Old school

[luciano28]

It does have them long ass pistils like my Jack Herer Hazy pheno. Nice plants Detroit!

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Sorry, no close ups other then pic #2. The buds we extremely airy...the calyxs when dried where so small and space between them. The hairs were so big the hid everything. With only being a 5 fingered small leaf sativa....i'm not sure about haze. But than again...i'm definately no expert.

I've known this guy my whole life and he was never into the indoor scene or "zombie weed" as he calls it...he talks about pot that made him wanna hike and play frisbee but he can't get. So if he saved these...who knows.

I really wasn't prepared for a long flowering sativa and even myself questioned the beans at first...after 12 weeks it was just messin up the current plans. When i get some more time (and have a plan), I have about 20-30 of his beans left and a cut of this plant. I'm curious if any more will germinate..and if so...what might be there. Probably won't be spectacular..but at least it will be interesting.

 

[Hammerhead]

Did someone say Jack Herer Haze Pheno this gir is 100% pure haze from what they used to make JH. Whats interesting is 95% of the leaf's are 3 blade only the suger leaf's are 5 blade

It does have them long ass pistils like my Jack Herer Hazy pheno. Nice plants Detroit!

 

[THC•20]

Sorry, no close ups other then pic #2. The buds we extremely airy...the calyxs when dried where so small and space between them. The hairs were so big the hid everything. With only being a 5 fingered small leaf sativa....i'm not sure about haze. But than again...i'm definately no expert.

I've known this guy my whole life and he was never into the indoor scene or "zombie weed" as he calls it...he talks about pot that made him wanna hike and play frisbee but he can't get. So if he saved these...who knows.

I really wasn't prepared for a long flowering sativa and even myself questioned the beans at first...after 12 weeks it was just messin up the current plans. When i get some more time (and have a plan), I have about 20-30 of his beans left and a cut of this plant. I'm curious if any more will germinate..and if so...what might be there. Probably won't be spectacular..but at least it will be interesting.

Maybe the cut will be better than the seed plant? I dunno but I feel that guy about not liking zombie weed, when I have a buzz that feels energetic or the type of weed that makes you want to clean, it makes you feel bad about all the naps and long hours of your life you wasted from being so sedated by those indica's and such lol. Have you read those tips about cracking old seeds? There are some threads on here some where that helps gives high germination rates on even older seeds, I forgot what to even search for though :

 

[BurmeseDragon]

Any vintage bud porn of the eastern Indicas? I saw some modern bud shots, but I remember seeing an old school vintage bud shot of a Hindu-Kush......wouldn't mind seeing some of those old bud porn shots again.

 

[stonedsurfer]

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[Dr. Detroit]

Cinderella99...those are indoor and it was just an experiment ot see if the old codger was pullin a fast one on me.

I'm a pathelogical bean cracker anyway. My motto is ....the grass is always greener in the next bean.

 

[Cinderella99]

Hahahaha! So, was he? Whad'ya think?

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Nah, i think it's all legit.

I'm not sure of the true potency (i'm still guessing not that great), but i've never smelled anything like it and it IS 100% sativa from what i can tell. Had it been a hybrid i probably would have not kept a cut because for legal purposes...i don't have the space to keep unknown junk around.

Now that i'm technically legal (state level) I can experiment on a small scale. I just want to get as much info/advice/guidance as possible so i don't waste more time than i need to.

 

[luciano28]

Damn Hammerhead, that plant looks awesome. Is it Pure Haze or Jack, sure does look like haze.

Have you ever ran her before, how many days?

I should of said Jock too, not Jack, mine had big somewhat homogenous buds, bud nice long silky pistils. She needed a cure too, the smoke was/is like 3 times better than weeks after I chopped her.

Early in flower

Close to the end

Started flushing a little too early, she kept getting bigger despite bottom buds being done, weird,, I need to get better at growing Sativa dom strains indoors, I could of did a lot better I think

Gave her WAY too many nutes at first too

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Damn!

That bottom pic is insane!

Kudos on some great f'n grows guys!

 

[Hammerhead]

my giril is on 70 days she stil has up to 130 days.

 

[luciano28]

my giril is on 70 days she stil has up to 130 days.

Whoa!! Yeah thats a long time, mine was like 100 days when I chopped, 85+ from first flowers I think.

That shit looks like its gonna be fire HH.


Dr. Detroit, Id like to take credit for the color of her in that pic but I think that was the flash on the cam for the most part, still its one of my fave pics of mine too, haha. Thanks though man.

 

[Dalaihempy]

There will always be 2 positions Hempy, the complainers and the guys who try to do something instead. Is obvious and truth, so much is lost and legacy recieved and saved for our children is reduced to a minimal part of what it was before, usually most potent but hybridated, not pure.
Is another fact, most people of cannabis dont give a shit about.... cannabis genepool. Thus we are strange community, we may collaborate saving whales or ants... but cannabis diversity? You shouldnt be much worried about marketing or not of sativas, we are in XXI century amigo, almost nobody grows them.

There are plenty of lines around yet to make some nice and new hybrids be sure. And although in what we understand for sativas potency and quality are so rare to find in most and you need to dig deep and deep and never know if worth, some hybrids can be quite potent yet and in comparison to present well known stablished genetics. Be sure challenge of this job is so high compared with if done with old times hyper-potent lines.

There is a point also about extreme potency weed and thats more related to medical users. I dont know how can they benefit for instance of a extremely potent and trippy Haze if not used to smoke! Taking in account some sativa hybrids can so useful medicine for many people and effects sometimes more friendly, lots of medical users can get their relief with different and unique hybrids bred with different present sativas. Dont know if we should lock all doors yet. At least intelectually I can't, I benefit myslef smoking them. Don't think we know all. Cannabis richness has many and different faces to be useful, not only extremes and value is not same than price.

I would pay as well

Best wishes all

Hiya charlie i think people have little choice but to get whats on offer mate fact is few really offer any thing old school if they do its often a hybrid.

I think to be fair most complain as theres little offerd of the old school lines and i my self feel all the old and new lines have a place as most could not grow the old school sativas in there location any way and a hybrid of a given old line would also be something lots would try but the problem as i see it charlie is this.

To many people dont have a clue about just what a given old line was yet others see $ and will tag a line thats not even close to the original strain the name was from to id it and then make good $ from it and yet the plant being sold is nothing close to it can you relate to what im saying here.

Like a seed bank offering pure thia yet the line flowers in 9 to 11 weeks and looks dutch wich is far from what thia does and looks like yet its happening and by a few out there.

Then we have those in the community that infact do have real lines yet at best offer a hybrid of it not wanting to release the pure line as others will use it to make $ from it also or hord the line.

Fact is a lot of the old lines many think are gone are not they are still being grown and are in the hands of people who dont see the $ part but see the smoke and quolity of smoke it will produce and do infact shear genetics freely and do it asking for nothing back but if a new lines is also past back it is taken with much respect.

Do you know charlie i my self up untill 2002 when i joined the on line community and researched read belived all the old lines were as avaluble as sk1 is today or the many dutch and other lines are and was very suprised to see little in the way of pure sativas being offerd by many breeders.

I know there are lots of old scholl sativas still here in the hands of old growers and also younger growers who have had lines past down to them but few bother with posting or joining the comminity as all there cearing about is growing a good supplie of quolity smoke to get them threw till next harvest.

I also know there are old lines just like here in the hands of older and younger grows in the US and in many other countrys they were originaly grown in or countrys they were exported to the thing we as a community need to do is net work collect breed and pass them around make them avaluble to all that want them.

Not all will wont them but those that do are going to grow and breed seed and do the same only then will you be able to realy spreed and preserve those lines the breeders that could infact offer them for sale can make money for there efferts as most people dont want to grow out plants keep males selct and make seed they just want to select a fem keep her in clone and flower her out as most do now.

In short charlie for change to come the comminity has to change first that means egos and greed need to be put under control people need to relise that first mate.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Fact is a lot of the old lines many think are gone are not they are still being grown and are in the hands of people who dont see the $ part but see the smoke and quolity of smoke it will produce and do infact shear genetics freely and do it asking for nothing back but if a new lines is also past back it is taken with much respect.

Yeah, i think it will take for it to become legal in some way in order for the old strains to come back.

The MMJ law just went into effect here in Michigan and i was pleasantly suprised to find out how many cool old strains are within driving distance of me! All old growers of course and most i think would never use a site like this because they have what they want and know what they are doing.

 

[JamieShoes]

anyways, you'll be pleased to hear that NL5xHazexSkunk is being re released this year :wink:

 

[Raco]

Old School...hmmmmmmm

Pic courtesy of Dimajones :wink:

 

[Cinderella99]

LOL, Raco...That is NOT unfunny.

Hempy said: Not all will wont them but those that do are going to grow and breed seed and do the same only then will you be able to realy spreed and preserve those lines the breeders that could infact offer them for sale can make money for there efferts as most people dont want to grow out plants keep males selct and make seed they just want to select a fem keep her in clone and flower her out as most do now.

Agreed, but I think a network has to be set up in a separate place than at a site that needs to pay the bills by hosting vendors. This is business and it's just what makes the world go 'round in most instances. Personally? I listen to National Public Radio to avoid the influence of advertisers on my news report diet. However, to think that even a non-profit, well moderated network/site dedicated to old school sativa preservation would be immune to free market ideology or the basic laws of supply and demand, I think would be a bit naive. I'll bet you that 90% of this site's members are canna-capitalists or aspiring canna-capitalists. Capital will always dictate the evolution of domesticated cannabis, to a large extent, since the kids want to grow big, stoney buds quickly in small spaces with artificial light and our best breeders and kind hosts need to make a living.

I think that if you look at canna-evolution through this macro-economic/supply and demand lens, you'll see that there's a very good argument to support people like Tom Hill and Ace since they're not going for the fast indica hype cash, but instead playing a role in preserving some of these old sativas (regardless of whether they are "pure" haze). I think that's what Charlie may have been saying. I for one, would love to play a role in a non-profit old school sativa preservation project network....It's just that I've got nosy neighbors with kids and cramped indoor space so I need to grow a hybrid for now ;-)

 

[Raco]

1976

here some vintage pics from and 76' High Times magazine.

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Thx Pablo :wink:

 

[BENJI]

Always coming up with stuff that makes me stare at the screen love them old school buds!!!