spiritlevel: BB Cheese & 1.2kW-HPS

[spiritlevel]

Welcome back to another Cheesy Update.

Last time I gave a run down on what was happening was 01/01/2008, where they all had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and Voodoo Juice to and EC of 1.4.

Then on 01/03/2008 they had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and Sensi Bloom to and EC of 1.4. I also insecticided with 'Spidermite Control' on this day before feeding.

Unfortunately I got the right EC but forgot to check the pH due to my intoxicated state. I had no solution left in the bucket to even get to the actual realisation of how bad the pH was out.

The pots remained quite weighty for an extra day or so. It seemed as though they weren't taking anything up.

For around 7 days I've spotted 'leaf yellowing' on one, then gradually to a couple more. A friend says its Magnesium deficiency. I'm going to post some pics to see what you all think (if anyone is following). I took some B52 from a pal to add in my next feed as I read on the lable that it had 2 types of magnesium in its composition. I may be doing the wrong thing, so I think I will start another thread or look through the forums for plant problem diagnostics as I'm sure I've spotted a comprehensive guide lurking somewhere here.

Yesterday 01/07/2008 they had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and B52 to and EC of 1.5. Today, they look ok. I don't think the yellowing has increased much. I must also add that I see a lot of purple (red) leaf stems (petioles) and purple (red) on the main stem on all of them. I'm going wrong somewhere and I think my last harvest is causing me to be too wasted at this time to not see it lol...

I'm going to sort thru some images to share.

 

[spiritlevel]

Worries in the camp.... Deficiency!!

Worries in the camp.... Deficiency!!

Any help is appreciated..

Here are a series of pix hot off the press... I took pix of 4 of the 6 cheeses to display as much deficiency as I can.. They are in no particular order

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I'm sure I can spot A definite Phosphorus deficiency and a definite Potassium deficiency, ANY SUGGESTIONS FELLOW GROWERS??

 

[gramsci.antonio]

in my opinion is just a nitrogen def.

 

[Black Ra1n]

Hey spiritlevel, damn you're using a lot of products. Have you given them a shot of molasses? I alter my feedings between fert. and molasses. Good luck with your grow.

B/R

 

[pccdrom]

Welcome back to another Cheesy Update.

Last time I gave a run down on what was happening was 01/01/2008, where they all had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and Voodoo Juice to and EC of 1.4.

Then on 01/03/2008 they had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and Sensi Bloom to and EC of 1.4. I also insecticided with 'Spidermite Control' on this day before feeding.

Unfortunately I got the right EC but forgot to check the pH due to my intoxicated state. I had no solution left in the bucket to even get to the actual realisation of how bad the pH was out.

The pots remained quite weighty for an extra day or so. It seemed as though they weren't taking anything up.

For around 7 days I've spotted 'leaf yellowing' on one, then gradually to a couple more. A friend says its Magnesium deficiency. I'm going to post some pics to see what you all think (if anyone is following). I took some B52 from a pal to add in my next feed as I read on the lable that it had 2 types of magnesium in its composition. I may be doing the wrong thing, so I think I will start another thread or look through the forums for plant problem diagnostics as I'm sure I've spotted a comprehensive guide lurking somewhere here.

Yesterday 01/07/2008 they had Mother Earth Bloom, Carboload, Barricade, F1, H2, Big Bud and B52 to and EC of 1.5. Today, they look ok. I don't think the yellowing has increased much. I must also add that I see a lot of purple (red) leaf stems (petioles) and purple (red) on the main stem on all of them. I'm going wrong somewhere and I think my last harvest is causing me to be too wasted at this time to not see it lol...

I'm going to sort thru some images to share.

1.5 EC, wot are you going to max it at? some very nice plants u got there.
I too have 3 cheese cuttings, but i dont think i can safely feed them an EC of 1.5
I like B52, well i mean my plants do.

 

[spiritlevel]

in my opinion is just a nitrogen def.

That would probably be indicative via the yellowing. What about the red petioles?

Hey spiritlevel, damn you're using a lot of products. Have you given them a shot of molasses? I alter my feedings between fert. and molasses. Good luck with your grow.

B/R

I haven't tried molasses. The last time I brought molasses up as an area of debate I was banned from a website for some reason or other. I'm not wholey clued up on its application, what it provides, if I can over do it etc... If you care to share some vitals about molasses then I'll be glad to give it w whirl.

1.5 EC, wot are you going to max it at? some very nice plants u got there.
I too have 3 cheese cuttings, but i dont think i can safely feed them an EC of 1.5
I like B52, well i mean my plants do.

Max will be 1.8. might be higher, I just dunno what the problem is to be precise.

Thanks for your replies folks

 

[Black Ra1n]

Hey spiritlevel, molasses is full of micro nutrients and it's organic. I usually put 1 tablespoon per liter of water. I also flush for 2 weeks at the end with this mix, great taste. Try it out and see for yourself, good luck man.

B/R

 

[spiritlevel]

Hey spiritlevel, molasses is full of micro nutrients and it's organic. I usually put 1 tablespoon per liter of water. I also flush for 2 weeks at the end with this mix, great taste. Try it out and see for yourself, good luck man.

B/R

I will buy some tomorrow and give it a try, I've heard good things but nothing concrete. Thanks

 

[spiritlevel]

In the end I decided not to buy anything. Not because the advice I have received isn't good enough, but because out of the advice I've kinda come to an assumption about what could be wrong.

I simply won't accept the chronic yellowing being due to pot size. I've grown hundreds of cannabis plant of varying strains over the years using the same construct and parameters, incurring only subtle differences over the course of time. I think those differences are so minute that I won't even bring them fully into context.

I agree with those who say there is a Nitrogen (N) lack. The physical characteristics of the deficiency are very much in tune with what occurs toward the end of bloom. To add to that, when I look at the NPK levels of what I've been feeding them, though the EC/PPM has been in range, the overall balance of the mixed nutrient solutions' content obviously doesn't possess the right set of available elements that the plants require. A bit like living off a big mac and fries for a month or two then realizing ones dietary requirements have not been met by way of developing and illness maybe.

So with that in mind (the plants dietary requirements) I've looked on my shelves to see what I could amend my nutrient solution with to increase the (N) content.

Mother Earth Bloom - 0.5 - 1.5 - 2.0
Sensi Bloom A only - 4.3 - 0 - 3.1
Big Bud - 0 - 1 - 4
Formulex - 2.4 - 0.9 - 3.4

Carboload was also added.

There is clearly much more (N) in that meal than:

Mother Earth Bloom - 0.5 - 1.5 - 2.0
Humic H2 - 1.0 - 0.75 - 1.5
Fulvic F1 - 1.0 - 0.75 - 1.5
Big Bud - 0 - 1 - 4

Plus Carboload, and Potassium Silicate.. I

I'm quite sure from that info about (N) from you helpful folks, and the NPK levels on each bottle, and a lil mathematics, that I'm hoping is right, shows how I've come to have an (N) deficiency.

** [ if i can just add the components then the resultant NPK would be around 7 - 3 - 13 {4.2.7?/3.1.5?}, compared to the 3 - 4 - 9 {1.1.2?} (I dunno I've my calculations are correct but it the only way I can try and get my head round the deficiency and what I did/didn't do) ] **

 

[spiritlevel]

01/10/2008 - Spidermite Control was applied... will be doing this every so often to keep the pests away.

01/11/2008 - Sensi Bloom, B52, F-1, H2, Big Bud and Carboload EC1.6.

I don't know if I'm getting more yellowing or if its the same yellow leaves from earlier just decaying and falling off, so I've trimmed back the yellow stuff and I'm goin to see if the problem still persists over the coming days. Besides the decaying leaves, they smell and look pretty good for this stage in their bloom phase - Day 24 / into week 4.. I'll take a few pix over the next day or two.

 

[spiritlevel]

I took some pix yesterday after feeding them doses as prescribed on the label of: F1, H2, Big Bud, Carboload, Mother Earth Bloom and the topping off with Sensi A & B to an EC of 1.8. Today the look good. I think they can take more food. It seems the more I give them the more they perk up and look healthy. I'm use to maxing at EC1.8, but I may push it to 2.0 on the next and see if and nute burn arises.

The yellowing has subsided, but hasn't stopped completely. By increasing their food supply its slowed the deficiency by more than half the rate it was.

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[spiritlevel]

Day 27 of bloom I do believe, I shalll state the measurements for a change

Into bucket / reservoir in the following order:

6.5L aerated water
12.5ml F1 - Fulvic
25ml H2 - Humic
5ml Carboload
25ml Big Bud
20ml Mother Earth Bloom
5ml B52
4.5ml Sensi A / Sensi B (added in 2.5 then 1ml increments)

Resultant EC 1.9 (pushing the limits today, was goin to take it to 2.0 but chickened out) pH downed from 7 to 6.25. They had just over 1L each.

I'm finding spidermite problematic. I took of a few yellow fans that were shading lower bud sites. I took off a few spidermite colonised leaves. Luckily, they are quite bushy in comparison to my previous cheese attempts, so hacking off a leaf or two has not left the plants looking naked. To the most extent I tried to just amputate leaves that were posing more than one problem, be it; yellowing, mites and/or blocking light from lower bud sites.

I mixed up 2L of 'Pest Off'. I'm trying a different product to Spidermite Control. Failing this I will be off to buy some Cyanide from the hydro shop. It isn't on the shelf. It's good shit but toxic. Any way, I will be spraying these in a couple hours or so with the pest off solution with the hope that it eradicates my mite problem.

Besides that, they smell great, and the frost is forming on them a treat. Moving them around for watering is a stick and smelly job... fucking great! They seem to be growing pretty quick. I'll take some more pix when I spot some calyx development going on.

 

[pccdrom]

Day 27 of bloom I do believe, I shalll state the measurements for a change

Into bucket / reservoir in the following order:

6.5L aerated water
12.5ml F1 - Fulvic
25ml H2 - Humic
5ml Carboload
25ml Big Bud
20ml Mother Earth Bloom
5ml B52
4.5ml Sensi A / Sensi B (added in 2.5 then 1ml increments)

Resultant EC 1.9 (pushing the limits today, was goin to take it to 2.0 but chickened out) pH downed from 7 to 6.25. They had just over 1L each.

I'm finding spidermite problematic. I took of a few yellow fans that were shading lower bud sites. I took off a few spidermite colonised leaves. Luckily, they are quite bushy in comparison to my previous cheese attempts, so hacking off a leaf or two has not left the plants looking naked. To the most extent I tried to just amputate leaves that were posing more than one problem, be it; yellowing, mites and/or blocking light from lower bud sites.

I mixed up 2L of 'Pest Off'. I'm trying a different product to Spidermite Control. Failing this I will be off to buy some Cyanide from the hydro shop. It isn't on the shelf. It's good shit but toxic. Any way, I will be spraying these in a couple hours or so with the pest off solution with the hope that it eradicates my mite problem.

Besides that, they smell great, and the frost is forming on them a treat. Moving them around for watering is a stick and smelly job... fucking great! They seem to be growing pretty quick. I'll take some more pix when I spot some calyx development going on.

Mites are not welcome, get them out!
Everything else seems, controlled. As usual.

 

[spiritlevel]

yes pccdrom.. but i think my best work is yet to occur... i'm too high most of the time to make the right decission.

 

[spiritlevel]

Day 28 / 25 of bloom

Day 28 / 25 of bloom

Seems I've forgotten 2 of the cheeses are 3 days behind. There are subtle differences in there appearances that denote the fact they didn't all do in at the same time.

All is good. I think I've already said that the yellowing is still occurring. Not so much as it was, but the increased feeding seems to be buying me time. Only one of the plants are showing minuscule signs of over fert from the 1.9EC given yesterday. They're all are quite green. I'll be easing off the food after this little push. I'll be commencing overdrive one day soon.

Today I've blasted them with pest off. I mixed 2L and assume i applied 1/3rd of a litre of the solution to each plant as thorough as i could be. while i was doin it I thought about having a pest control bath that I could dunk the plants in, maybe a future implementation?

They, really let off a stench today while spraying, twas very pungent.

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[spiritlevel]

Today, I'm a little confused as to what I should feed them. I was going to give them a flush with pH'd water before commencing overdrive for the last fortnight of bloom, but I think I won't be doing them any justice by skimping on food for a day.

I'm quite overwhelmed with the resin production so far. Not so much the quantity as the quality of the aroma. These ladies portray a very rich fragrance. The resin is very oily at the moment. I touched a frosted leaf and rubbed my fingers together and the stench was terrific. The consistency of what was on my fingers was quite oily, almost like cheap lubricant; but after some rubbing it got more sticky.

They are still yellowing gradually. Now that I'm into the final furlong I'm now not overly worried about the nitrogen problem, although I will bare this in mind come next phase.

I can see calyx development. Overdrive time!!

As I said, I dunno what to feed em! Since I'm goin to give up Big Bud any day now, I've decided to give them:

15ml - F1 Fulvic
25ml - H2 Humic
7ml - Carboload
10ml - Sensi A / Sensi B
5ml - B52
EC1.5 / 6.20pH

i guess ive given up bigbud??

Hopefully, this will suffice. Its looking bountiful.

 

[spiritlevel]

Day 31 / 28 Bloom... Week 4

Day 31 / 28 Bloom... Week 4

Still going quite well. Probably looking at an average harvest..

Today I commence overdrive feeding regime. I'm around half way I guess.

12.5ml - F1 Fulvic
25ml - H2 Humic
5ml - Carboload
12.5ml - Overdrive
3.5ml - Sensi A / Sensi B

EC 1.6 and... errrr. the pH errr, hummm, shyt... i forgot to pH again.. may as well add an extra day before the next feed now.. pH was probably 7.0, I hope it was less, I'll know next time when it may have been. Damn, too much good reefa!!

I see calyx development happening on all of them now so it won't be very long before I'm leeching the soil and readying these girls for the chop.

I've also taken some pix of a couple plants.

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[Pirate138]

Our BB Cheese looks similar, i just chopped some of mine.

 

[spiritlevel]

^^ a bit yellow aren't they? i guess they are finished.. lst? looks good... I have 10 more cheese in the propagator and I'm very much considering lst hydro-dwc for my next effort.. Soil is just so wasteful and I wanna reduce my carbon footprint lol.. More plants in hydro with same lighting i think... Thanks for dropping by... will you be growing sheese again? let us know the smoke verdict when its ready too

 

[spiritlevel]

Day 33 / 30 Bloom

Day 33 / 30 Bloom

I tried updating yesterday, no joy for some reason...

I think I gave them

12.5ml - F1
25ml - H2
7ml - Carboload
12.5ml - Overdrive
10ml - Mother Earth Bloom
2.5ml - Sensi A / Sensi B

EC1.5 pH 6.25

All was well... can't remember what I wrote at the time. They are now showing signs of yellowing that should indicate the end of bloom. It is kinda different to the previous yellowing in a sense. This is definitely the autumn period for the plants. Calyx development is now prominent. Lots of resin. Very sticky when moving them around... Stinking loads... Not a single sign of a melenated pistil. Might be a late finisher due to veg time.. Was hoping for an early finish as my medication is now having to be sourced from foreign sources and their product is not a patch on my self reared medical kit...

I think they are about to explode. Their food consumption / fluid intake has increased. The pots seemed much dryer today than normal, not quite dry enough to water, but more than usual. I'll be feeding them them first thing and probably going to feed them a little more than normal.

My regime has been to only give the plants 1L each, which has kinda worked for the past several weeks / years. I'm very eager to see how well these ladies do.