Questions Regarding "Free" Materials from Boutique

[SonOfPierrot]

By rough guesstimation i've donated about... 3000 seeds across the US to various medical establishments & patients in the last 2 years, all from my own breeding stock & personal crosses, all at 0 cost to the patients, so i'm at least as proactive as Gypsy in the seed giving department, considering all my seeds were given away still viable.

I've never had anyone report success with the boutique freebies i've re-gifted to them, and i've never had success trying to generate clones for people, because the seeds never grew. No matter how many times you people keep saying, "You don't give seeds away, so you don't know", it won't become true.

Or you can just keep assuming I just have no idea what i'm talking about, i've never seen a pound of medicine in my life, i'm not a figure of note at every local dispensary, i'm just some asshole who wants some coupons or free stuff.

Pffft.

I call them as I see them, and I see far too many people on multiple message boards with the same story, crappy freebies that were a slap in the face to a paying customer.

If I had 10,000+ low-strike seeds sitting around, i'd organize local patients into little groups & go fill empty fields with hundreds of seeds, so that the 1 in 20 that grow can become yet another patch of weed for the leo to be afraid of, I wouldn't be mailing them out to paying customers 5 at a time in a futile effort to make myself look generous.

 

[amoS]

Amos > Were the "originalhazexsk1" & "Originalthaihazexsk1" the same material?[/QUOTE]

Hi SOP , I don't know if they are the same , this was the first time I ordered from the bay and my first pack of freebies. I do still have a few packs of the Durban x Skunk #1 that I got free at the 2004 htcc but I've never tried to germ those seeds yet, they are probably way to old by now though. Peace

 

[SonOfPierrot]

Thanks for the reply Amos, if you get a chance, try and pop your Durbans, if you've kept them in the Fridge or Freezer then they should be viable, if they were viable when you received them.

 

[Eudaimonia67]

Plain and simple man: Quit your whining. You don't like the way they do business then don't do business with them. As for the rest of us we are very happy with their services!
Perhaps you should start your own seedbank with the best freebies around. Then you'll show Gypsy!

 

[accessndx]

Looks like we're finally getting somewhere...

Looks like we're finally getting somewhere...

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[One Love]

I got a 10 pack of free Sensi Skunk #1. My order was placed a long time ago when Gypsy was giving out a free pack of equal or lesser value on orders over $100, or something like that (i really can't remember what the deal on the free pack was). This pack seemed to be a regular breeder pack from sensi, but was given as a freebie. Here's a pic of a finished girl about to be chopped...I know this is probably different from what you're speaking of, but its a free SK#1 i received several years ago from Gypsy...



Maybe you're speaking of orders coming directy from Seedboutique? the thread was a lot to read through sorry.

 

[oldpink]

By rough guesstimation i've donated about... 3000 seeds across the US to various medical establishments & patients in the last 2 years,

I have given away more than 5000 packs (10 per pack) to people at various cups and events in holland and the UK
and I know that Gypsy has personally given away 10's of thousands of packs of seeds for free over the years
even just to passers by in the street and to every person that visited the dam shop over the years
in fact I have a few packs of DP x skunk from 04 here, I'll start a germ test just now and see what I get

 

[Guest]

I liked getting freebies but would rather Gypsy send me a copy of the kung fu movie he was in......

 

[green_grow]

i actually think that you have a valid point, but when you make statements like this ...

"The only positive freebie stories come from people who spent large enough ammounts of money to receive seeds from the viable box" ...

you are off base. i am one of the puniest customers on the list, but was delighted with my menage a trois 'freebie'.

you have said your piece; presumeably you have contacted seedbay directly to let them know your thoughts. if enough people feel the same way as you do then certainly a change in business practices would be in order.

as has already been stated, you can always purchase your seeds elsewhere.

 

[DogBoy]

Not that it's a pissing competition but........

I'd also like to point out that there is no way on earth you have given away more seeds than me. I have been involved in the giving away of over 8 kilos of seeds. At around 60,000 seeds per kilo that means i've shipped boatloads of packs of seeds in my time.

I'd also like to ask you why you chose to reply only to the generic comments and wont answer the people who ask you direct questions. I specifically refer to my post. Could it be that you are simply a troll who's come here to air some griveance over a pack of freebies that didn't turn into the holy grail. I put it to you that you cant talk to me because you know i can offer facts that would easily blow your case clean out the water! Someone has already taken the time to show you a pack of freebies that have been germed. Care to tell them they weren't the freebies!


I'd like to finish by saying that you claim to have given away 3000 seeds and that makes you as proactive as Gypsy. Gypsy however has given away much more than 15 kilos in his time. ( I'm guessing at the total amount of freebies given as they are not really logged ) At 60,000 seeds a kilo i think maybe your overrating your comparison. I appreciate your not a business but you are in no way even a patch on Gypsy. I dont see you standing up publicly to defend the industry, i dont see you going public with your opinion, i dont see you hosting a yearly cup in Amsterdam and just giving away free seeds. What i do see is a 40 post internet entity with opinions that cant be backed up. Am i wrong dude? I sincerely hope so.

If you want to see what contributions to the industry really are then check all the people here who contribute their freebies to Seedbay to be given away, check those who give up their time in the help forums to ensure new growers are cared for and can get the help they need. Check the people who risk their arses every day, they are the ones who really make our world better. I salute the contributions these people make to our world and am PROUD to be counted among them, what are you offering the community other than division and opinion.

 

[Clarence]

By rough guesstimation i've donated about... 3000 seeds across the US to various medical establishments & patients in the last 2 years, all from my own breeding stock & personal crosses, all at 0 cost to the patients, so i'm at least as proactive as Gypsy in the seed giving department, considering all my seeds were given away still viable.

I sent out 3000 free seeds across the US over the last week or so too. Oh and a few other countries but i cannot be bothered to list them. I might do it again next week also. Hmmmmm. I guess that makes me The Messiah, The Godfather, Don Juan, and ultimately the be all and end all of knowledge. So my answer to you is....wait for it.....drum roll........42.

None of them are mine tho. Just thought i would ram my useless 2 cent in. But really. FREEBIES. They are free after all.

 

[chubbynugs]

Personally ima stick to my proven cuts i got from clone. Nothing i got as a freebie was any good cept for columbianxbiko from annac and menage a trois form mod.

 

[perpetuallylost]

"If you want to see what contributions to the industry really are then check all the people here who contribute their freebies to Seedbay to be given away, check those who give up their time in the help forums to ensure new growers are cared for and can get the help they need. Check the people who risk their arses every day, they are the ones who really make our world better. I salute the contributions these people make to our world and am PROUD to be counted among them, what are you offering the community other than division and opinion."

 

[petal]

SonOfPierrot

if you order from Seedbay you can request which freebies you'd prefer.

Hope this helps.

 

[SonOfPierrot]

Dog, You pointed out the same things, though admittedly, with much more reason and elegance, that everyone else seemed to think they were "pwning" me with.

I apologize if you felt shorted by my attempts to keep up with a fast moving thread while keeping in this odd 10 post a day limit they seem to enjoy.

1. I've stated many times i've both given away the freebies & attempted to generate free clones with the freebies, out of the 7 free packs i've received & used, none produced a single healthy plant, let alone usable medicine.

2. Germination is tricky, yes. I use multiple techniques when others fail me, on average I can get away with nothing more than a modified version of the Soma method of seed sorting, 24-48 hours in an aerated cup of 80-90degreeF water, then straight into their home in the soil, where my seed stock responds with consistent 95+% success rates. I've also tried the infamous tupperware paper towels, peat pellets, & dropping the poor things directly into the soil, never have I or my patients seen one grow, the rare 10% that did actually sprout, would express stunted traits or die shortly after emergence. So, at the very least, we need to agree i'm not incompetant.

3. You only get to "Choose" your freebies on Seedbay, even then it's only a request, if I sent in a specific request with every order to the boutique, I doubt i'd even get a second glance.

4. This doesn't address my point, why would someone who considers themselves a trustworthy professional intentionally mix inferior stock with viable seed by sending them out in the same freebie program, especially without marking or otherwise warning us of the low-strike seeds?

5. This is something I don't like either, Sam's seeds are usually the ones getting negative feedback, and Sam is a very legitimate breeder who has more OG credentials rolled in his morning joints than most people have in their whole bodies, it upsets me to see his seeds being given bad reports because inferior or poorly kept stock is being sent out with every illusion that it is a viable seed.

And finally, if this was the thread that made Gypsy stop the bunk freebies, I would admittedly be glad. If he weren't concentrating his energy on acquiring & distributing bunk seeds with the viable contents of paid orders, we might see lower prices or better service in the long run.

 

[petal]

as a suggestion

maybe we could limit this threads post count until Gypsy
replied.

 

[Dutchgrown]

Dog, You pointed out the same things, though admittedly, with much more reason and elegance, that everyone else seemed to think they were "pwning" me with.

I apologize if you felt shorted by my attempts to keep up with a fast moving thread while keeping in this odd 10 post a day limit they seem to enjoy.

1. I've stated many times i've both given away the freebies & attempted to generate free clones with the freebies, out of the 7 free packs i've received & used, none produced a single healthy plant, let alone usable medicine.

2. Germination is tricky, yes. I use multiple techniques when others fail me, on average I can get away with nothing more than a modified version of the Soma method of seed sorting, 24-48 hours in an aerated cup of 80-90degreeF water, then straight into their home in the soil, where my seed stock responds with consistent 95+% success rates. I've also tried the infamous tupperware paper towels, peat pellets, & dropping the poor things directly into the soil, never have I or my patients seen one grow, the rare 10% that did actually sprout, would express stunted traits or die shortly after emergence. So, at the very least, we need to agree i'm not incompetant.

3. You only get to "Choose" your freebies on Seedbay, even then it's only a request, if I sent in a specific request with every order to the boutique, I doubt i'd even get a second glance.

4. This doesn't address my point, why would someone who considers themselves a trustworthy professional intentionally mix inferior stock with viable seed by sending them out in the same freebie program, especially without marking or otherwise warning us of the low-strike seeds?

5. This is something I don't like either, Sam's seeds are usually the ones getting negative feedback, and Sam is a very legitimate breeder who has more OG credentials rolled in his morning joints than most people have in their whole bodies, it upsets me to see his seeds being given bad reports because inferior or poorly kept stock is being sent out with every illusion that it is a viable seed.

And finally, if this was the thread that made Gypsy stop the bunk freebies, I would admittedly be glad. If he weren't concentrating his energy on acquiring & distributing bunk seeds with the viable contents of paid orders, we might see lower prices or better service in the long run.

Soooo..........

inferior or poorly kept stock

When were you physically at SB to know how stock is kept? Oh that's right, you've never been....otherwise you'd know the freebie stock you've been referring to is kept in optimum conditions inside refrigeration units.

if I sent in a specific request with every order to the boutique, I doubt i'd even get a second glance.

Such an optimist you are! lol

why would someone who considers themselves a trustworthy professional intentionally mix inferior stock with viable seed by sending them out in the same freebie program

Ummm, plenty of folks 'all over the world' consider Gypsy a trustworthy professional...they send their orders in every day in mass knowing this...and post their appreciation all over this site here...as well as write all sorts of nice thank you notes included with orders...you really are a joke dude.

Intentionally?....just exactly what kind of accusation are you here making against Gypsy. Inferior stock?....roflmao...doesn't even warrant a reply...pfffttt...grow threads all over the site here prove otherwise.

it upsets me to see his seeds being given bad reports because inferior or poorly kept stock is being sent out with every illusion that it is a viable seed.

Ohhhh, the only thing I think upsets you is getting called out for whining and trolling in your failed attempt to slander and discredit Gypsy, SB, and the freebies.

And finally, if this was the thread that made Gypsy stop the bunk freebies, I would admittedly be glad.

The freebies are not bunk, as has been proven by grow reports. Your personal mission to discredit the freebies isn't working.

If he weren't concentrating his energy on acquiring & distributing bunk seeds with the viable contents of paid orders, we might see lower prices or better service in the long run.

Lower prices? The breeders/seed co's set their retail prices....not SB.

My thoughts about your thread here....and you...and the remarks coming from you....you are a troll...plain and simple...and have been entertained and tolerated here far too long. Others were certainly far kinder to you in their responses than was warranted.

For all who have read this thread with Son's whinings, I am having the SB cats take 100 ea of the freebies and germ test them a bit sooner than we usually do.

Move a bit closer SonofTroll...got something to tell ya ...SB germ tests the freebies every few months...good results=they go out....so far they've 'always' germed just fine for us...that's why they go out...and that's why they will continue to go out...irregardless of your whining. The only way they won't be sent is if in-house germ testing warrants it...which has not been the case.

I expect the next germ test to prove just what we already know.

And you Son...are in time out...I'd hand you a tin foil hat to accompany you, but you're already wearing one.

Now....come hate on me. Oh that's right, you can't....your in time out.

dg

 

[hoosierdaddy]

 

[perpetuallylost]

spot on dutch. i would personally like to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. one of the coolest things ever is getting free stuff. in a business SO filled with seedyness and shadyness, it's GREAT to see people who are genuinely looking out for the little guy. pretty much everywhere in the world, economic times are tough, nobody has to offer ANYTHING for free, but you guys still do (even after asshats like SOP try to spoil it for all of us). CHEERS to gypsy, the SB cats, and all the others who operate behind the scenes to make sure everyone has the opportunity to OVERGROW THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!

 

[DogBoy]

Well, thats pretty much straight from the horses mouth. However, as you took the time to address me i will avail myself of a reply. . . . . .

1) seemed to think they were "pwning" me with.

Not quite the case, people seemed more offended that you saw fit to endanger something many enjoy, rely on, or just simply are grateful for. I think the consensus is more along the lines of " If you dont like it either dont buy or request not to get them, just dont flame the site and it's owner".

2) I apologize if you felt shorted by my attempts to keep up with a fast moving thread while keeping in this odd 10 post a day limit they seem to enjoy.

Does seem to be a hot topic doesn't it. I find it quite telling how the chips have fallen, it's nice to see the support the freebies do have on the site.

3) I've stated many times i've both given away the freebies & attempted to generate free clones with the freebies, out of the 7 free packs i've received & used, none produced a single healthy plant, let alone usable medicine.

If you cant get a single plant out of 35-70 seeds then do you not think that maybe the problem lies with you? I'll tell you what. I'll germ 100 of each of the freebie pips and photo document the thread. I'll even germ some your way for a comparison if you like. The caveat is that if i get more than 1 plant per batch you have to honour the results and stop complaining.

4) You only get to "Choose" your freebies on Seedbay, even then it's only a request, if I sent in a specific request with every order to the boutique, I doubt i'd even get a second glance.

If this is the case then your doing something wrong. Refer to the seedbay forum and look at the freebie thread in there. How many people have posted that they requested a certain strain and then got it. How many didn't request a freebie and still got a 'wicked' freebie. The post dates are far before this thread so there is no way you can complain that it's inaccurate. The simple fact is that if you request them properly then you stand a high CHANCE of getting them. They make no guarantee's as to availability at time of order and only offer to do their best. How can the people there be getting their requests and you are not. Have a think about that for a moment, i bet your next retort is that the packer dude has some specific beef with you eh?

5) This doesn't address my point, why would someone who considers themselves a trustworthy professional intentionally mix inferior stock with viable seed by sending them out in the same freebie program, especially without marking or otherwise warning us of the low-strike seeds?

Prove that Gypsy has intentionally given away zero germ seeds and how he could stay in business for 10+ years by doing so and i'll happily reply. show me a post where he claims the seeds will give 100% germination. Show me a batch of seeds that have consistantly and from multiple verified sources yielded zero germ. As far as i am aware he has always been pretty straight up with what the freebies exactly are. If you know something i dont then pray tell.

6) it upsets me to see his seeds being given bad reports because inferior or poorly kept stock is being sent out with every illusion that it is a viable seed.

I have to agree with DG on this one. This shows you to be making totally unsubstantiated claims. You dont know how they are stored, there is no way you could know. What is true is that you are the only one complaining and making an issue about them. You've come here with an untrusted account and claimed that Gypsy stores his seeds badly ( your wording also implies that sams seeds are inferior but we'll gloss over the, hopefully, poor choice of words )and gives the breeders a bad name but you totally ignore the fact that Sam and Gypsy have been in the same business for many years and neither has ever made a negative comment about how the other breeds or stores their seeds. The only part of your comment that is actually factual is that Sam is a respected breeder, after that all i see is supposition and heresay. It wouldn't stand in court so wont stand here. You really think that if Sam even had an idea that Gypsy was doing this he would stay quiet? Better still, ask him directly what he thinks of the storage facilities. Or ask the people who have used his skunk based strains to make the current freebie that bay is giving away.

7) And finally, if this was the thread that made Gypsy stop the bunk freebies, I would admittedly be glad.

You have seriously gone down in my opinion for this comment. You really do harbour some schadenfreude tendencies dont you. You'd be happy to see the people who benefit from this suffer because you THINK you know the right way to run a business. Dude, i'm personally glad they dont germ for you and i seriously hope your upset to the point where you stick to growing your own 100% germing strains.


In closing i would like to say that i too think there is an ulterior motive for you posting this as i see no real benefit to you other than promoting your own agenda or name. Is this to simply satisfy your schadenfreude passion or do you harbour a grievance that your not able to germ a few packs of freebies? What's the real coup here? To come here and spit vitriol in the hopes of stopping the freebies that are so well received in general just smacks of spitefullness. With that in mind i rename you Son of schadenfreude.