Obama will Prosecute Medical Marijuana Providers

[Rainman]

He was not arrested for a few side sales!! Lets be honest here. He also has some issues with taxes, large sums of money, and being "the guy" in town who liked to be seen and challenge them(cops) at any chance. It wasnt like some guy sold a few bags of chronic out the back of the store and got caught and it turned into this fed. thing people. It is a very complicated and diluted problem no doubt, but lets no act like he is a matyr and bears no responsibility for some of this. And it has alot to do with state and fed laws not being the same or having the same sentencing guidlines, minimum amounts/type of charge. And!!! And!!!! Why is there no out cry against the Sheriff who couldnt get him on anything state or local on his own, so he called the feds in to do what he couldnt. The feds didnt care about CL until the local Sheriff made them care. We call it snitchin where im from but thats another thread. Even if it was a few years ago and things were not as eased he woulda gotten the same treatment today if the Sheriff of the county was caliin the fed piggys and cryin like a school girl about the guy!! Think about what they would bring to the table that the Sheriff could not. Wire taps, computer snooping, non-stop surveilance. All these things brought down on him not by Obama or the feds but the local Sheriff. Yet no one has even bothered mentioned it. In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty.


Now with that being said I feel in my heart the judge will toss the conviction or go with time served( to show how confusing it is to the courts). This will almost force Obama to address the issue more clearly. I hope. Yes!! HOPE people.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

guys whats the update?!??! WHat is CL's sentence?

my roomates brother's trial for attempted murder is also today, he stabbed some dude a few years ago and now two years later the case is finally here, pretty nervous to say the least.

 

[nephilthim]

He was not arrested for a few side sales!! Lets be honest here. He also has some issues with taxes, large sums of money, and being "the guy" in town who liked to be seen and challenge them(cops) at any chance. It wasnt like some guy sold a few bags of chronic out the back of the store and got caught and it turned into this fed. thing people. It is a very complicated and diluted problem no doubt, but lets no act like he is a matyr and bears no responsibility for some of this. And it has alot to do with state and fed laws not being the same or having the same sentencing guidlines, minimum amounts/type of charge. And!!! And!!!! Why is there no out cry against the Sheriff who couldnt get him on anything state or local on his own, so he called the feds in to do what he couldnt. The feds didnt care about CL until the local Sheriff made them care. We call it snitchin where im from but thats another thread. Even if it was a few years ago and things were not as eased he woulda gotten the same treatment today if the Sheriff of the county was caliin the fed piggys and cryin like a school girl about the guy!! Think about what they would bring to the table that the Sheriff could not. Wire taps, computer snooping, non-stop surveilance. All these things brought down on him not by Obama or the feds but the local Sheriff. Yet no one has even bothered mentioned it. In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty.


Now with that being said I feel in my heart the judge will toss the conviction or go with time served( to show how confusing it is to the courts). This will almost force Obama to address the issue more clearly. I hope. Yes!! HOPE people.

why do you draw feds issues into state matters,wtf does taxes,money have to do with feds intervening on behalf of states ?I for one wish you would stop flapping your buraucratic yap with filth!so you take exception with people and freedom of speech?taxes?wtf call in the i.r.s. lamer.
I can see where you feel the need to not call him a martyr as his case,and his kids coming into contact with c.p.s. might be construed as a conflict of interest,and that would disclude you and anything you should subsequently say as being invalid and a conflcit of interest since where do you work?!

 

[saint]

!!! Why is there no out cry against the Sheriff who couldnt get him on anything state or local on his own, .

Cant see the forrest for the trees.

 

[saint]

why do you draw feds issues into state matters,wtf does taxes,money have to do with feds intervening on behalf of states ?I for one wish you would stop flapping your buraucratic yap with filth!so you take exception with people and freedom of speech?taxes?wtf call in the i.r.s. lamer.
I can see where you feel the need to not call him a martyr as his case,and his kids coming into contact with c.p.s. might be construed as a conflict of interest,and that would disclude you and anything you should subsequently say as being invalid and a conflcit of interest since where do you work?!

I think it's probably a federal matter when you don't pay taxes. And that's all they could get him for...it was the sherriff that brought them into the matter. Like he actually put in his post. So your question there was already anwsered sir.

I for one hope the judge sees the run around that was created, Maybe he's not a "martyr" but IMHO he shouldn't be convicted of jack.

 

[Rainman]

Hey Forrest, I didnt draw the feds into anything! The local sheriff did that! Do you even know anything about the case or are you just here flapping your 'irrational gums'? You havent made one rational statement and have ranted in every thread you have been in. Give us something to read other than your jargon and attacks. The feds were simply asked to reveiw the case as it stood under the current law which hasnt been canged. The judge asked for clarification on the case and the law based on the AG's recent statements. The feds said the case was consistant with the 'current' law. So now we wait to see what the judge will do. We hope the rigt thing. HOPE! Do you have a clue what is going on or do you just want attention. We arent so fooled to just follow you blindly. I am speaking on the merits of the case, the situation that lead to all of this, and the outright ignoring of the fact theres more to it than you obviously dont know. I dont want him to go to jail but I cant ignore the entire situation surounding the case either. Stop ranting and come up with something clear and concise, that wont bore the shit out of us like you have so far.

One last thing. You can stop trying to use his kids as a missle you can launch at me when you cant come up with anything better to offer to the issue. To use a child as your go to move in a debate is well, childish, to say the least. And guess what? I still work for CPS and you still cant come up with anything better there either. We went through this days ago. You have no business being in a thread like this so go back to the munchies mansion and hang out where you belong.

 

[danut]

The feds were simply asked to reveiw the case as it stood under the current law which hasnt been canged. The judge asked for clarification on the case and the law based on the AG's recent statements.

I believe the judge asked for a detailed explanation of the current US policy.

The feds said the case was consistant with the 'current' law.

They didn't provide what the judge asked for.

 

[Rainman]

Danut - Judges only deal with Laws. They do not intepret policies or statements just laws. No Laws have been changed and that is basically what the feds are saying in the reply statement.

 

[danut]

Danut - Judges only deal with Laws. They do not intepret policies or statements just laws. No Laws have been changed and that is basically what the feds are saying in the reply statement.

The judge asked for the policy. Not the law.

This was supposed to be to help determine sentence.

Have you ever heard of a "blue law?"

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

Just cause I think this pic is too funny.

 

[Rainman]

FreedomF - Now thats funny!

This article explains it as clearly as possible. I think the judge will follow suit with how they did Ed.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/story/692288.html

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

the raids will continue all over the world so long as the current system is in place; no vote will change that, nor revolution, perhaps evolution? who knows...

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I didnt wade through the whole thread so pardon if I repeat anyone else. A few things:

1. OK so the DoJ was already prosecuting these cases before Obama took office. Great. He can pardon each and every one of them with a flick of his pen and really enact his new "policy change". Who wants to bet when that happens??? Yeah I didnt think so.

2. Funny how Obama can decline to prosecute people that tortured (read the headlines...Im not making that up) but he can't decline to prosecute MMJ dispensaries? So can he decline to prosecute people or can't he? Can't play it both ways.

3. Can't wait to see the excuses over the next year or so when MMJ guys are still being busted. I imagine "selling to underage" will be a real common accusation. Lastly, isn't that a state law violation, not a federal violation? The feds don't recognize any such thing as an "underage marijuana buyer" so why are the Feds prosecuting for such things? If an MMJ operator breaks state laws then it's the STATE that should be prosecuting. Lots of funny little word games going on with this stuff and I predict it will get even more convoluted as MMJ operators continue to get busted and prosecuted by the feds.

Obama is more of the same. Not a damn thing has changed. Why do people keep thinking it has?

 

[Payaso]

Sentencing delayed for marijuana dispensary owner

Associated Press - April 23, 2009 8:44 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A judge has postponed sentencing for a Morro Bay medical marijuana dispensary convicted of 5 federal counts, including distributing the drug.

Charles Lynch was scheduled to be sentenced Thursday, but the judge delayed a decision until June 11 in federal court in Los Angeles.

The decision came after attorneys argued about what kind of prison sentence, if any, the 47-year-old should receive in light of statements made last month by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

Holder indicated federal agents will target marijuana distributors only when they violate federal and state laws. California allows medical use of marijuana and Lynch was not charged with any state crimes.

Lynch was convicted in federal court in August of distributing marijuana.

 

[JJScorpio]

It's unethical, but this Judge needs to be sent letters commending him. He's forcing Obama to show his hand. God bless him for that.....

If Bush were still President Charles Lynch would be in prison right now. There's no question about that. Instead, through Holder, Obama made statements that he would not interfere in med patients and dispensories, and this Judge is forcing him to put up or shut up.

Nows the time to flood Obama's office with letters. Polite letters reminding him of his promise, along with articles factually showing the need for medical marijuana. If we can get Obama to do this it would be a very large step in getting laws changed....

 

[Blue Dot]

Sentencing delayed for marijuana dispensary owner

Associated Press - April 23, 2009 8:44 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A judge has postponed sentencing for a Morro Bay medical marijuana dispensary convicted of 5 federal counts, including distributing the drug.

Charles Lynch was scheduled to be sentenced Thursday, but the judge delayed a decision until June 11 in federal court in Los Angeles.

The decision came after attorneys argued about what kind of prison sentence, if any, the 47-year-old should receive in light of statements made last month by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

Holder indicated federal agents will target marijuana distributors only when they violate federal and state laws. California allows medical use of marijuana and Lynch was not charged with any state crimes.

Lynch was convicted in federal court in August of distributing marijuana.

Wow. I'm actually really suprised by this.

I expected to come home, log in and find that the hammer was dropped on charlie.

This actually excites me. I really think this judge Wu is a bit of a radical. Nice to see in the usually button down fed system.

It ain't over yet.

 

[Rainman]

Wu was appointed by Bush so I dont know how radical that would makem but it is a good sign that the courts wont be pawns. They want Obama to clarify the law which is good cause it keeps the issue front and center.

Itsgrowtime - So Obama should be the one responsible for freeing the thousands of convicted people since he has that power right now? How long would that take? He as not made a policy change. The torture statement is a little off base since it was the congress, Condi, and Cheney who all approved the techniques the news is raging over. He isnt declining to prosecute them and not CL. Lynch's case is basically the last fuck you from the Bush days of doing things. I havent seen any busts since the LA thing that created the response from Holder also. If you have been paying attention to the thread you would see that the feds do recognize under age as being under 21, when it comes to drug sales, which is what the judge is asking for clarification on as well. Obama isnt more of the same and it is already better right now than you have ever had it on the issue so that real change!! And thats why we know it has!

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Wu was appointed by Bush so I dont know how radical that would makem but it is a good sign that the courts wont be pawns. They want Obama to clarify the law which is good cause it keeps the issue front and center.

Itsgrowtime - So Obama should be the one responsible for freeing the thousands of convicted people since he has that power right now? How long would that take? He as not made a policy change. The torture statement is a little off base since it was the congress, Condi, and Cheney who all approved the techniques the news is raging over. He isnt declining to prosecute them and not CL. Lynch's case is basically the last fuck you from the Bush days of doing things. I havent seen any busts since the LA thing that created the response from Holder also. If you have been paying attention to the thread you would see that the feds do recognize under age as being under 21, when it comes to drug sales, which is what the judge is asking for clarification on as well. Obama isnt more of the same and it is already better right now than you have ever had it on the issue so that real change!! And thats why we know it has!

The torture comment was to put this issue into perspective since posters earlier in the thread commented how Obama isn't a prosecutor. My point was that hasn't stopped him from declining to prosecute people over the torture scandal lately. He's already personally said that he won't prosecute anyone over torture. Then he flip-flopped and said he won't prosecute the actual torturers. Then he flipped again and said he would leave it up to Holder to decide to prosecute Bush officials that authorized it. Bottom line, either he can control who is prosecuted for crimes or he can't. It doesn't change depending on which issue happens to be up for discussion. It just looks like more selective arguments from people that are already Obama supporters and are always looking for a way to justify his actions.

Save the rah-rah "Change" stuff. I'd pick your statement apart but JJ would probably delete my post since he's an Obama follower like you, so let's keep it on topic. Btw, I don't live in Cali so I assure you nothing at all is for the better than Ive ever had it. No laws have changed in my state. I just keep seeing unemployment going up, more houses with For Sale signs out front, and I still have to worry about getting busted.

 

[Payaso]

It was a surprise to me also!

I think ultimately that this must be good news for Charles Lynch...and I wish him the best. Nobody should go to jail for operating a legal business, especially one providing medicine to sick people.

Now what's next for Eddy Lepp? He is now rescheduled (yet again) for May 18th. But his judge is not actively seeking an opinion from the Obama administration...or at least publicly.

 

[JJScorpio]

Save the rah-rah "Change" stuff. I'd pick your statement apart but JJ would probably delete my post since he's an Obama follower like you, so let's keep it on topic. Btw, I don't live in Cali so I assure you nothing at all is for the better than Ive ever had it. No laws have changed in my state. I just keep seeing unemployment going up, more houses with For Sale signs out front, and I still have to worry about getting busted.

You need to be careful with your accusations. For the record, I didn't vote Obama, but I'm a little optimistic that he's made the comment he intends to stop raids and keep out of the State's way if they decide to legalize. I'm also smart enough to realize with everything going on in the world today that the Pres can't put weed legalization at the top of the list. Then again after what we went through the last eight years I'd be optimistic if Satan were running the Country...