Germany to legalize cannabis

[zaprjaques]

@Cuddles a paper has been sent to Brussels, wich is more of a sketch than anything else and it goes a little something like this:

• Cannabis is to be sold in licensed stores to adults for recreational purposes. This is to ensure that the cannabis quality is controlled and that no contaminated substances are released. The protection of minors should be guaranteed. Cannabis should only be sold to adults.
• The commercial cultivation and distribution of recreational cannabis should be state-licensed and controlled. The aim is to curb the black market and organized drug crime.
• Acquisition and possession of cannabis for personal consumption should be permitted, but only up to a maximum amount of 20 to 30 grams. Private cultivation should also be permitted, limited to three plants for each adult.
• The prevention offers for cannabis are to be expanded. Instead of being prosecuted, underage users should, for example, take part in mandatory prevention programs. There will be a general ban on advertising.
• The societal effects of the law are to be evaluated after four years and beyond.

Source: https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/service/gesetzesvorhaben/cannabis-eckpunkte-2138168

Germany is saying that by this model harm is beeing reduced and the laws and UN agreements are better served than by totally banning cannabis.

Now, a sort of decriminalization would be nice even before theres an actual law that would make cannabis legal to get people used to what the future is supposed to look like ... but i suppose this wont happen.

Many view the sketchy paper beeing sent to Brussels as a weak move.
No idea what plan B might look like if the EU says no.

German government still says theyre making it legal, one way or another...

It remains to be seen.

 

[dimodz]

I thought it was 6 or 12? has it been reduced or have I simply been misinformed all this time?

its march 2017 were we change the law, that 6 years ago at germany

 

[Cuddles]

its march 2017 were we change the law, that 6 years ago

so they´ve been taking a turn in the wrong direction - that´s very sad But still better than no plants I guess. Do the police ever go around peoples houses to check up on this?

 

[dimodz]

so they´ve been taking a turn in the wrong direction - that´s very sad But still better than no plants I guess. Do the police ever go around peoples houses to check up on this?

no mate if not someone called police then he down check only at Braviara is south of country.

for example in my city if u calling police about smell she we have better things to do at Crankfurt

 

[St. Phatty]

People who live in the Free World,
have no obligation to follow the laws of the non-Free World, e.g. the US.

 

[VerdantGreen]

people are hoping that the German legalization will be a 'game changer' for the whole of Europe. No doubt it will take some years for UK to follow suit but it will be more likely to happen now.
VG

 

[dimodz]

people are hoping that the German legalization will be a 'game changer' for the whole of Europe. No doubt it will take some years for UK to follow suit but it will be more likely to happen now.
VG

Yeah that he crossing his fingers that happening to comig to route at end of the Day

 

[Ca++]

Germany have changed footing in cannabis legislation. They won't encourage it at a business level. They are going to legalise home growing, with non-profit clubs used for distribution.

This should be seen for what it is. The people can grow it, and if they are stupid about it, the laws can be changed back with no loss to business sectors. Sectors who would resists loosing any foothold they had made, if it had been legal.

I know 90% are struggling with this, but look at Thailand. Watch what happens, as it unfolds. In short, the people were given cannabis. Wishful thinking thought they heard it was legal. Shops sprung up. In the next few months the governing laws will be written. Then we will see the future for Germany, is just like the past for the UK. They are just dipping their toe in the water, to see how it feels. UK did it, and back peddled. Thailand have done it, and in all likelyhood are poised to back peddle. Germany are going to give it's people the chance they deserve. Then later, it will be cafes or illegal again. I already know that people just hear 'decriminalised' and think they can make a million.

 

[goingrey]

Germany have changed footing in cannabis legislation. They won't encourage it at a business level. They are going to legalise home growing, with non-profit clubs used for distribution.

Have they given any details? Plant counts and so on..

 

[Hasch]

At the moment the polticians are proposing:
3 flowering female plants and about 20-30g of weed.
Not sure if this is for carrying outside or total amount of stored weed.

No commercial selling or growing.

Cannabis clubs that are non profit and the members get their weed and maybe even cuttings / seeds there.

 

[Cuddles]

At the moment the polticians are proposing:
3 flowering female plants and about 20-30g of weed.
Not sure if this is for carrying outside or total amount of stored weed.

No commercial selling or growing.

Cannabis clubs that are non profit and the members get their weed and maybe even cuttings / seeds there.

Trouble is though... who´s gonna be running these clubs? and they want to limit these clubs to a certain number of members. Honestly, this whole cannabis-club- idea is kinda iffy and will extremey limiting. In other words - it won´t meet the demand. I ´m thinking of the people who could be relieved of unecessary pain and of those who may even be cured (you all know what I´m talking about)

I think that at first they said it would be at leat 6 flowering plants. .. but the right wingers are totally against the whole idea in general and I guess the current government can´t put the law through without their votes. -???

It would already be helpful if they simply just decriminalzed weed in general. Full stop. At least then, people could still grow their own meds without fear.

 

[Hasch]

From what I understand the goal is to have the EU politicians agree to the new German cannabis laws.

The EU politicians weren't thrilled with the first proposal of the German minister. Now he is revising his concept, in the hopes of getting the EU approval.

So far all these ideas and new proposals are just sketches, no one knows how the new laws will turn out. (Or if there even will be a major change in the German cannabis laws...)

 

[El Pollo Diablo]

I ´m thinking of the people who could be relieved of unecessary pain and of those who may even be cured (you all know what I´m talking about)

Patients already get it for free...

The hole club idea is bs.

But they won't even be able to make that happen. German government is a bunch of

 

[Ca++]

Trouble is though... who´s gonna be running these clubs? and they want to limit these clubs to a certain number of members. Honestly, this whole cannabis-club- idea is kinda iffy and will extremey limiting. In other words - it won´t meet the demand. I ´m thinking of the people who could be relieved of unecessary pain and of those who may even be cured (you all know what I´m talking about)

I think that at first they said it would be at leat 6 flowering plants. .. but the right wingers are totally against the whole idea in general and I guess the current government can´t put the law through without their votes. -???

It would already be helpful if they simply just decriminalzed weed in general. Full stop. At least then, people could still grow their own meds without fear.

You want more than they are giving you. This is what will stop you getting anything. This club isn't a coffee shop where you can score. It's not a commercial opportunity. They are saying you can grow your own, and you can give a bit to your friend that needs meds. That is the club. The small group of people you can smoke it with. This offers you protection while driving some to an ill relative you help out. It's per-arranged. You are clubbing resources together. If you start selling, it will be easier to prove, as you will be giving it people outside your club.

Growing your own, and moving it between friends, is going to be fine.
Any wider distribution isn't alright.
The club, is your network of friends. Not a venue.

Be very careful how you make use of these new allowance. People in the UK were told they could smoke a bit, and carry a bit. They twisted the law to stand with that amount on the corner, selling. Weeks later the leniency ended. Idiots had ruined it. Thailand is going through it now, with the locals told they could grow some meds, and even handed plants by the gov. Then foreigners ran in, and set up coffee shops while the police have no guidance framework yet in place. Watch where that goes.

People need to look at the goals of the laws, not for loopholes to make it something the gov don't like.

 

[chilliwilli]

I like the non commercial approache very much. People need to learn at first that cannabis is an agricultural product that everyone can make on their own with no need for big companys. There will be more diversity of genetics and not the usually gelato and skittlez stuff u get every were because it sells best.
Never forget the ability to get rich on cannabis is because of the blackmarlet that caused by the prohibition. Without prohibition it would be an agricultural product that can be produced cheap(f.e. the canadian can grow a 60ct/g high quality indoors)

 

[Creeperpark]

This isn't new as far as smoke goes. When tobacco was first grown there was a lot of trouble that came with it. A lot of lives were lost due to tobacco. The old tobaccos' used to be psychoactive and get a person stoned. Check out this.

What war was fought over tobacco?
The Tobacco War (1780–1781) occurred during the American Revolutionary War in Virginia when the British forces commanded by generals Cornwallis, Phillips, and Arnold, burned the colonists' tobacco. About 10,000 hogsheads of cured tobacco leaf were destroyed by the British.

What caused the Black Patch Tobacco Wars?
This association of planters formed September 24, 1904 in protest of the monopoly ATC practice of paying deflated prices for their product and with the intent to control their own product and pricing by banding together.

When you can walk into a store and buy a pack of cannabis like you can do tobacco the prices will not be fought over and will be cheap. It won't be long either. When that happens all the greed will diminish.

 

[ip tampae]

Have they given any details? Plant counts and so on..

Translated with google

Non-profit associations are allowed to cultivate cannabis for recreational purposes and give it to members for their own consumption under narrow, clearly defined legal frameworks. The members should participate as actively as possible in the association. Participation of employees of the associations in cultivation is permitted, but commissioning of third parties with the cultivation is excluded.

In addition to the harvested recreational cannabis, seeds and cuttings produced by the association may also be given to members for home cultivation. It is examined whether and how seeds and/or cuttings for private self-cultivation may be obtained at cost price from the associations, without membership in an association being a prerequisite.

Approval and monitoring are carried out by state authorities, among other things, with regard to compliance with quantity, quality and youth protection requirements and with random checks and on-site visits. Personal data collected by the associations in connection with the supply of recreational cannabis, seeds and cuttings to members may not be disclosed to unauthorized third parties or used for other purposes. Membership in several associations is prohibited.

Membership fees cover the cost price, staggered according to the amount sold (if necessary with a basic flat rate and additional amount per gram delivered).

Leadership of the association is only possible by natural persons whose reliability has been checked. The association is managed in accordance with the principles of association law. Personal liability of the board of directors of the association in the event of financial loss or the violation of official requirements shall only take place in the event of intent or gross negligence.

 

[Cuddles]

I´ve only found stuff on how many grams of bud a person is able to purchase but there was no mention on oil or hash...

These club laws they´re proposing are kinda odd. The person in charge is not allowed to have a record but a great deal of people may very well have one - for cannabis,lol.

3 plants at a time may not be enough for some people growing at home especially if they can´t have an indoor set up.
I guess if you want say 6 plants you can try 3 autos -planted early and 3 regular

As long as people can grow their own without being dragged in front of a judge or fined ...

 

[ip tampae]

3 plants at a time may not be enough for some people growing at home especially if they can´t have an indoor set up.
I guess if you want say 6 plants you can try 3 autos -planted early and 3 regular

Nobody controls what people grow at home.
And if you absolutely need more grass, for whatever reason, register your mom, sister and your buddies, who don't consume, in the club.

 

[Ca++]

I´ve only found stuff on how many grams of bud a person is able to purchase but there was no mention on oil or hash...

These club laws they´re proposing are kinda odd. The person in charge is not allowed to have a record but a great deal of people may very well have one - for cannabis,lol.

3 plants at a time may not be enough for some people growing at home especially if they can´t have an indoor set up.
I guess if you want say 6 plants you can try 3 autos -planted early and 3 regular

As long as people can grow their own without being dragged in front of a judge or fined ...

There is no club. There is no buying weed. No oil. Nothing like a business in any shape or form.

There is you, growing your own. You can have associates, such as myself, who can help you, and get a share for doing so. There will be no giving it me unless I have taken part.

This is home growing, for yourself. You can have associates, but in that case, someone will be responsible for keeping track of these connections. They can't be a criminal.

It's recreational not medical. No dealing it out to people who didn't take part. No selling it. Nobody is to be reliant on this in any shape or form. So that when you are trying to buy some, they can make it illegal again, having failed to make it work. Without drawing criticism from business or ill people. Who shouldn't be getting it.

They are giving it you for one reason. It's so they can take it away again. People are going to be told they can grow their own, and think they can start smoking it in the park. Opening shops. the obvious stuff that's as good as got it banned again already. Watch Thailand.