Diary 1st time coco auto DTW & salts on FCE3000

[Sampas92]

End of day 21
I found it!! The formation of a single super small calyx, they are starting to get ready to shoot out, close eye on them!
Fresh mix of salts, raised mg to a ca:mg ratio of 2.5:1, final ec of 1.55 (1.1 salts and .39 tap(this one raised .1 since the start of the grow)) starting it tomorrow to see how they respond, today they got Algamic too at a rate of 1.5ml/l

Super, roots are crazy and dont give 2 fucks for the light wich i set to 60% for tomorrow (im nervous, never in milion years i had the light at this distance at this power with previous grows), she is tucking and training herself alone without me doing shit, new leafs have 9 fingers, maybe i get my first 10 or 11 finger leafs with her

Speed, i have no words to this girl..even if i fucked up a bit with the micros salts in the beginning or too much ec in the coco again in the begining, but all of them got the same.
I know genetics plays a part but i thought she would take off sometime and doesnt seems the case, at least for now. From what i see, the roots look pretty the same to the others, not the Super and those roots out tho. She could grow and get off that algae like the others did

 

[Sampas92]

Skunk, she wants to train herself too, if she doesnt make it ill help her. I thought she would be one of the happiest plants since is a skunk, its always with that sad look, but those leafs get big

Amnesia, she seems the most balanced of them all, not too stretchy or squaty, not too branchy or columnar, i like her alot even if a bit smaller overall

So, after 21 days....about the salts, after a bit of thinking and understanding some logic of some things, its easy. With help behind and hydrobuddy even easier and still i get to fuck up some things, reping the "We Newbin" good . Need to pack the mgso in ziplocks bags tho, that shit its hard as fuck.
At the same timeframe, growth wise and speed is nothing like it to previous grows, they are even maturing slower and later so i guess i will get either bigger or same size of previous plants in biobizz soil in 11l pots where this ones in coco are at a 7l.
I improved the game environmentaly with the humi and in this grow i was able to have the extract always on and maintain the rh, well at least to the limit of the humi, maybe the 4th mist head will help, still missing dehuey tho.

Smell wise they have a much more pungent and healthy green plant smell and as i talk, just rubbing the upper part of the biggest leafs in all of them, i smell the goodness in them , btw Skunk the most pungent sweet smell, the Super gold is a slight sweet very fresh tasty smell, the Amnesia seems fruity, and the Speed i cant quite figure it, by now.

One thing i did wrong, again in the beggining and in all my newbiness and ignorance, consider to fucked up the roots a bit. For now, rudimentaly, i transport them to somewhere else to water them, since day one. That made the Super and Skunk fall and at least the skunk im sure i saw one root getting riped off as she falled, so that may have contributed to some oddyness and bad growth and geting them what i think a bit smaller and less developed overall that they should be, the amnesia didnt fall but suffered too, the speed didnt but doesnt matter, that bitch. For example the set of 3 fingers of the Amnesia was the only one of them all that growed more and "normal" and i think the damaged roots contributed to that.
Btw anyone knows when the limit on 10 pics will go away?
Thats all for the rant, sorry

Peace

 

[f-e]

Making good progress

I put my Epsom salt in a bottle of distilled (dehu or RO) water to dissolve. Then dose it like that. IIRC 75g in 425ml (it's wrote on the bottle) gave me a solution used 1ml per Liter in the tank, to give 15ppm Mg. Which is typical calmag bottle concentration.
You could mix something stronger, but would need to check a solubility chart, to see just how strong you can go. I have a P booster that's so saturated, it can't get much below 5c. These solubility charts tend to list at a theoretical zero, or a more useful 20c. So you can see how strong you can go, at perhaps 10c.

I actually prefer dosing fluids than powders.

 

[Sampas92]

Making good progress

I put my Epsom salt in a bottle of distilled (dehu or RO) water to dissolve. Then dose it like that. IIRC 75g in 425ml (it's wrote on the bottle) gave me a solution used 1ml per Liter in the tank, to give 15ppm Mg. Which is typical calmag bottle concentration.
You could mix something stronger, but would need to check a solubility chart, to see just how strong you can go. I have a P booster that's so saturated, it can't get much below 5c. These solubility charts tend to list at a theoretical zero, or a more useful 20c. So you can see how strong you can go, at perhaps 10c.

I actually prefer dosing fluids than powders.

Thanks @f-e , i feel they should be getting more waterings than the one they get everyday, i feel the coco sucking alot of the humi mist, thats why im thinking on diy some halo rings and statt the automated feeding.

You are saying things that i dont fully understand regarding the temperature and the concentrates and how they are viable or not..
To be honest im going by the salts, didnt made any concentrate yet, but when playing in hydrobuddy i feel i could do it as i please because it gives me the ammounts to use, didnt take the temp in consideration tho, but i think since the temps now are around 28 to 33 it wouldnt be good idea, well, after checking the temps that they hold on yeah, but its another learning curve for a bit later.

Thanks again bro

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

You are saying things that i dont fully understand regarding the temperature and the concentrates and how they are viable or not..

I just now found your new thread,..

I tried to make a concentrate out of a 2 ounce package of CalMag.

The package says it can make 200 gallons of solution.
I thought I would try to make a concentrate using 1 liter of distilled water. It didn't work.

The Calcium Nitrate wouldn't dissolve.
My solution is saturated and can't dissolve any more.

If that bottle got cold, even more Calcium Nitrate would precipitate out of solution and settle on the bottom.

 

[PCBuds]

I actually prefer dosing fluids than powders.

Yeah, me too..
It's faster, easier, and more accurate.

 

[stiff]

6.1 coming out is okay. Don't mess too much with pH going in to chase whats coming out.
For me right now a fresh tank is 5.7-5.8 and will swing up to 6.0 by the next day. Testing run-off I rarely check pH usually for peace of mind or curiosity but as long as its within a reasonable range its fine.

That's it! The more you fuck around with the input pH the more drama you will have. Keep the pH steady and water regularly and just forget about the drains pH. I haven't checked it once in the last two grows and everything was fine.
Dont stress to much, you'll be alright

 

[f-e]

Thanks @f-e , i feel they should be getting more waterings than the one they get everyday, i feel the coco sucking alot of the humi mist, thats why im thinking on diy some halo rings and statt the automated feeding.

You are saying things that i dont fully understand regarding the temperature and the concentrates and how they are viable or not..
To be honest im going by the salts, didnt made any concentrate yet, but when playing in hydrobuddy i feel i could do it as i please because it gives me the ammounts to use, didnt take the temp in consideration tho, but i think since the temps now are around 28 to 33 it wouldnt be good idea, well, after checking the temps that they hold on yeah, but its another learning curve for a bit later.

Thanks again bro

Peace

At zero centigrade, you can dissolve 25.5g of MgSO4 in 100ml of water. Water is a gram a ml. So you would have 125.5g of fluid, that will be close to 125.5ml in size. Though only close as the MgSO4 doesn't weigh the same as water. So 25.5g won't be 25.5ml. Looking at the specific gravity, our 20% solution is about 122ml. So it's within 2%, and as such, I wouldn't get more exact with the proportions. 800ml, 200g. Gives us a bottle of 20% that will freeze before there is any fallout.

Warm that water up a bit, and it can hold more salt. At 10c 100ml can hold 30.4g
Warm that up to 20c and 100ml can hold 35.1g. So you could mix up something at 25% but if the bottle got cool, salt would fall out.

I detailed the 20% solution as it seems easy math and a mix that won't cause problems. 800+200 and fits in a 1L bottle.

Obviously you would be adjusting the app. So where once it might say use a gram, you would be using 5g, which is actually 5ml.

As you are dialing in what you really want, the inaccuracy is irrelevant. Though you could be more exact than I would settle for.

Solubility tables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_table
SG https://www.handymath.com/cgi-bin/mgsulftble.cgi?submit=Entry

You can't water down everything though. Some things will be happy together as powder, but water is a solvent.

 

[Sampas92]

@PCBuds no biggie buds, youre welcome when you want

@stiff thanks bro, your not the 1st or 2nd to tell me that, but what can i do?im a stuborn mf learning and curious with things..sometimes may seem im stressin, but im just curious and my mind travels a bit between the little i know. They all droped to 5.9 at runoff tho, the little speedy one raised to 6.2, go figure, probably want they want, ec's getting closer too..

@f-e thanks bro, the last time i thought about concentrates was by the recipe i had and i divided everything to water down in 5l of distiled water, but i never done it..maybe ill do it now since they are geting more demanding.

Btw guys, any opinions on how they look? Please dont be kind, i want the harsh truth

Peace

 

[NeDank]

What kind of camera do you have? I would love to be able to take close up like that

 

[Sampas92]

Today for the 21 day i decided to take pics at lights on, middle of the day and lights off.
It was interesting, today the tent reached the 29.5c, probably higher at some point of this (last one for now) day, rh never higher then 55~60%, next days will be more pleasent for the little i can control.
Lights on

Middle

Lights off

Meanwhile, looking at older pics i discovered why i have smelly leafs..for the first time in plants that im growing, and in 3 of them, TRICHS(?), dunno what kind, but i think it means that they are or at some point where really happy?

Peace

 

[NeDank]

Looking great man good luck!

 

[Sampas92]

What kind of camera do you have? I would love to be able to take close up like that

Samsung S10, not e not plus, the regular one, sorry if i disapointed you it obviously have its limitations, but it take good pics..
Turn the lights off from the place where you are and let your eyes adjust for a moment to the darkness...look, you can see the stars (2 hours ago, wideview, middle of the light city at night in a shadow, i want to go to an island a pic the sky)

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

"All" of them have their lower branches saying fuck you to the fan leafs and shooting up, they are geting wider touching and not even shown sex.

The pots have that feel of being full of roots, at least the Super needs more coco since it seems this one its not enough since they still sticking out top and bottom and the plates are dry as they can be, i guess thats why they keep drying in the bottom when they are out.

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Peace

 

[.............]

Do you have air movement moving the leaves?

Try the PPFD app and you can give them the right amount of light. Without co2 there is no point going above 800ppfd.

What is your VPD? this guide from the bro @exploziv

 

[Sampas92]

Do you have air movement moving the leaves?

Try the PPFD app and you can give them the right amount of light. Without co2 there is no point going above 800ppfd.
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What is your VPD? this guide from the bro @exploziv View attachment 18716404

Thanks Mr. Dots
Actually i didnt used the app yet on this grow, later ill try to see what im getting, but im going by what they tell me, when i see them pointing to the middle of the light i increase its power a notch.

I know that chart , usually i aim to 24c and a rh of 65~70%, but its not 100% accurate to be honest but yes, clip on fan always moving air around, extract always on and the humi always on when needed, and since my lights makes the grow at 26 i aim to around 70~75%

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

I have Aloe plants growing right next to my door, anyone knows how to mix the gel in the water to foliar the girls?

Day 23 and they look a bit better than yesterday, temp at 26 because of the light and rh at 60~65, later i think ill add the 4th mist head to see if it improves..i think im closer of what they want even if they dont look 100% happy

Btw, without organic matter, no biofilm, no precipitation at mixing the salts, no light, anyone knows why the res gets cloudy in less than 48h? For example i was bubbling and i disconect the bubble for 8h, in that time it got cloudy, without the stone inside of it. No smell, no particles floating or in the bottom. The ec didnt budge, the ph yes but its normal, could it be that chinesium air stone or even the hose? The res before this mix was cleaned with peroxide and well rinsed..
Either is something im missing or i dunno..
Im going to replace the hose and no stone to eliminate those 2 variables..besides something in the air, anyone considers anything?



Peace

 

[.............]

Thanks Mr. Dots
Actually i didnt used the app yet on this grow, later ill try to see what im getting, but im going by what they tell me, when i see them pointing to the middle of the light i increase its power a notch.

Peace

Ah ok. I saw a video the other day and the advice was the same, increase light when the leaves point up. When I checked this theory with the light meter it's untrue. A plant can point up whether there's too much light, not enough or just right.. its not an accurate indication.

Girls are looking great

 

[Sampas92]

Ah ok. I saw a video the other day and the advice was the same, increase light when the leaves point up. When I checked this theory with the light meter it's untrue. A plant can point up whether there's too much light, not enough or just right.. its not an accurate indication.

Girls are looking great

Not pointing up like praying Mr. Dots, pointing to the center of the light where the output is higher

A bit like hps being a single scource. Since these are leds and more uniform, i was thinking that when they point to the center, they wanted a bit more light.

But thanks on the heads up, i will test the app today to see how its going

Peace