ganjabrother
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Now those plants are sooo sexy! Should be a damn fine smoke fo sho!
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Panama
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patolunga2
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amazing the panama lines!! 
i have just grown jamaica x panama, that is a great sativa.. fast hitting, a strong high.. and is so damn tasty... ear that you will work on the jamaica x panama.. good luck with it.. is soo good that for sure everyone that will grow it will love it...
and grow some alpuja x panama that actually get full seeded thniking that was a male..and puttin she between them .... the result is tall resinous big budded girl
but i just love the look of the panama... looks soo tasty!!
raco!! nice panama! looks soo good
that indoors cut wow..so fast and so frosty! also love that colombian jeje
happy growing all!!
buenos humos
patolunga.
i have just grown jamaica x panama, that is a great sativa.. fast hitting, a strong high.. and is so damn tasty... ear that you will work on the jamaica x panama.. good luck with it.. is soo good that for sure everyone that will grow it will love it...
and grow some alpuja x panama that actually get full seeded thniking that was a male..and puttin she between them .... the result is tall resinous big budded girl
but i just love the look of the panama... looks soo tasty!!
raco!! nice panama! looks soo good
that indoors cut wow..so fast and so frosty! also love that colombian jeje
happy growing all!!
buenos humos
patolunga.
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Guest
Hello friends,
Forgot to post here the results of the Panama red.
It was grown in a 0.9 x 0.9 m x 2m setup under 430W HPS setup with automatic watering and 250m3/h venting. The results are good according to the friend. It needs a long curing to reveal full potential. There are thousands of seeds because he had 23 females but there are still buds free of them so he will be able to sample good stuff for the smoke report
The friend is now running the Jamaican lambsbread. 35 seedlings are on the road (100% germ rate), that will be a great grow for me because this friend is really able to reach the top on pure sativas indoor so I'll learn more on this strain. The 35 seedlings are from my reproduction with original seeds, a small reproduction between 1 male and 9 females. There are some hermies in the line. If his report of the P2 is the same as mine with P1, I'll reproduce again the strain with my original P1 seeds and we will try something.
Good vibes, landrace lovers !
l_m
Forgot to post here the results of the Panama red.
It was grown in a 0.9 x 0.9 m x 2m setup under 430W HPS setup with automatic watering and 250m3/h venting. The results are good according to the friend. It needs a long curing to reveal full potential. There are thousands of seeds because he had 23 females but there are still buds free of them so he will be able to sample good stuff for the smoke report
The friend is now running the Jamaican lambsbread. 35 seedlings are on the road (100% germ rate), that will be a great grow for me because this friend is really able to reach the top on pure sativas indoor so I'll learn more on this strain. The 35 seedlings are from my reproduction with original seeds, a small reproduction between 1 male and 9 females. There are some hermies in the line. If his report of the P2 is the same as mine with P1, I'll reproduce again the strain with my original P1 seeds and we will try something.
Good vibes, landrace lovers !
l_m
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charlie garcia
You are enjoying mm jeje You know how much friends can miss you somewhere LM... I cant thank you enough for all your energy, inspiration and labour in theorical and practical terms. My respects my friend
Although unuseless to tell you, only remark here how important is to make best and largest reproduction form first batchs of seeds which came from original sources to keep the best intact genepool, apart for stabilizing, cleaning, etc later those lines. We know now how easy they can dissapear
best
Although unuseless to tell you, only remark here how important is to make best and largest reproduction form first batchs of seeds which came from original sources to keep the best intact genepool, apart for stabilizing, cleaning, etc later those lines. We know now how easy they can dissapear
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Thanks you Charlie , have a good one
Yes you're right, the one that wants to use landrace should remember two things:
- try to maintain the diversity, which is not easy especially if you have not much seeds to start
- remember that there is a reason why professionnal breeders exist: this kind of strains is often not as potent as the modern hybrid. Not all individuals are adapted to indoor ! Don't expect to have a homogenous 'quick to finish - productive - potent' strain if you grow to preserve diversity.
So if you catch a landrace to make your own selection, unless you can grow more than 50 individuals of the same strain at a time, I think you'd spend better your money in a breeder's work, because there is a lot of work before obtaining a 'calibrated' product. See for examples the differences between this Panama red and the ACE Panama, in which this P. red participates.
Let's also mention that landraces have usually a very particular type of high, with defaults in it. That is what makes their charm (because their qualities are really strong !) but also there is the fact you can be bored with it after a while. Hybrids may show more complex high, or more adapted to different 'set and settings'. This is also a thing you can retrieve when you have both Jamaican BM'85 and Canela to smoke. Most of my friend recognized immediately the JBM but they recognized the Canela, while keeping the best aspects of the high of the JBM, enhanced it in some way with the other parental line.
partial opinion, but part of it is from experience
Yes you're right, the one that wants to use landrace should remember two things:
- try to maintain the diversity, which is not easy especially if you have not much seeds to start
- remember that there is a reason why professionnal breeders exist: this kind of strains is often not as potent as the modern hybrid. Not all individuals are adapted to indoor ! Don't expect to have a homogenous 'quick to finish - productive - potent' strain if you grow to preserve diversity.
So if you catch a landrace to make your own selection, unless you can grow more than 50 individuals of the same strain at a time, I think you'd spend better your money in a breeder's work, because there is a lot of work before obtaining a 'calibrated' product. See for examples the differences between this Panama red and the ACE Panama, in which this P. red participates.
Let's also mention that landraces have usually a very particular type of high, with defaults in it. That is what makes their charm (because their qualities are really strong !) but also there is the fact you can be bored with it after a while. Hybrids may show more complex high, or more adapted to different 'set and settings'. This is also a thing you can retrieve when you have both Jamaican BM'85 and Canela to smoke. Most of my friend recognized immediately the JBM but they recognized the Canela, while keeping the best aspects of the high of the JBM, enhanced it in some way with the other parental line.
partial opinion, but part of it is from experience
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Barefrog
Great point Little_man
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patolunga2
Active member
WOW raco!! that panama bud looks killer... 
happy smokes everyone!
patolunga
happy smokes everyone!
patolunga
little_man said:
hmmmm glad you didn't use anything stronger than "often" and "may" there, as I think those are some very questionable generalisations i.e. with regard to the high/experiential side of things
there are a lot of very one dimensional and unchallenging hybrids out there, and a lot of killer landrace cultivars...
I don't want to sidetrack the thread - but I just spent a few days smoking some bricked Thai and some NL#5 x Haze from a cut... now as with everyone I would be very suprised if the NL#5 x Haze did not have higher THC... but as for which one got me higher and more fucked up, and which one lasted longer... well they both got me out of my tree from one bowl... but which high had more depth and more bite? well, I think I would have to say the Thai... maybe I am just prejudiced, I don't know
anyway, I'm patiently awaiting my ACE Panama order from seedboutique... seems to be taking its time though...
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Guest
Well ngakpa, I personnally think that landraces have the best quality high for what I research in cannabis. Nothing beats a pure tropical sativa high imo, highland Thai, South Indian, Jamaican, Africans, they all have their unique abilities.
But, talking from what I know, which is:
'wild' (if this means something) or pure strains like highland and lowland Thai, Jamaican lamsbread and Blue Mountain'85, Panama red'74, Ethiopian highland, wild Malawi and African seeds Malawi, wild Durban strain, wild Nepalese indica, wild South indian sativa, Sri Lanka sativa, BSC Colombian gold
and against this,
different hybrids like Jamaica from hemcy, Canela from ACE, Destroyer from Cannabiogen, Bubblegum from Serious, Skunk1 and Original Haze from Seedsman, Celestial Temple and Hawaiian sativa from Federation, Lowrider, Burmese from Reeferman, Jack Herer and California indica from Sensiseeds
and against this again,
my own hybrids, like Colombian gold x Jamaican Blue Mountain, Nepalese x Destroyer, Hawaiian sativa x skunk, Sri Lanka x Amarillo
With that, I can tell you some facts:
- some people do not get high with wild strains that put myself in the sky. this is the case for example with the lowland Koh Samui: heavy indica smokers simply do not feel its effects.
- some homemade hybrid were ok, like Colombian x Jamaican and Hawaiian x skunk, other were too much variable like Nepalese x Destroyer and other were simply very bad in the high profile, like Sri Lanka x Amarillo (only keeps you awake, not dream, no stone)
- some commercial hybrids were not interesting at all considering what was expected, like Lowrider or Burmese
- other commercial hybrids were perfectly fitted to commercial growers, like Skunk1 and Bubblegum: it grows strong, short, smells good and produce a lot with a still decent high.
- some wild strains created a revolution in the heads of the people that smoked it: it was the case for some people with the Ethiopian and the lambsbread because these people never enjoyed a pure line in their life of smoking and those lines are of the finest.
- other strains produced a new high greatly enjoyed by old regular smokers (including myself), like Canela and Jamaica from Hemcy, keeping great qualities of the parental lines and bringing new things in the high with the hybridation.
- other strains produced incredible debilitating high like Jack herer and California indica, but some people enjoyed them more than landraces !
- other strains produced a high very close to wild strains but not exactly the same, like Destroyer (90% close to a Thai high but really stronger and a little bit more buzzy imho). Notice that I'd not grow again this last, but only because I prefer to have the 100% effect of a Thai, even if it takes 10 weeks more, 70% of production less and hermies in the line. I'm not sure many growers would accept this for only a slight difference in the high that eventually they may not be able to feel.
If you can afford to grow a pure tropical sativa or indica with low production, hermies in it, because you are an extremist of pure highs like me, then you do not need a breeder.
But if you want a plant easy to grow, free of hermies and with strong high, then you need a breeder. Obviously, there are breeders and breeders. Some sells products that won't match the criterias or even worse, will be less interesting products than wild lines. But other breeders produce great seeds, with great high (even if not as pure as one could expect from a crazzy wild line) and very enhance grow abilities. This represents a lot of work, with high numbers in the grow and lot of time to study the lines (backcross, progeny study, selection of moms and dads ! ) not easy to do for an amateur, even if I agree you can build your own decent hybrid with a little luck.
That is why I say the breeder's work is important.
But, talking from what I know, which is:
'wild' (if this means something) or pure strains like highland and lowland Thai, Jamaican lamsbread and Blue Mountain'85, Panama red'74, Ethiopian highland, wild Malawi and African seeds Malawi, wild Durban strain, wild Nepalese indica, wild South indian sativa, Sri Lanka sativa, BSC Colombian gold
and against this,
different hybrids like Jamaica from hemcy, Canela from ACE, Destroyer from Cannabiogen, Bubblegum from Serious, Skunk1 and Original Haze from Seedsman, Celestial Temple and Hawaiian sativa from Federation, Lowrider, Burmese from Reeferman, Jack Herer and California indica from Sensiseeds
and against this again,
my own hybrids, like Colombian gold x Jamaican Blue Mountain, Nepalese x Destroyer, Hawaiian sativa x skunk, Sri Lanka x Amarillo
With that, I can tell you some facts:
- some people do not get high with wild strains that put myself in the sky. this is the case for example with the lowland Koh Samui: heavy indica smokers simply do not feel its effects.
- some homemade hybrid were ok, like Colombian x Jamaican and Hawaiian x skunk, other were too much variable like Nepalese x Destroyer and other were simply very bad in the high profile, like Sri Lanka x Amarillo (only keeps you awake, not dream, no stone)
- some commercial hybrids were not interesting at all considering what was expected, like Lowrider or Burmese
- other commercial hybrids were perfectly fitted to commercial growers, like Skunk1 and Bubblegum: it grows strong, short, smells good and produce a lot with a still decent high.
- some wild strains created a revolution in the heads of the people that smoked it: it was the case for some people with the Ethiopian and the lambsbread because these people never enjoyed a pure line in their life of smoking and those lines are of the finest.
- other strains produced a new high greatly enjoyed by old regular smokers (including myself), like Canela and Jamaica from Hemcy, keeping great qualities of the parental lines and bringing new things in the high with the hybridation.
- other strains produced incredible debilitating high like Jack herer and California indica, but some people enjoyed them more than landraces !
- other strains produced a high very close to wild strains but not exactly the same, like Destroyer (90% close to a Thai high but really stronger and a little bit more buzzy imho). Notice that I'd not grow again this last, but only because I prefer to have the 100% effect of a Thai, even if it takes 10 weeks more, 70% of production less and hermies in the line. I'm not sure many growers would accept this for only a slight difference in the high that eventually they may not be able to feel.
If you can afford to grow a pure tropical sativa or indica with low production, hermies in it, because you are an extremist of pure highs like me, then you do not need a breeder.
But if you want a plant easy to grow, free of hermies and with strong high, then you need a breeder. Obviously, there are breeders and breeders. Some sells products that won't match the criterias or even worse, will be less interesting products than wild lines. But other breeders produce great seeds, with great high (even if not as pure as one could expect from a crazzy wild line) and very enhance grow abilities. This represents a lot of work, with high numbers in the grow and lot of time to study the lines (backcross, progeny study, selection of moms and dads ! ) not easy to do for an amateur, even if I agree you can build your own decent hybrid with a little luck.
That is why I say the breeder's work is important.
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.ngakpa said:
I think you shed some light on the matter here ngakpa. THC is one thing, the 70 + cannabinoids influencing the high in one way or another is another. Hybrids can be strong but utterly boring, especially when they're continuously crossed within the same narrow genepool - bonafide genetics that increase yield and shorten flowering time.
I often find myself preferring a less potent strain with a complex high rather than a killer bud that floors me in one hit.
That said, it refers mainly to my own personal taste and evolution.
The present landrace vogue is certainly a sign of something, I'm not sure what, but me I'm just happy that the variety is there and that as much Cannabis of different types as possible is grown all over the world.
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charlie garcia
Nice comments everyone,
I am myself fully ignorant of most of commercial stuff as never grown other things than my own for 30 years and most of it was landraces or hybrids done with and from landraces basically. Friends have never complained but opposite, they like it a lot is a different and rich world of flavours and therpens with also "wider" effects, not only "vertical" effects, guess thats what you friends mean as well... about commercial hybrids things can be sometimes very strong indeed but bit boring or mono-dimensional.. agree as well. So at the end I find not need to smoke other things if I enjoy these my best. Quality of smoke can be achieved with your own work and in ur own way. The only commercial seeds I tried where Sensi Skunk#1, NL and Afghani! in the 90's and for sure tried hits of different weeds from friends and I like several hybrids like kali mist, shh and a few more... but always go back to my own stuff at the end. Maybe was done for my taste so I enjoy it plenty and really find not need to smoke other things as I am fully satisfized with mine.
I think there is potency and there is taste for everyone and for every weed and dont like to catalogue things in black and white as smoking is something so subjective to everyone, but there is not doubt at all, quality smoke can be achieved working with landraces.... all classic hybrids of today started like that
best
I am myself fully ignorant of most of commercial stuff as never grown other things than my own for 30 years and most of it was landraces or hybrids done with and from landraces basically. Friends have never complained but opposite, they like it a lot
is a different and rich world of flavours and therpens with also "wider" effects, not only "vertical" effects, guess thats what you friends mean as well... about commercial hybrids things can be sometimes very strong indeed but bit boring or mono-dimensional.. agree as well. So at the end I find not need to smoke other things if I enjoy these my best. Quality of smoke can be achieved with your own work and in ur own way. The only commercial seeds I tried where Sensi Skunk#1, NL and Afghani! in the 90's and for sure tried hits of different weeds from friends and I like several hybrids like kali mist, shh and a few more... but always go back to my own stuff at the end. Maybe was done for my taste so I enjoy it plenty and really find not need to smoke other things as I am fully satisfized with mine.I think there is potency and there is taste for everyone and for every weed and dont like to catalogue things in black and white as smoking is something so subjective to everyone, but there is not doubt at all, quality smoke can be achieved working with landraces.... all classic hybrids of today started like that
best
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humboldtseeds
New member
Raco keep up the great work man, ive been watching your stuff for a while and you are an inspiration to us all.
Purple panama - recessive pheno
Purple panama - recessive pheno
High all!
Thanks for keep alive the thread with your presence and interesting conversations! :smile:
Here are a few Purple Panama pics i forgot to post .... It's a rare recessive but interesting expression of our Panama hybrid. Purple pheno is closest expression to old tropical purple panama sativas (like CBG's Panama).
It flowers a little bit later than red or green panama phenos, finishing around early Nov, while red/green phenos finish around 3rd week of October.
Effect and kind of terpenes are different too. It's a very pleasant happy effect, more balanced than other panamas expressions which are usually more cerebral. Taste is woodier and darker, close to original purple panama tropical landraces or purple haze pheno.
Purple panama - recessive pheno
High all!
Thanks for keep alive the thread with your presence and interesting conversations! :smile:
Here are a few Purple Panama pics i forgot to post .... It's a rare recessive but interesting expression of our Panama hybrid. Purple pheno is closest expression to old tropical purple panama sativas (like CBG's Panama).
It flowers a little bit later than red or green panama phenos, finishing around early Nov, while red/green phenos finish around 3rd week of October.
Effect and kind of terpenes are different too. It's a very pleasant happy effect, more balanced than other panamas expressions which are usually more cerebral. Taste is woodier and darker, close to original purple panama tropical landraces or purple haze pheno.
mark6699331
Active member
Yummy! Please pass the purple pananma!
I could use a big cola of that as a pillow to sleep on at night. LOL Sweet purple dreams!
M
I could use a big cola of that as a pillow to sleep on at night. LOL Sweet purple dreams!
M
