What is Colombian Gold 🟡 to you?

[kro-magnon]

Some pollen can travel pretty far with the wind. In all places where humans and cannabis were close there was some people who used it in a way or another so it would be really strange if it had been in south america but not used by pre-colombian civilizations. Why are you so sure it was present in SA before the Europeans came ? I don't understand why you believe it was there.

 

[Roms]

Iam sapiens sapiens druid cheers bro

 

[funkyhorse]

Excuse me…!? My reproduction/ bulking and EVERY seed I shared for FREE…I did this reproduction when it was highly illegal to do so, paid obviously for the entire grow and shipping seeds over to Europe, a few times - I got Nothing in return but my satisfaction to see others grow something I shared for free…

SMG is a very stable & proven line (look at uniformity above of 28 seed plants, do you know what you’re seeing?) , I have no clue nor interest in what they charge but I’ve grow many of the available Colombians & imo these are the best golds available to buy

I’ve restocked it for FREE a couple times as well, and I would gladly again but then I question why with comments like yours above; disrespectful & ungrateful are two words that quickly come to mind.

For those whom have respect, decency - cheers, thank huesos too for his generosity

Peace

Hi mate
I had no clue this is your repro and dont take it personal because it is not
You understand about purchase parity power. Let's take a salary of your favourite corpo, McDonalds in New York and South America. I am writing you from SA. The price requested for a pack of this is a third of a salary of a McDonalds worker. In NY it would equal to how much 800u$s? So in PPP for a southamerican the price of a pack is like 800u$s and it is outrageous and why You dont see southamerican growers in the forum unless they belong to the canna mason lodge, the seed prices are out of reach for most people here

I paid Seedsman Haze original pack 20u$s. Why repros of the originals cost 4 times more? There is no other trade in the world where copies are more expensive than the originals

In SA we are all highly illegal and I am interested in southamerican genetics. All I tried coming from Europe is washed down and with inbreeding depression problems, I am interested to know why you think yours would not be the same result as all the others.

I see a pattern in all these repros. They are all being grown far away from the tropics, indoors under 2 meters of snow in tiny pots ranging from 0,5lt to maybe 5 lts if they are lucky. The result of this is inbreeding depression. Sativas should be bred in the tropics outdoors under the sun
Problems I got growing all the different strains carrying the tag colombian are similar: low landrace resistance which is understable because they are being grown in indoor labs in unpolluted environments. You put them back to nature and the result is similar to an animal grown in captivity and thrown to nature
Local fauna eats them and supposed landrace plants need to be babysitted or otherwise get eaten alive

I got equal numbers male female on some strains like the madmac ohz, oldtimer haze and CBG Mangobiche but all of it is inbreeding depression genetics.
Seedsman Haze from SamS as well

The high of all these genetics have nothing to do with the high we had in SA in the 80s or even in the first decade of the 2000s, if they are southamericans, they are all washed down

Please guys, this is not personal and this is not about egotrips or masonic lodges. This is about the genetics and the weed and very short is the step from preservation to degradation. Indoors not even a blind open pollination is good with sativas. Forget about selections indoors
We can use cambodian as standard. You grow it and I smoked it for 20 years, something like what was done in Usa within breeders with the California Orange clone
For me cambodian is a 5
The best plant I got from Seedsman Haze is a 6,5. But this is the best from more than 20 girls
I better dont rate any of the other colombians I grew coming from Europe, all well below cambodian quality and all of them when crossed with themselves give very poor progeny. And honestly for outcrossing I would prefer any genetics without inbreeding depression

How would you rate your colombian gold? And honestly, what makes you think it will not have inbreeding depression like all the rest of the sativas bred indoors in basements under 2 meters of snow in Alaska or Greenland? For sativas it is Guantanamo and we are turning Colombian Gold into Guantanamo Pyrite and this is happening with all the sativas.

Have a nice weekend

 

[elchischas]

This is from memory, what I remember of what I read when I grew the CG72
The seed was shared by someone who used the alias cripplecrow or something similar to that
@Nexus7 posted his name in the last pages of the CG72 thread

The info was on cannabiogen forum. The seed was sent to Spain to Kaiki and he gave it to JGL
It took one year to JGL to reproduce it
The same cripplecrow approached Dubi at this icmag forum and offered the same seed. I have no clue if it made to Dubi or not. The alias is not existing anymore and it was guest before the forum upgrade. I cant find anything after the upgrade and Cannabiogen forum is gone with all the info

Are you saying the Punto Rojo Kaiki/CBG had is sourced from Luiz BSC?

The USC CG72 needs 2 months cure and is good for the next 3 months, after that it starts getting a lot of munchies with the longer cure at tropical weather, this feature doesnt happen to most tropical varieties I dealt with in my life. The best would be to keep it at the fridge for slower cure and longer lasting

Cannabis is a very dynamic trade all over the world
I am seeing here and at more threads, buds from the 70s from Usa and american people telling they were sourcing bud and showing pictures of bud
It makes zero sense that you were smoking colombian grown buds. It should have been brick for long transportation. It makes a huge volume to transport bud and keep it in jars and burp the jars all the way to Usa to keep it. Brick was the traditional way to transport and keep bud all over the world and you talk about ziplocks for buds in the 70s, just no way what dealers were giving you at that time in the form of bud was colombian grown, it was all Usa grown
What I think is happening is Usa received real colombian brick in the 60s during the hippy time and then by the 70s it was all Usa grown. Haze started in 69? Growing ganja in Usa started in the 60s and by the 70s the american consumption was locally grown from the imported seeds? And who knows what is what? At that time it was hippy time and everything was free love and free everything

And when Tony Montana went to war beginning of 80s, the colombian export and the money was cocaine, why would you take all the risks to transport something else that is worse 10 times less like ganja?

Cripplecrow still on medio but at IG
He is a very old good friend, he is canadian and the original source of Colombian Gold 72
As far as I know he never offer the seeds to anyone. Opossite everyone ask for the seeds and now the seeds are still selling.

 

[led05]

Cripplecrow still on medio but at IG
He is a very old good friend, he is canadian and the original source of Colombian Gold 72
As far as I know he never offer the seeds to anyone. Opossite everyone ask for the seeds and now the seeds are still selling.

Hiya my brother

I grew the 1972 (from our Spanish brother) along side SMC, SMG, OThz, Ohz, UEL and maybe another Colombian or two I forget now - I still think wesos SMG he shared was truest representation of a gold… I have some 1972 if you’d like, or others too… Been kinda turned off as of late tbh though, lots sharing & not enough gratitude - luckily that’s certainly not your case but is for far too many others - once I get the desire to start sharing @ again you & Mike are at top list…

Hi mate
I had no clue this is your repro and dont take it personal because it is not
You understand about purchase parity power. Let's take a salary of your favourite corpo, McDonalds in New York and South America. I am writing you from SA. The price requested for a pack of this is a third of a salary of a McDonalds worker. In NY it would equal to how much 800u$s? So in PPP for a southamerican the price of a pack is like 800u$s and it is outrageous and why You dont see southamerican growers in the forum unless they belong to the canna mason lodge, the seed prices are out of reach for most people here

I paid Seedsman Haze original pack 20u$s. Why repros of the originals cost 4 times more? There is no other trade in the world where copies are more expensive than the originals

In SA we are all highly illegal and I am interested in southamerican genetics. All I tried coming from Europe is washed down and with inbreeding depression problems, I am interested to know why you think yours would not be the same result as all the others.

I see a pattern in all these repros. They are all being grown far away from the tropics, indoors under 2 meters of snow in tiny pots ranging from 0,5lt to maybe 5 lts if they are lucky. The result of this is inbreeding depression. Sativas should be bred in the tropics outdoors under the sun
Problems I got growing all the different strains carrying the tag colombian are similar: low landrace resistance which is understable because they are being grown in indoor labs in unpolluted environments. You put them back to nature and the result is similar to an animal grown in captivity and thrown to nature
Local fauna eats them and supposed landrace plants need to be babysitted or otherwise get eaten alive

I got equal numbers male female on some strains like the madmac ohz, oldtimer haze and CBG Mangobiche but all of it is inbreeding depression genetics.
Seedsman Haze from SamS as well

The high of all these genetics have nothing to do with the high we had in SA in the 80s or even in the first decade of the 2000s, if they are southamericans, they are all washed down

Please guys, this is not personal and this is not about egotrips or masonic lodges. This is about the genetics and the weed and very short is the step from preservation to degradation. Indoors not even a blind open pollination is good with sativas. Forget about selections indoors
We can use cambodian as standard. You grow it and I smoked it for 20 years, something like what was done in Usa within breeders with the California Orange clone
For me cambodian is a 5
The best plant I got from Seedsman Haze is a 6,5. But this is the best from more than 20 girls
I better dont rate any of the other colombians I grew coming from Europe, all well below cambodian quality and all of them when crossed with themselves give very poor progeny. And honestly for outcrossing I would prefer any genetics without inbreeding depression

How would you rate your colombian gold? And honestly, what makes you think it will not have inbreeding depression like all the rest of the sativas bred indoors in basements under 2 meters of snow in Alaska or Greenland? For sativas it is Guantanamo and we are turning Colombian Gold into Guantanamo Pyrite and this is happening with all the sativas.

Have a nice weekend

^^ The amount of things you’re trying to associate with me, attribute to me, the words/thoughts being connected to me - things I’ve never done, said nor believe in - well it is laughable, sad & ridiculous…

Why don’t all you in country people with access to in country legends properly make reproductions of natives in situation and share them @ the world for free like all us rich greedy westerners keep doing? Show us the real genetic gold and how it’s all done; please do teach us?

You’re barking up the wrong tree and with all the wrong noise…

Peace

 

[led05]

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[Mtn. Nectar]

kudos to huesos….crippledcrow…..ledO…….and all who partake in non hybridized reproductions ….non profit…

the loss has always been in the high……chasing the dragon ……
ganj on…

 

[bigherb]

I'm not South/Central America specialist but @satva is one the best Colombian connoisseur and reporter i know.

At the time Luiz and his BrazilianSeedCo had released Colombian Black, i don't remember for the Red and Gold but very probably yes.



Have to ask amigo @nachilloo, CBG's PR is work of him. Then also pure repro by @jact55.

Nachillo did Punto Rojo selections He selected 7 males from 50 . Charlie Garcia used both mountain grown and valley selections in his Punto Rojo work

Charlie used the Best and longer flowering from Tolima and Santa Marta he could collect .

If I recall correct , Funny recently I seen a Latin show on Netflix ( my lady is Colombian) a 60’s show where they talked about punto Rojo being cream of the crop that will take you to the moon and coming from Santa Marta

I don’t have much more specific details in the breeding as nachillo only conversed with me briefly in pm but he shared Red x Gold . It’s from Luiz BSC and Nachillo believed as others do there Colombian Gold wasn’t 100 pure

I picked Charlie’s brain about lumbos long ago . I miss that brother , what a wealth of knowledge. Aside from being a Great guy . Hope you’re well where ever you are

He told me Gold influenced North America , Rojos South America. Punto Rojo was the Top notch , Elite in Colombia . He shared that names were used loosely depending on valleys n locations. He also shared his opinion on the source of these Genetics thought to be African . The effects commonly associated were Euphoric and trippy with no paranoia. Also color varied in Pink /Red /Purple


Curious Question for the OG’s , the lucky ones who smoked the legendary imports

Did any Colombians have a copper taste ?

 

[Rembetis]

reading thru recent posts trying to get caught up on all that has been said.
The Cannabiogen forum still exists. Harder to find with the new site format. https://www.icmag.com/forums/cannabiogen/ Some forums have been removed in the past by admins. Mostly small obscure seed sellers. Cannabiogen was deemed important enough to keep it here for reference to their works.

As to origins in the new world, there was a lengthy discussion here including documentation from historical records. Colombia was a big part of the discussion. If I recall the thread correctly, there was mention along with photos of newspaper clippings or some type of media reports regarding American Pharmaceutical Companies having planted large acreages of Indian Cannabis for export to the U.S. in the 1920's or maybe 1930's. Trying to find that discussion. Anyone remember that?

 

[Rembetis]

Regarding how early Cannabis made it to the west, records indicate that all of the major colonial powers had issues with hemp and finding suitable places to grow the crop to meet the huge demand. Again just going off of memory of the discussion, Hemp being more of a temperate climate plant failed in the tropics. So if it did make it west before the Spanish then in what form was it?

 

[goingrey]

As to origins in the new world, there was a lengthy discussion here including documentation from historical records. Colombia was a big part of the discussion. If I recall the thread correctly, there was mention along with photos of newspaper clippings or some type of media reports regarding American Pharmaceutical Companies having planted large acreages of Indian Cannabis for export to the U.S. in the 1920's or maybe 1930's. Trying to find that discussion. Anyone remember that?

Red rider mentions it on the Breeder's Syndicate podcast but I can't really find anything online. Except about pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly growing "Cannabis Americana" in ... Greenfield, Indiana.

Would be interesting to see if someone finds the link.

 

[elchischas]

Hiya my brother

I grew the 1972 (from our Spanish brother) along side SMC, SMG, OThz, Ohz, UEL and maybe another Colombian or two I forget now - I still think wesos SMG he shared was truest representation of a gold… I have some 1972 if you’d like, or others too… Been kinda turned off as of late tbh though, lots sharing & not enough gratitude - luckily that’s certainly not your case but is for far too many others - once I get the desire to start sharing @ again you & Mike are at top list…

Hola hermano
Thanks a lot
I remember at that time of the VibesCo was at least three CG lines there. A few years ago i found a old Vibes Co member and good friend "Anaba" ( hi brother wherever you are) and he share with me three different strains: two was Malawi Gold (one was the Dr.Greenthumbs line and the other a old batch from África i think) and a Colombian Gold from VibesCo. But I don't remember was . I got a cross from @RandyCalifornia with Panamá and maybe is one of those VibesCo Colombian Gold Strains.
At that time Jahgreenlabel sent me a batch from his first Colombian Gold 72 from Cripplecrow but all those seeds was lost with all my original seeds collection.
A good friend that i meet on IG will share with me Colombian Gold 72 seeds i think (need to ask) if you want them just tell me

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Cripplecrow still on medio but at IG
He is a very old good friend, he is canadian and the original source of Colombian Gold 72
As far as I know he never offer the seeds to anyone. Opossite everyone ask for the seeds and now the seeds are still selling.

America has a long history of marijuana cultivation that started long long before the hippies in the 1960s.

”
A fascinating blog from the Brooklyn Public Library remembers when, in the 1940s and early '50s, "razor-toothed fronds of 10 foot tall Cannabis sativa plants could be seen all around the city happily waving in the wind like any other innocuous and legal weed."
New York's time as a marijuana hot-spot, however, came to an end in the early 1950s when a buzzkill named John E. Gleason, who was the Sanitation Department Chief Inspector, formed the "White Wing Squad" to confiscate and destroy the plant wherever it grew. The squad would go on to incinerate 41,000 pounds of marijuana, over 17,000 of which was uprooted in Brooklyn, namely in neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Greenpoint, and East New York.’

PHOTOS: Brooklyn Used To Grow A LOT Of Marijuana

PHOTOS: Brooklyn Used To Grow A LOT Of Marijuana

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[OldCoolSativa]

Curious Question for the OG’s , the lucky ones who smoked the legendary imports

Did any Colombians have a copper taste ?

Not that I ever smoked. Colombian was remarkable due to the consistency of its earthy, woody, peppery, musty rich aroma that probably had a lot to do with the curing and bricking process. The Colombian gold similar was but different, a bit floral and incense wood vs decaying wood aromas. The Mexican was more piney earthy peppery.

 

[Movement13]

Im growing Colombia 90 x Michoacan 78 x Colombian Gold (Fem) from kwik seeds about 4th week into flower it smells like vanilla extract honestly cant wait to smoke it.​

 

[piper]

What is Colombian Gold to you?​

a flashback, a goodn'

 

[Roms]

Nachillo did Punto Rojo selections He selected 7 males from 50 . Charlie Garcia used both mountain grown and valley selections in his Punto Rojo work

Charlie used the Best and longer flowering from Tolima and Santa Marta he could collect .

Gracias Bigherb for clarification, Kaiki/Charlie had mixed the Red and Gold so great Colombian reunification but i think pity to have kept Punta Roja or Punto Rojo name for! "Oldschool Colombian" or "Old Timer" might have been better!

He told me Gold influenced North America , Rojos South America. Punto Rojo was the Top notch , Elite in Colombia .

Black/Red kinds from highlands are more potent but also more disturbing and health heart beating dangerous, also harder to smoke so i think not surprising that the Gold is more appreciated generally.

Did any Colombians have a copper taste ?

The Black without any doubt! But again and of course rarer well appreciated and worked compared to the Gold. That's also why iam the only one on the scene who had saved and preserved Jim's Swazi Red. Btw i will build and select its most metallic hard Black phenos to offer Swazi Black and cross work with Zambian, Mozambique for THCV future. Paz!

 

[Lugo]

W

Seriously? I’m a deeply ignorant racist because I opine that nobody knows exactly how and when cannabis came to Colombia?

Am I a racist because I said there was no indigenous ganja culture in Colombia? I should have qualified that by saying “compared to Southeast Asia.” If cannabis originated in Asia, where ganja cultures existed thousands of years before Colombia was colonized, how did pre-Columbian Colombians get cannabis from the other side of the planet?

Am I deeply ignorant because I haven’t considered the possibility that Phyllis has been brainwashing us by falsely reporting the presence of Thai genetics in Colombian herb? Or by reading a magazine article in 1977, when journalists actually chased down stories and reported on them?

You owe me an apology

Nachillo did Punto Rojo selections He selected 7 males from 50 . Charlie Garcia used both mountain grown and valley selections in his Punto Rojo work

Charlie used the Best and longer flowering from Tolima and Santa Marta he could collect .

If I recall correct , Funny recently I seen a Latin show on Netflix ( my lady is Colombian) a 60’s show where they talked about punto Rojo being cream of the crop that will take you to the moon and coming from Santa Marta

I don’t have much more specific details in the breeding as nachillo only conversed with me briefly in pm but he shared Red x Gold . It’s from Luiz BSC and Nachillo believed as others do there Colombian Gold wasn’t 100 pure

I picked Charlie’s brain about lumbos long ago . I miss that brother , what a wealth of knowledge. Aside from being a Great guy . Hope you’re well where ever you are

He told me Gold influenced North America , Rojos South America. Punto Rojo was the Top notch , Elite in Colombia . He shared that names were used loosely depending on valleys n locations. He also shared his opinion on the source of these Genetics thought to be African . The effects commonly associated were Euphoric and trippy with no paranoia. Also color varied in Pink /Red /Purple


Curious Question for the OG’s , the lucky ones who smoked the legendary imports

Did any Colombians have a copper taste ?

It does have a drool inducing metalish taste to it yes

 

[Roms]

Recessive is in everything and you can find fruitiness in Black/Red and metal in Gold/Green, i think that's just a question of genetics proportionality depending sources, IBL or openpoll work i mean.

 

[Lugo]

Wow. Way too much BS, lies and general disinformation for me.

You can always tell when someone is BS'ing when they talk, talk, dates, references of all types of useless factoids but can't produce a single flower/plant pic.


My apologies to the real OGs.

A few of the guys need their crayons sharpened



All in good fun don't cry please!