ACETONE is WIDELY used as an ORGANIC solvent.

[WhoMan]

http://www.answers.com/topic/acetone

ac·e·tone (ăs'ĭ-tōn'
A colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone, CH3COCH3, widely used as an organic solvent.

 

[Wfw1]

I like the Britannica definition:

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: acetone
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Simplest and most important ketone (CH3COCH3). It is a colourless, flammable liquid, boiling at 133 °F (56.2 °C). Many fats, resins, and organic materials dissolve easily in it, so it is used to make artificial fibres, explosives, resins, paints, inks, cosmetics (including nail-polish remover), coatings, and adhesives. Acetone is used as a chemical intermediate in pharmaceuticals and many other compounds.

Edit: and Little did we know it's made from iso:

Acetone is produced commercially chiefly by catalytic dehydrogenation of isopropanol.

 

[gunnaknow]

WhoMan, why did you capitalise and underline the word organic, as if it was significant in some way? By organic, what is meant is that it contains carbon. Besides water, most common solvents are organic compounds. I think that you might be confusing the term to mean biotic, which is one of the other meanings of the term. A more significant point would be to say that acetone is naturally biosynthesized by organisms, including humans and that trace amounts within the blood would therefore be tolerable, in the event that acetone vapours were inhaled from poor ventilation or inproper purging.

The name "organic" is historical, dating back to the 19th century, when it was believed that organic compounds could only be synthesized in living organisms through vis vitalis - the "life-force". The theory that organic compounds were fundamentally different from those that were "inorganic", that is, not synthesized through a life-force, was disproved with the synthesis of urea, an "organic" compound by definition of its known occurrence only in the urine of living organisms, from potassium cyanate and ammonium sulfate by Friedrich Wöhler in the Wöhler synthesis. The kinds of carbon compounds that are still traditionally considered inorganic are those that were considered inorganic before Wöhler's time; that is, those which came from "inorganic" (i.e., lifeless) sources such as minerals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound

Measurements of organic matter generally measure only organic compounds or carbon, and so are only an approximation of the level of once-living or decomposed matter. Some definitions of organic matter likewise only consider "organic matter" to refer to only the carbon content, or organic compounds, and do not consider the origins or decomposition of the matter. In this sense, not all organic compounds are created by living organisms, and living organisms do not only leave behind organic material. A clam's shell, for example, while biotic, does not contain much organic carbon, so may not be considered organic matter in this sense. Conversely, urea is one of many organic compounds that can be synthesized without any biological activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_material

 

[Wfw1]

Someone flamed him in his other thread saying something like `Acetone eww I hope you don`t grow organic that`d be a waste`

Meanwhile little did this little knowledged person know, as you stated gunna, is actually a naturally biosynthesized chemical.

 

[WhoMan]

Someone flamed him in his other thread saying something like `Acetone eww I hope you don`t grow organic that`d be a waste`

Meanwhile little did this little knowledged person know, as you stated gunna, is actually a naturally biosynthesized chemical.

Good lookin out Wfw.

 

[Wfw1]

Np man, idiots drive me insane so the less of them around the better and the only way to do that is to educate them, maybe I should be a teacher.

 

[WhoMan]

Np man, idiots drive me insane so the less of them around the better and the only way to do that is to educate them, maybe I should be a teacher.

No doubt about it.

 

[Sammet]

Aye sorry to say there are different definitions of organic. Ones to do with chemistry (a compound comprising carbon), the other is a farming/growing practise.

There is nothing "natural" about acetone. (natural as in pertaining to nature)

 

[WhoMan]

Aye sorry to say there are different definitions of organic. Ones to do with chemistry (a compound comprising carbon), the other is a farming/growing practise.

There is nothing "natural" about acetone. (natural as in pertaining to nature)

Organic is organic bro. FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS LIVING
Generally, hydrocarbons are not found in living organisms, but are found in quantity in fossil fuels, which used to be living organisms. So that makes it "naturally organic" (PERTAINING TO NATURE)

Fossil fuels or mineral fuels are fossil source fuels, that is, carbon or hydrocarbons found in the earth’s crust.
Fossil fuel range from volatile materials with low carbon:hydrogen ratios like methane, to liquid petroleum to nonvolatile materials composed of almost pure carbon, like anthracite coal. Methane can be found in hydrocarbon fields, alone, associated with oil, or in the form of methane clathrates. It is generally accepted that they formed from the fossilized remains of dead plants and animals[1] by exposure to heat and pressure in the Earth's crust over hundreds of millions of years.[2] This biogenic theory was first introduced by Georg Agricola in 1556 and later by Mikhail Lomonosov in 2008

 

[Sammet]

What you say is 100% correct WhoMan.

But it does not mean that you can use any fossil fuel derivative in organic farming.


"Northbourne’s (the first person to use the term Organic Farming) key contribution is the idea of the farm as organism. He wrote of “the
farm as a living whole”. In the first elaboration of this concept, he wrote that
“the farm itself must have a biological completeness; it must be a living entity, it must
be a unit which has within itself a balanced organic life”. A farm that relied on
“imported fertility … cannot be self-sufficient nor an organic whole” (p.97). For Lord
Northbourne “the farm must be organic in more senses than one” (p. 98), and he presents the holistic view that “The soil and the microorganisms in it together with the
plants growing on it form an organic whole”"


Taken from John Paull, "The Farm as Organism: The Foundational Idea of Organic Agriculture", Elementals: Journal of Bio-Dynamics Tasmania, vol. 80 (2006): pp. 14-18.

If you want to, you can also look at Organic certification.

It's two different things, easy to make mistake.

(and you don't find Acetone in the environment naturally - hence the pertaining to nature - it is a chemical synthesised by man - aka a man-made organic chemical)

 

[kansasgrown]

Personally I like to use acetone (from hardware store) to make my hash oil instead of alcohol.

 

[WhoMan]

What you say is 100% correct WhoMan.

But it does not mean that you can use any fossil fuel derivative in organic farming.


"Northbourne’s (the first person to use the term Organic Farming) key contribution is the idea of the farm as organism. He wrote of “the
farm as a living whole”. In the first elaboration of this concept, he wrote that
“the farm itself must have a biological completeness; it must be a living entity, it must
be a unit which has within itself a balanced organic life”. A farm that relied on
“imported fertility … cannot be self-sufficient nor an organic whole” (p.97). For Lord
Northbourne “the farm must be organic in more senses than one” (p. 98), and he presents the holistic view that “The soil and the microorganisms in it together with the
plants growing on it form an organic whole”"


Taken from John Paull, "The Farm as Organism: The Foundational Idea of Organic Agriculture", Elementals: Journal of Bio-Dynamics Tasmania, vol. 80 (2006): pp. 14-18.

If you want to, you can also look at Organic certification.

It's two different things, easy to make mistake.

(and you don't find Acetone in the environment naturally - hence the pertaining to nature - it is a chemical synthesised by man - aka a man-made organic chemical)

I feel you bro but the farming has been done this is extracting Using an organic extractor, Manipulation of resins. That is where you got lost, but i do like your sense of knowledge. Keep it coming. And i respect where you are coming from.
kinda like raising a cow then cooking it, you know you cant cook a cow while your raising it you feel me

 

[Wfw1]

Hum many good points.

 

[deltronZER0]

the fact that it's "organic" (as in contains carbons), doesnt mean anything.
if you've ever been in an organic chemistry lab, you'd know that there are so many "organic" solvents (including simple ones) and chemicals that give you nasty cancer.
the only thing this lets us know is that you could potentially do a liquid-liquid extraction to pull out the water soluble chemicals in the "organic" layer (the acetone/THC wash)

 

[Kid Drunkadelic]

the fact that it's "organic" (as in contains carbons), doesnt mean anything.
if you've ever been in an organic chemistry lab, you'd know that there are so many "organic" solvents (including simple ones) and chemicals that give you nasty cancer.
the only thing this lets us know is that you could potentially do a liquid-liquid extraction to pull out the water soluble chemicals in the "organic" layer (the acetone/THC wash)

Yes.. correct. Sorry WhoMan and Wfw, but acetone is sadly not organic in the way the most people who farm would describe it... by your definition gasoline is organic simply because it's a mix of hydrocarbons.. would you pour gasoline on your plants?

 

[WhoMan]

Yes.. correct. Sorry WhoMan and Wfw, but acetone is sadly not organic in the way the most people who farm would describe it... by your definition gasoline is organic simply because it's a mix of hydrocarbons.. would you pour gasoline on your plants?

Sorry but the farming is done(This is an acetone extraction, NOT A GASOLINE EXTRACTION, such a huge difference) the plants hav been fed and harvested to the full potentialWhat idiot would pour gas on there plants. . I quote YOU "but acetone is sadly not organic in the way the most people who farm would describe it..."
first thing im not MOST PEOPLE so lets get that str8. And the way you example shit is outrageous. Gasoline on plants? WTF are you talking about. BE YOURSELF, DONT BE MOST PEOPLE OR YOU WILL JUST BE LIKE MOST PEOPLE. FUCK THAT. USE WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT. ACETONE ISO GAS KEROSENE TNT DYNAMITE. its what ever bro.

 

[WhoMan]

the fact that it's "organic" (as in contains carbons), doesnt mean anything.
if you've ever been in an organic chemistry lab, you'd know that there are so many "organic" solvents (including simple ones) and chemicals that give you nasty cancer.
the only thing this lets us know is that you could potentially do a liquid-liquid extraction to pull out the water soluble chemicals in the "organic" layer (the acetone/THC wash)

NOW YOU ARE OFF ON SOME CANSER SHIT. ACETONE DOES NOT GET CONSUMED. ORGANIC IS ORGANIC (THE FARMING IS DONE) AND IF IT CAN BE USED TO EXTRACT THC IT WILL BE USED.YOU ARE NOT DOING THE SOLVENTS YOU SIMPLY USE THEM FOR THINGS.

 

[BurmeseDragon]

Ha, ya acetone comes from the earth but it's pretty damn chemi. I would hold either to a higher regard, at least it's a more pleasurable intoxicant than acetone; not that I have inhaled either.

Ethanol is probably the most organic solvent, since you can get it from organic grains and it's just a distillation of something that an organic microbe creates. Then ether is just that ethanol with sulfuric acid distilled to separate the ether, but it's still a chemi and so is ethanol.

But to get an oil, you need a solvent; although you might be able to steam distill it. Like how vaporizers create a nice vapor that condenses, same concept. A nice fraction would probably make some nice oil, more organic than a reflux with a solvent (many of those).


What happened to the other acetone thread? I added some good info there. I still don't think acetone is the best for a bud extraction, since it's both polar and nonpolar like ether and ethanol. If your going to use a chemi, just go for the heptane or hexane...bestine is heptane and napatha is a mix of both but who knows what else.

People seem to keep cannabis away from the chemi catagory, it's not a spice extraction. Although here is some info, they use hexane for your crisco!

 

[WhoMan]

Ha, ya acetone comes from the earth but it's pretty damn chemi. I would hold either to a higher regard, at least it's a more pleasurable intoxicant than acetone; not that I have inhaled either.

Ethanol is probably the most organic solvent, since you can get it from organic grains and it's just a distillation of something that an organic microbe creates. Then ether is just that ethanol with sulfuric acid distilled to separate the ether, but it's still a chemi and so is ethanol.

But to get an oil, you need a solvent; although you might be able to steam distill it. Like how vaporizers create a nice vapor that condenses, same concept. A nice fraction would probably make some nice oil, more organic than a reflux with a solvent (many of those).



What happened to the other acetone thread? I added some good info there. I still don't think acetone is the best for a bud extraction, since it's both polar and nonpolar like ether and ethanol. If your going to use a chemi, just go for the heptane or hexane...bestine is heptane and napatha is a mix of both but who knows what else.

People seem to keep cannabis away from the chemi catagory, it's not a spice extraction. Although here is some info, they use hexane for your crisco!

Good ol crisco, their is something called "HEAT' its a gas line antifreeze comes in a yellow and blue bottle, it also works and has no smell at all but i dont know much about it except it. I like the chemically organic acetone

 

[Wfw1]

I see what you mean, but it's organic enough in the sense that your whole grow is not deemed useless because you used some acetone on some of your trim to make oil.

His info was posted to share insight on acetone being a usable solvent to extract oil safely, not saying you'd want to drink it or water your plants with it.

In fact I'm sure you were just saying but were not talking about pouring anything on our plants.