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sounds good ozzy! always nice to learn something new. 
and shit.
think i lost the jack herrer...
i don't get it. all the other plants, in the exact same conditions with the same nutes from the same container, are doing great. just this girl. i thought it was under control after adjusting the nuts and adding some cal mag, but in the last two days almost ALL the old growth is gone! that's so quick, my instinct tells me it must be root rot or something. either way, maybe my grow-ego was getting a bit ahead of my abilities, so enter the slice of humble pie.
if anyone knows what is going on here, let me know. i don't mind getting rid of her, i've got a clone of her going strong in veg that i can try round two on, but i just can't figure it out. happened so quick. overwatering?! fuk me if so, i didn't think i'd ever overwater again.
thanks everyone, all else is well, my new intake/exhaust arrangement is keeping the bloom room at a constant 85 degrees (remember i have co2 going), so that makes me happy. they had gotten up around 90 for a few days, perhaps the jack is just super-sensitive to heat and didn't make it. ??
ok i'm smoking some hash.
and shit.
think i lost the jack herrer...
i don't get it. all the other plants, in the exact same conditions with the same nutes from the same container, are doing great. just this girl. i thought it was under control after adjusting the nuts and adding some cal mag, but in the last two days almost ALL the old growth is gone! that's so quick, my instinct tells me it must be root rot or something. either way, maybe my grow-ego was getting a bit ahead of my abilities, so enter the slice of humble pie.
if anyone knows what is going on here, let me know. i don't mind getting rid of her, i've got a clone of her going strong in veg that i can try round two on, but i just can't figure it out. happened so quick. overwatering?! fuk me if so, i didn't think i'd ever overwater again.
thanks everyone, all else is well, my new intake/exhaust arrangement is keeping the bloom room at a constant 85 degrees (remember i have co2 going), so that makes me happy. they had gotten up around 90 for a few days, perhaps the jack is just super-sensitive to heat and didn't make it. ??
ok i'm smoking some hash.
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khaleel
alright guys, mynamestitch is helping me out, says that i initially had a zinc lock out (this is my first go-round with the two-part liquid nute system, had some problems getting ppm down), then nitrogen and calcium and mag i believe too. still don't know why its only happening with the jack (well, the jack was closest to the extra floro strip light = heat stress ta boot... irritating that i put it there thinking that was the best spot 
).
tomorrow i'll rinse her out nice and good in the tub, then ease back up on the nutes and see if i can save it. will be interesting to see what happens in two weeks when the next jack clone gets moved over. hopefully i can apply what i learned from this one's issues and watch it kick arse.
). tomorrow i'll rinse her out nice and good in the tub, then ease back up on the nutes and see if i can save it. will be interesting to see what happens in two weeks when the next jack clone gets moved over. hopefully i can apply what i learned from this one's issues and watch it kick arse.
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stitch knows her shit bro she helped me on some black domina i thought i was losing and i cant even see wich ones they were in my garden now listen to stitch and if they can be saved you wiill pull it out good luck peace-Y-
Mate, sorry to see you're having problems with the Jack. Am I correct in thinking that's the only JH plant you had in there? If so, your problems were probably just down the genetics of the strain. The cheese I've got at the moment is showing nute burn/pH burn when all my other plants are nice and healthy - some strains just prefer slightly different conditions and have slightly different tolerances.
Don't go thinking your getting big headed or egotistical because you've got a really nice and healthy garden, and you're obviously a good grower. Spotting these kind of things only comes with experience (as mynamestitch can show) and as time goes by you'll be able to diagnose it and treat it more quickly.
Don't give up Jack yet, she may just surprise you.
Don't go thinking your getting big headed or egotistical because you've got a really nice and healthy garden, and you're obviously a good grower. Spotting these kind of things only comes with experience (as mynamestitch can show) and as time goes by you'll be able to diagnose it and treat it more quickly.
Don't give up Jack yet, she may just surprise you.
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Sammet said:Mate, sorry to see you're having problems with the Jack. Am I correct in thinking that's the only JH plant you had in there? If so, your problems were probably just down the genetics of the strain. The cheese I've got at the moment is showing nute burn/pH burn when all my other plants are nice and healthy - some strains just prefer slightly different conditions and have slightly different tolerances.
Don't go thinking your getting big headed or egotistical because you've got a really nice and healthy garden, and you're obviously a good grower. Spotting these kind of things only comes with experience (as mynamestitch can show) and as time goes by you'll be able to diagnose it and treat it more quickly.
Don't give up Jack yet, she may just surprise you.
thanks for the kind words, sammet.
yup, its the only one. if i lose her i'll try again with the clone in veg, but i flushed the soil nice and good today, hopefully within a week i can at least have the new growth stabilized and put some weight on before harvest. [fingers crossed]
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ywouldn'ti: missed ya. lol thanks for the encouragement, i'm sure stitch's advice will help them out. good to see you were able to pull yours back out. all a part of growing i suppose 
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good to hear ya got ya probs sorted Khaleel!!
ive heard some good things about the Jack, so im "rooting" for yah!
ive heard some good things about the Jack, so im "rooting" for yah!
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khaleel
so i was browsing around the other day and saw a guy asking for soil advice. i posted the following:
what do you guys think about my intuitive analysis of transplanting, root and veg growth. in other words, are my instincts full of shite or do you think i might actually be doing something that makes sense? lol don't worry i'm not easily offended, and i thrive on criticism. well, as long as you're not a dick about it. en garde!
haha btw tonight is my last night smoking mj for a spell. i'm applying for an overseas translator job, so have to clean up and be republican and shit. (yeah right - only if its the republicana of ron paul.
) but i need some money so i can buy a house and get those hps' a kicken. i have some plans in mind. some good ones. [hands rubbing together] mwhahaahaha.
hope all is well with you and yours.
p.s. i never knew hash could make you feel so good.
p.p.s. well played, new hampshire. props on keeping things interesting.
khaleel said:1. plastic round trays to fit your size of pot, available at any home depot or lawn and garden store for $1-5. water until there is a 1/4" or so of standing water on top, at least in the beginning. after a month or so of growing with soil (probably sooner lol) you will better know how much water is needed and can eliminate most of the runoff. when i was in the process of getting it down, i bought a shop vac on sale at kmart, and just use that to suck up the runoff. no need to move pots or dump trays. as for WHEN to water, a very, very important part of soil growing that can save you tons of problems or cause just as many, check out this killer thread by 10k: Lift the Pot
2. you don't necessarily have to get specialty soil from the hydro store, just make sure its quality. iow this is one aspect definitely not to go on the cheap. lower quality soil can have parasites, ph problems, fertilizer inconsistancies, all kinds of bad stuff. not sure how often you can water, but i would recommend mixing soil/perlite up to 60/40. (an airtight beer cooler works great not only for mixing but storing your medium too!) cannabis loves a loose medium, the roots get plenty of oxygen, and the perlite helps ensure good drainage and a more uniform saturation of the soil. fyi, the more perlite in the mix, the more often you have to water, and over 50% will cause most of it to float to the top so stay clear of that.
3. this is where i disagree with the conventional wisdom. (growing is an art, what do you do. lol) the size of the rootball corresponds directly with the amount of bud... but i found that after switching to 12/12 the roots don't grow much at all (by looking after harvest). if you transplant directly before switching, as most people seem to do, myself included in the beginning, the root system doesn't put on much mass. sure, a few tap roots will search out for water when the soil starts to dry out before the next watering, but for the most part it seems a waste of medium, effort, and space, and transplanting is always a stress that even done correctly sets you back at least a few days (this adds up with three or four transplants!). I've read that veg growth doesn't kick in as fast if you go directly into bigger pots from the start, but look at these examples i put in dirt a couple weeks ago:
this soon-to-be mama clone (Chrystal, nirvana) went directly into a 2 gallon pot from the clone tray.
the chrystal clone in the middle went into a one gallon pot at the same time.
now, two weeks later, look at the respective growth (the above clone is in the middle top, the mama of course is on the right. the floro makes things look lighter, so don't judge by the seemingly apparent lack of green lol):
the mama has been LST'd, which is responsible for some of the additional foilage, but it was ready to do so first out of the group, even though it went directly into a bigger pot!
my current strategy is to put clones into the containers you plan on finishing in and that's that (for seeds i go with four inch squares until rootbound then to finishing containers a week or so before switching to 12/12). even if you do have to veg an extra week, it will be worth it in the end when a larger, non-transplant-stressed root system fattens up your buds. that week will be more than made up for in the stress-time you save avoiding multiple transplants.
i haven't really ran this theory across any long-time growers, so please let me know what you guys think about it. and just to show i've got a decent handle on my own garden, here's some cannabis porn haha. all veg'd under a 200 watt compact fluorescent, bloomed under T5's:
what do you guys think about my intuitive analysis of transplanting, root and veg growth. in other words, are my instincts full of shite or do you think i might actually be doing something that makes sense? lol don't worry i'm not easily offended, and i thrive on criticism. well, as long as you're not a dick about it. en garde!
haha btw tonight is my last night smoking mj for a spell. i'm applying for an overseas translator job, so have to clean up and be republican and shit. (yeah right - only if its the republicana of ron paul.
) but i need some money so i can buy a house and get those hps' a kicken. i have some plans in mind. some good ones. [hands rubbing together] mwhahaahaha.hope all is well with you and yours.
p.s. i never knew hash could make you feel so good.
p.p.s. well played, new hampshire. props on keeping things interesting.
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and thanks nzjay.
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no smokin!!! oh my...
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i started a new thread, so i will stop hijacking yours. hah!
ill get a cam as soon as i can, so you can come along for the ride
ill get a cam as soon as i can, so you can come along for the ride
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khaleel
hell yeah, NZjay, you know i'm there!
ok so my no smoking thing is starting tomorrow. hahahaha isn't that the way it always works.
guys, the jack isn't going to make it. the little pom poms are turning brownish red now, and it all smells like a dead fuking plant. i'm scrapping her tomorrow and trying again with the clone in veg. after that though, i'm going to run the chrystal only. (well, a few bella donna's coming up too). tired of all these different strains needing different feedings, not worth it with the little set-up i have. once i get back from the desert and get a house, however...
ok so my no smoking thing is starting tomorrow. hahahaha isn't that the way it always works.
guys, the jack isn't going to make it. the little pom poms are turning brownish red now, and it all smells like a dead fuking plant.
i'm scrapping her tomorrow and trying again with the clone in veg. after that though, i'm going to run the chrystal only. (well, a few bella donna's coming up too). tired of all these different strains needing different feedings, not worth it with the little set-up i have. once i get back from the desert and get a house, however...
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yup. thats the way to go man.. find 1 awesome plant you love (like me and my urkle) and grow her, and only her for a while.
helps you get dialed in on your grows, when you KNOW what your girl needs.
helps you get dialed in on your grows, when you KNOW what your girl needs.
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guest5703
damn this thread is flying by! So hows the jack now a days???
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caligreen said:
oh, a lot better. now that it's in my trim box. lol she didn't make it. chalk one up to experience and learning. but i just switched over another clone, so we'll try again with her.
NZjay: hey brother, i was just about to check out your new thread! i think the focusing on ONE strain is a good idea too. such a nice strain, the chrystal is, too. not like i have to sacrifice to do it. haha
alright, enough of the sick plant shit. here's some pics of the bloom room now:
and some close-ups of the super ice girls in week six:
i love that bottom pic. the stem was twisted around a screen (remember back when i was going to do a screen grow, then it was too much hassle so i switched to SOG), and the buds all developed nicely. cool stuff. smells great too, can't wait for another couple weeks.
k that's it. hope all is well!
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niiiice,shit looks good homie sorry if i missed it but how far into flower r you?
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YwouldntI said:
the farthest along, the above pics, are week six and a half. three other trays in there too: weeks four and a half, two and a half, and just a half. lol perpetual, every two weeks, four trays in bloom, trying to get the veg room caught up now. as soon as i do, it will be four weeks of veg, then to bloom. can't wait, my girls have had to go in to bloom a little on the scrawny side, but i will have everything caught up in a few weeks. stupid borg. lost some healthy plants back when spider mites hitched a ride on a gifted clone and i cleared out my veg room.
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hey guys, just thought i would put up some pics of the veg room.
it will be two weeks before i can move any of these over, so that's good. that means the batch after this one will have had FOUR weeks in veg, my goal veg time. hopefully the amount of clones i can pull off the mama will keep everything in good order. can't wait for some fat harvests off of fully veg'd chrystals.
and the mama Chrystal herself... just took five clones off her after this pic. great little plant, can't wait for her to get rollin', and i'm hoping the clones take off quickly.
and miss Bella Donna (paradise seed co.), on day three in soil:
it will be two weeks before i can move any of these over, so that's good. that means the batch after this one will have had FOUR weeks in veg, my goal veg time. hopefully the amount of clones i can pull off the mama will keep everything in good order. can't wait for some fat harvests off of fully veg'd chrystals.
and the mama Chrystal herself... just took five clones off her after this pic. great little plant, can't wait for her to get rollin', and i'm hoping the clones take off quickly.
and miss Bella Donna (paradise seed co.), on day three in soil:
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hmm... i was just reading back through my thread, and some of the my recent veg pics ended up on my earlier posts! i suppose its because i named them the same file name.
so for future reference, and i may be a bonehead for not knowing this in advance, name your pics by date or something unique to each. idk, sort of pisses me off, if you look at the original veg room pic it doesn't make sense with the caption ("the super ice on the bottom left is a little sick..."). arrrggh.
so for future reference, and i may be a bonehead for not knowing this in advance, name your pics by date or something unique to each. idk, sort of pisses me off, if you look at the original veg room pic it doesn't make sense with the caption ("the super ice on the bottom left is a little sick..."). arrrggh.
