plant is 8'?

Stakes are great and fix the problem just as you suggest, but you cant stake a seedling and expect a full buded 8' to be supported. You have to go back when the plant is bigger and stake it.

trim it back?? When the seedling is planted, there isnt much native veg growth. 2 months later in june, its a jungle. When would you suggest trimming it back if youre not going to return. If trimmed in early june, by mid june it has to be trimmed again, and again in aug..........

Cannabis farmers for some reason, think they are exempt from the basic rules of all farming. They arent. Perhaps someone can find an exception, but let me go further to state unequivocally:

To my knowledge, there is no annual, herbacious or food agricultural crop in the world in which the grower can plant the crop and forget it. Its my understanding that pinnapples, bannanas, tea, corn, soy and every other crop in the world must be tended. Crops must be tended

Cannabis must be tended to if the grower is to expect any positive results.

 

[antimatter]

thanks for sticking to the topic badmf.

Any problem can be corrected, but you have to be there to correct it..

Every suggestion you gave is accurate, i agree. What i dont agree on is that it can all be done in advance. If you put your netting on your seedling, is it still effective when the plant is 8'?

Stakes are great and fix the problem just as you suggest, but you cant stake a seedling and expect a full buded 8' to be supported. You have to go back when the plant is bigger and stake it.

trim it back?? When the seedling is planted, there isnt much native veg growth. 2 months later in june, its a jungle. When would you suggest trimming it back if youre not going to return. If trimmed in early june, by mid june it has to be trimmed again, and again in aug..........

Cannabis farmers for some reason, think they are exempt from the basic rules of all farming. They arent. Perhaps someone can find an exception, but let me go further to state unequivocally:

To my knowledge, there is no annual, herbacious or food agricultural crop in the world in which the grower can plant the crop and forget it. Its my understanding that pinnapples, bannanas, tea, corn, soy and every other crop in the world must be tended. Crops must be tended

Cannabis must be tended to if the grower is to expect any positive results.

I think your completely right in the sense that if you have 40 plants and you want them to grow and yield well, you should fully amend all your holes and cage everything, and give them as much water and fertilizer as they need. You can grow 40 1lb+ plants could get ripped or 40 4-6 oz plants that might get eaten/molded/grown over/ripped/drought etc., but if you plant 500 of those 4-6 oz plants in very good no maintenance spots you end up in a better position. It always comes down the location..

 

[vod]

Where do we start?

My exp is nothing like what some here have/claim, I don't grow in the US and I had my share of problems, but...
Well I'll just state what I've seen and done.

I never watered my plants. Never, whole season. Some of them weren't big when harvested but some were decent (2.5m high, 2m diameter). Of course I water at transplant but not always. I try to let the rain do that job.

It's not quite total no maintenance since I got to plant, top dress once or twice (or not at all), sex and harvest and basically check on the plants about once a month (depends on location, can be 6 weeks between visits).

Snails are the only, albeit quite serious, threat to young plants in my area, but they are dealt with by means of iron-III-phosphate poison.

I have dear shit under my plants, but they don't eat them. I had one plant topped at young age last year and that's it. No problem. Lot's of dear around, but lush vegetation everywhere so not an issue.

I had my first grow terminated by a fox or some other animal that dug my plants out, but that's easily countered by prepping the spot in advance and planting more.

I have bugs on my plants, I don't do anything about it. They're not an issue in my area and during the last 3 years. Just some holes in the leaves from a bug that feeds on the young shoots, but it doesn't bother the plants. I had aphids but they were gone when plants reached 1m. Hemp is a though plant, it can defend its self. Really tasty only for humans. Maybe rabbits as well, I have a shit ton of rabbits in my area but not in my spots (at least never saw one or any traces).

Generally all the issues sb mentioned are best countered by planting MORE than what you need.

My only issues are snails and mold. Both not so bad as to make guerrilla and no/little maintenance impossible. You do spray for mold right, sb? Coming twice to spray is still no maintenance in my book.

And hemp overgrown by surrounding veg??? I stomp on it while planting and when my plants get established and start growing nothing that grows here can compete for light with hemp.

Im starting to get the impression that you 2 have never grown outdoors in your life and are trolling around to start trouble. You certainly havent provided any growing info to suggest otherwise.

I don't think anyone who has read a bit of what Julian writes here and has any exp with growing outdoors can think that true. That is a ridiculous claim there.



Here a few pics of no maintenance weed for some color in the thread. I only come to pull males and plant new ganja into the holes (as well as bring in the slug poison).



forgot the storm/hail issue. wind? no problem. a sheltered spot fixes it. hail? fuck hail. it doesn't hail every week and especially not during harvest time (in my area). I had some heavy weather this year. Not golf balls or bricks falling from the sky though
I did notice the damage but it was just some perforated/torn of leaves... certainly not an issue.


As to TOTAL no maintenance... with my environment (adequate rainfall) and fems I can't see why it shouldn't work. Sure you have to budget for loss and plant more, but it's not the issue.

 

[Julian]

You mean you know the "secret" too???....(very nice btw....)

Well, no maintenance seems to be confused with doing nothing.

There is no reason multiple issues cannot be countered at the same time, and this has to do with efficiency, and planning.

Cage? Cage when you plant. Feeding? Handle when you prep. Trimming?, trim when you plant. Watering? In 2+" rainfall, prep holes in advance (should be anyway), saturate, and plant before rains......and on and on and on and on.....4 tasks above that are all combined...(And actually, most cages I never pull....top stays open, they grow right through and later in season have larger ones with an old cage around base....depends on how it was/is caged.....)

Eliminating visits because one can accomplish multiple things at certain times eliminating needless trips in no way represents doing nothing, ever, which again seems to be what most see that at....

Take me 1 minute to find a 2+lber, among many slightly less that was 2 visits between May (planted) and July (stopped for check and feed and realized mid flowering would require multiple visits as things were getting too large...second half flowering, we were on site every week, but, again, multiple actions performed....(bracing some, feeding others, cutting some, etc.....) The aforementioned would be organic no maintenance btw ....actually majority of my gallery is no maintenance organic (some no maintenance chem in there from last season) Here you go Drilled, prepped, saturated, planted, caged, top feed, 2 visits from planted to this picture. And 2nd to say "wow....this is a great spot, isn't it?", and dump some nutes and walk away....

I don't think I've watered a plant a single time out of necessity in my entire life.....

Polymers?...50+yrs of results available....adopted by US Dept. Agriculture....(One could of course use them in dry areas....that is one of their uses, but, of course would require rehydration...not going to hold an entire season of water without rehydrating......)

All about efficiency......If one feels the need to make 5 trips to accomplish 5 things they could have on 1, that is their choice....and/or a flaw in their planning....

Both nothing to strive for.....

but let me go further to state unequivocally:

You do that. All you like. ....



Threadstarter.....sorry.....just happened......my apologies.....but I'm not the guy....so...

 

[Guest]

Its becomming clear that my enviroment is a bit more hostile than others. No fence is going to deter these deer and theyll eat predator piss or any other kind right along with the weed. They run in herds of 15- 20 deer and if the rain backs off, they will eat everything in sight. Bugs here can destroy a plant in days. I have to check everytime we have a severe thunderstorm. And the biggest suprise all is discounting the growth rate of natural vegetation. Here, you could plow and cut a spot and in 60 days you couldnt find the spot due to the overgrowth. Marijuana plants cant compete and wont be there if you don't tend them.

Well said Vod. I agree with most of what you said. I feel one can be successful with a mimimum of maintenance and good planning can reduce it still.

Ive never seen a cage that you could place at transplant and then not remove it all season.

Im a little suprised at this discussion . Most of the growers here work hard to harvest a crop while tending it, let alone set and forget. Ive read many thread of failed grows of guys trying to do their best. Im also suprised that variety hasnt been mentioned which in my mind is half of the battle.