Pit Bull VS. Wolf (not my idea)
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Well, Karma led me to this thread. I had to pull 2 of my lil pits off of a neighbor's dog last weekend. They are tough. FOR DOGS. I have a lil tough guy staffordshire male, ~55lb, SOLID lil dog. He took ~12 punches to the top of the eyesocket/edge of the snout before he flinched, and 2-3 more before I got him off. I'm 6'+ 180lb+, can dunk a basketball no prob, bench ~250, 20 pullups, etc. Fit, and decent sized. I hit him as hard as I could w/o 'stepping' into the punches. I was sitting on the other dog to keep my dog from locking back on if/when I got him off. Anyway, a 40lb lil girl/hunter pit, and her daddy - the 50lb staffordshire on some lil fluffy dog, and I was able to pry them off before they killed it. It took all that I had, and I dipped into the 'primal' side for a bit, but I got them off. Because of that I was thinking WOLF, WOLF, WOLF.
I read BiG herb's post bout his mastiff @ a buck seventy-five. Agreed, 175lb ANYTHING (pit, rottie, dobie, shepherd, cane corso, italian mastiff, ANYTHING) is a bad ass, nasty animal. I give the biggest, baddest human no more than 2 minutes of fight against a pissed 175 pounder (unless he got lucky with a 'neck snap' or something before fido got em. CAN you snap a 175lb dog's neck??). But I think that any dog would need to DOUBLE the wolf's weight to be considered. Wild animals are just that, WILD.
Holy Sh1t. How can 1/2 the people think that as a rule, a pit could take a wolf? The 2 baddest dogs lb for lb that I've met were an 8lb Jack Russell, and my 2 pit's 40lb mom/ex-wife. She lives to kill things, has groundhogs down to a 10 second art where she doesn't get touched. You wouldn't think that a raccoon is a bad animal, but watch what it does to 98% of ALL dogs. I've only seen 1 under ~70lb that is willing to take the punishment, and wins decisively. She WANTS it, and it's generally over in 2-3 minutes. It takes almost that long to kill one with a baseball bat after you hit it with your car. Even if you put her 'tough' in a monster dog, I'd still bet on the wolf unless the dog had AT LEAST 75lb on it.
You people are nuts. They are no tougher lb for lb than ANY OTHER terrier or most sporting dogs. Strong jaws, but they don't have the teeth of a shepherd/akita/chiuhaua. Pit's got thick 'holder' teeth, those dogs got the 'puncture' teeth. I read that the american bulldog (commonly called a pitbull) was bred to have 1 dog able to hold 1 cow in it's place until the rancher gets to it. They were trained to get the back leg muscle, but not the tendons. I got a 75lb american bulldog (I think, he's a pounder) and he is SUCH a baby. Barks loud, but will back down from everybody.
Btw, I have a bunch of dogs, and pits, and the old lady (11yr old, fit, 65lb lab/akita) is and will be the alpha until she dies. Any one of those dogs could kill her QUICK, but she keeps em in check.
I read BiG herb's post bout his mastiff @ a buck seventy-five. Agreed, 175lb ANYTHING (pit, rottie, dobie, shepherd, cane corso, italian mastiff, ANYTHING) is a bad ass, nasty animal. I give the biggest, baddest human no more than 2 minutes of fight against a pissed 175 pounder (unless he got lucky with a 'neck snap' or something before fido got em. CAN you snap a 175lb dog's neck??). But I think that any dog would need to DOUBLE the wolf's weight to be considered. Wild animals are just that, WILD.
Holy Sh1t. How can 1/2 the people think that as a rule, a pit could take a wolf? The 2 baddest dogs lb for lb that I've met were an 8lb Jack Russell, and my 2 pit's 40lb mom/ex-wife. She lives to kill things, has groundhogs down to a 10 second art where she doesn't get touched. You wouldn't think that a raccoon is a bad animal, but watch what it does to 98% of ALL dogs. I've only seen 1 under ~70lb that is willing to take the punishment, and wins decisively. She WANTS it, and it's generally over in 2-3 minutes. It takes almost that long to kill one with a baseball bat after you hit it with your car. Even if you put her 'tough' in a monster dog, I'd still bet on the wolf unless the dog had AT LEAST 75lb on it.
You people are nuts. They are no tougher lb for lb than ANY OTHER terrier or most sporting dogs. Strong jaws, but they don't have the teeth of a shepherd/akita/chiuhaua. Pit's got thick 'holder' teeth, those dogs got the 'puncture' teeth. I read that the american bulldog (commonly called a pitbull) was bred to have 1 dog able to hold 1 cow in it's place until the rancher gets to it. They were trained to get the back leg muscle, but not the tendons. I got a 75lb american bulldog (I think, he's a pounder) and he is SUCH a baby. Barks loud, but will back down from everybody.
Btw, I have a bunch of dogs, and pits, and the old lady (11yr old, fit, 65lb lab/akita) is and will be the alpha until she dies. Any one of those dogs could kill her QUICK, but she keeps em in check.
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Babbabud said:
yes,,but the gods sent my amuakua spirit to protect me from great evil
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i would pic this over both thay are true killers with a bit of no other it will snap a pit in half.
dan woody said:i would pic this over both thay are true killers with a bit of no other it will snap a pit in half.
hyenas are very cowardly creatures. they have the teeth,,but they dont
have the weight or strength, thats why you always see 10 or 12 of them
in the hunt. same with wolfs,, yes they hunt to eat,, but they have never had
to "FIGHT" when they hunt,, they hunt in packs of 6-8 and one will be the
first to attack,,then they all jump in and start tearing pieces.
think about it::::its liek if you got beat up in a park by 8 dudes.
you consider those 8 dudes tough?? how come it takes 8 and not 1.
if the wolf was solitary predator (hunts by itself)) i would think it could kill
a pit,,,but giving its pack mentality:::wolf wouldnt have a chance
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Through out the years Game Bred Pitts have been Matched against EVERYTHING w/feet (By assholes)...and Have won
My Pits did not hesitate to hit a Full grown Black Bear when it came after me
Wolves RUN from a Bear....
Anyone who knows Pits Knows this and it just not talked about.
A Wolf or any other Canine relies on threat Display and ONLY will make Contact as a last resort
A Bulldogge is a whole different story....they give little or NO threat display
Most Canines has a fuel reserve of about 5-10 minutes in a scrap
Game Bred Pits often go for HOURS during a Game Test.
A Famous "Grand Champion" "Jocko" 29lb Dog ...
Wore out 5 other Dogs (from 49 -70 Lbs) ...over A period of 5 hours
If you have not grown up around the Super Dogs you will NEVER Understand
Wolves will not touch a Full Grown Wild Boar......any Pit can be taught to bring one down alone and quickly
My Pits did not hesitate to hit a Full grown Black Bear when it came after me
Wolves RUN from a Bear....
Anyone who knows Pits Knows this and it just not talked about.
A Wolf or any other Canine relies on threat Display and ONLY will make Contact as a last resort
A Bulldogge is a whole different story....they give little or NO threat display
Most Canines has a fuel reserve of about 5-10 minutes in a scrap
Game Bred Pits often go for HOURS during a Game Test.
A Famous "Grand Champion" "Jocko" 29lb Dog ...
Wore out 5 other Dogs (from 49 -70 Lbs) ...over A period of 5 hours
If you have not grown up around the Super Dogs you will NEVER Understand
Wolves will not touch a Full Grown Wild Boar......any Pit can be taught to bring one down alone and quickly
I have bears in my yard nightly .... guess what ... they run from me and they ran from my dog that was 13 and could barely walk from his arthritis. yea he was big ..about 140 but could barely haul himself around. My experience with bears is they just want to be left alone and will always run rather then confront ...anything. Unless of course you somehow threaten a sows cubs or something ... Besides that they are just pigs with long hair.
BiGH3rB - I just looked up some size stats on grey/timber wolves.
60-140lb
25-40" @shoulder
38"-80" long.
A 140lb, 3.5' tall, 7' long wild wold would have no problem with any one dog on the planet. Check out the tooth size, shape of a wolf. I can wear any non-jogger's dog out with a 10 miler in and out of the woods, and wolves move 25 miles a day, every day during certain periods. The wolf probably posesses 4-5x's the endurance of a dog. Pits were bred from other dogs, not from wolves. The 'wolf' was largely bred out, and the 'pit' was bred back in. The wolf has no natural need for cuddles, the pit has no natural need to survive against other wild animals.
All other things equal, a wolf will whip up on ANY dog. Like I said, toughest lb for lb dog that I know is a 40-45 lb pit. A pup 40 lb wolf would handle her no prob imo. I watched her bring some kind of lab/chow/akita/pit ~10yr old dog to the edge of death with 4-5 head shakes. A timberland to the face got her off, and I tackled her in the street. That dog is nuts. But she is a super dog, just has the 'snap' in her, and physically, she is impressive.
60-140lb
25-40" @shoulder
38"-80" long.
A 140lb, 3.5' tall, 7' long wild wold would have no problem with any one dog on the planet. Check out the tooth size, shape of a wolf. I can wear any non-jogger's dog out with a 10 miler in and out of the woods, and wolves move 25 miles a day, every day during certain periods. The wolf probably posesses 4-5x's the endurance of a dog. Pits were bred from other dogs, not from wolves. The 'wolf' was largely bred out, and the 'pit' was bred back in. The wolf has no natural need for cuddles, the pit has no natural need to survive against other wild animals.
All other things equal, a wolf will whip up on ANY dog. Like I said, toughest lb for lb dog that I know is a 40-45 lb pit. A pup 40 lb wolf would handle her no prob imo. I watched her bring some kind of lab/chow/akita/pit ~10yr old dog to the edge of death with 4-5 head shakes. A timberland to the face got her off, and I tackled her in the street. That dog is nuts. But she is a super dog, just has the 'snap' in her, and physically, she is impressive.
Babbabud said:
Babba you know that BEAR can after Me on the front Steps of MY HOME...he Choose to attack ME that day even though he had a way out.
all 14 other Bears that year ran from me.....But NOT that 274Lb Boar he Choose to Fight and I thank GOD for my Pistol/Reflexs and My Dogs
barletta said:
Doooood that is Dog ABUSE.....learn what a breaking stick is and Use one.
Stop abusing dogs.
Any real PIT owner can separate his animal from another in 5 seconds with a break stick.
You give the rest of us a BAD name
STOP ABUSING DOGS....never inflict pain to separate a fight you IDIOT
Shit, that's a game bred ferret...
LOL, Hell yeah, 40-55lb pit/wolf, but a buck and a quarter and up is a powerful animal. That's good match.
125 lb pit/rottie vs. 50lb wolverene.
It's the wild in wild animal. 90%+ endurance for hours is the norm. Jocko the super dog would not have a chance against bitey the super wolf. Just like the avg 80lb wolf would have no problem with my avg 55lb Staffordshire. Lol, he's a bad ass lil (domesticated) dog, but a wolf is the WILD cousin.
LOL, Hell yeah, 40-55lb pit/wolf, but a buck and a quarter and up is a powerful animal. That's good match.
125 lb pit/rottie vs. 50lb wolverene.
It's the wild in wild animal. 90%+ endurance for hours is the norm. Jocko the super dog would not have a chance against bitey the super wolf. Just like the avg 80lb wolf would have no problem with my avg 55lb Staffordshire. Lol, he's a bad ass lil (domesticated) dog, but a wolf is the WILD cousin.
genkisan said:I'll put my money on a 40-55 lb wolverine against either the wolf or the pit....or mebbe even both at the same time.
Ain't no more ornery, shitkickin' nasty animal out there......grizzlies avoid them....
yep ....wolverines are my 2nd fav. animal next to dogs. (ive seen 2 alive in the wild ...both in alaska)
heres a youtube video where a wolverine whoops a wolf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ryzqw6ZPE4
Yeah, I'm an idiot. The dog would have killed the other dog (1 dead), Aspca would have killed her (2 dead) PROBABLY would have shipped off the other 2 dogs in the house. Did I say that I kicked the dog? It was my neighbor's dog, it bolted, I reacted, and separated her 1 time by jamming my thumb down her throat to gag her. She separated, and immediately latched back on. 2 seconds later her owner is coming down on her head to keep her and the other dog alive.
Should I have taken the 20 seconds to go back across the street and in the house to get the breakstick and back across the street to the pit shaking the dead dog? Should I carry one in the event that another person's dog attacke a third-party dog? Should he have attached one to his dog someway? Sorry.
EDIT - Yeah, I give 'us' a bad name, not the boys in the hood who train the dogs to fight, and feed them gunpowder and tires cause it makes em tough. I also won't own a dog that I can't kill with my bare hands, and I think that should be a rule for humanity. I controlled the situation. That's what responsible owner's do.
EDIT AGAIN - I don't think that her owner should own 'power' dogs, or even ANYTHING with a hard head 'working, sporting' dogs. He relies on that fear of pain, etc... and I think that's why she is prone to snap. Plus, he 'puts' her on animals (groundhogs, raccoons, etc..)
Should I have taken the 20 seconds to go back across the street and in the house to get the breakstick and back across the street to the pit shaking the dead dog? Should I carry one in the event that another person's dog attacke a third-party dog? Should he have attached one to his dog someway? Sorry.
EDIT - Yeah, I give 'us' a bad name, not the boys in the hood who train the dogs to fight, and feed them gunpowder and tires cause it makes em tough. I also won't own a dog that I can't kill with my bare hands, and I think that should be a rule for humanity. I controlled the situation. That's what responsible owner's do.
EDIT AGAIN - I don't think that her owner should own 'power' dogs, or even ANYTHING with a hard head 'working, sporting' dogs. He relies on that fear of pain, etc... and I think that's why she is prone to snap. Plus, he 'puts' her on animals (groundhogs, raccoons, etc..)
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The real question is Voltron vs King Kong. There can be only one.
barletta said:
Doooood 5 minutes will NOT make or Break a dog it takes MUCH longer to KILL a dog...your a Noob owner and it shows
You were OUTSIDE with a PIT.....yes you should have had a Break-stix with you if you are a RESPONSIBLE PIT DOG owner
Asshole I was outside with a 6 month old puppy (not hers). We were on the porch, she was behind the screen door. The lil dog wandered, I got up to get him the lady screamed, and the pit bolted. I don't know why you have a hard on for me. I broke up the dogs. The dog had it's neck pierced (hole with sunlight and everything) in 2 spots from ~20 sec of 'on time' with me trying to pry her off. I do believe that if she had 20-30 seconds of un-molested shakem time, the dog would have died. Maybe not on the spot, but within a few days.
Sorry for being a noob owner. And showing it. Would I seem to know my shit better if I typed in a funny font?
How long exactly does it take for a 'super' pit to kill a random mutt? 29lb jacko wore out ALL those dogs, so which is it? Killing machine, or 5 minutes alone is ok?
Maybe I should roll with a pack of them and a pistol. Like the boys in the hood.
Sorry for being a noob owner. And showing it. Would I seem to know my shit better if I typed in a funny font?
How long exactly does it take for a 'super' pit to kill a random mutt? 29lb jacko wore out ALL those dogs, so which is it? Killing machine, or 5 minutes alone is ok?
Maybe I should roll with a pack of them and a pistol. Like the boys in the hood.
barletta said:
He wore them out NONE were KILLED after HOURS of Rollin
barletta said:
Maybe you should always have a break stick on you if you're with your dog?
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
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