Pure Thai Sativas

[herbgreen]

Anyone growing the Chiang Mai from Dubi ?

 

[MAHA KALA]

Quite recently some guy (who has since got banned) posted buds of "Chocolate Thai" with an 8 hour high: https://www.icmag.com/forum/marijuana-growing/cannabis-hash-smoke-reports/18018618-chocalate-thai

Who knows, maybe it really is still around?

Chocolate Thai was mentioned in DJ Short's articles Strains of Yesteryear and General Irregularities/Anomalies of Cannabis Relating to Transgressive Segregation, and the Cypress Hill song Funk Freakers. DJ's articles can be found here: https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-v...t-and-legends-seeds/133421-dj-s-articles-info

chocolate thai is a little bit different story than thai stick. its effect is not scary. it is dreamy. hybrids are still around. I have one. I know about 8 hours high, not that I would read it, but I know it from my experience from thai hybrids. hybrids are great. nevertheless "pure" has more price for breeding.

I read dj short article many times. also I know that song very well some kind of chocolate thai was around till early 90s, yes. even flying dutchman sold pack of "pure thai" and it was chocolate one. also Billy Goat sold thai which puts out chocolate thai phenos. Roms found chocolate pheno in RSC Red Thai...

it is still around in some form, but it seems that it is not case of thai stick aka golden thai.

 

[MAHA KALA]

However, it may or may not be the Lights and the unnative enviroment that changes Thai to modern Thain..
Doesent make sense if you believe Sam Skunkman who says in Thailand itselve it changed.. right?



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I didn't write anything like that. but environment plays big role to get it to full potential...

 

[harvestreaper]

las two rsc mango thai collected from laos

 

[Thule]

well Thule, right in this thread, there are guys who grew todays genetics and say it is nice. sharp motivating is nice for sure. and warm happy up high is nice too.

but if you read this thread from beginning you can read that few guys(included mr. skunkman) stated that quality went down, mainly thanks to US Army and DEA actions in the area...

sharp motivating is not that characteristics you can read about thais from 70s, it is more super potent 8 hours high. racy cold sweat nervous scary, hot flushes, high coming in waves, roller coaster and psychedelic. some reported even narcotic.

I know that it is stable only in its native environment and you grew it under artificial lights, so it is not super potent, but that characteristics should be there.

I am personally reluctant to grow 30 females - they can be really big - for like 20 weeks +, then curing it like 6 months - tons of work and to find only nice uplifting warm happy high.

some say you need like 50 females to find that psychedelic weed, but what I see reports of chang mai thai, red thai or mango thai, is that it is nice mild smoke. so I am interested in hearing if somebody found that scary cold 8 hours high one.

for example Kanga found one strong one in 20 females of GN thai stick. but said, that first it is nice happy active and needs curing to be strong trippy long lasting. so I know it is there in GN thai stick.

I get your point. The old Thai sounds magical in comparison. I tend to take those stories with a grain of salt though. I was tripping balls smoking leaves in my twenties. I will never get close to those sensations again. I can't start chasing some other guys experience from a time long gone. I wouldn't know if I found it.

If we're talking raw potency, quality and duration of the high, I'm not sure I'd even like what they're describing. I have a hard time smoking hybrids and even hazes freak me out easily. My point is that from a genetic standpoint, the Thai lives on in strains like Chiang Mai and Mekong Haze. I think they're gnetically very similar if you dice them up and look.

The difference comes down to selection imo. Thailand is now legalising so maybe we'll see the birth of a new Thaistick?

If I recall they tested the best Thaistick to have almost up to 20% THC in the seventies.(Somebody correct me I don't remember) It was probably a lot lower than that most of the time. Thai Chiang Mai tested 8% I think? Some of the RSC Manipur and Kerala have tested above 15% THC, yet they don't have the same reputation as Thai. Why is that? These people don't have the same restrictions as Thai people do and they were able to keep breeding for quality. Why was the Thai still superior? They have similar THC levels but they won't fuck you up equally.

Maybe it's a combination of factors but it seems obvious to me THC levels aren't the main cause. Thai weed also has CBG which can account for the longer duration of the high. But what about fermentation? Maybe fermentation techniques changed as well? I remember Laos weed as being mostly green a few years back. It freaked me out too.

Not this Viet-Lao x Nepal Annapurna that I started the day with It's almost black by nature. It makes me ramble and I love it. This purple highland strain (actually from the Laotian side, not Vietnam) is quite potent too. Hybridization with it bumped up the potency of my Annapurna Nepalese from 5 to 7 on the sativa scale. It's my favourite landrace sativa, ever.

I guess that's my main point. The purple stuff you can still find in Laos and/or Vietnam, Myanmar can still contain world class weed but it's getting rarer.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I can confirm. that 8 hours super strong buzz is something I didn't enjoy. too strong and too long LOL and with hangover too... like I said it is in hybrids. but pure stuff like that should be preserved too imo for its uniqueness.

sure it would be mistake to reduce all thai sativas only to this kind of golden thai and say all others are junk, because they are not so strong... it is not my goal. I was just curious if anybody got it in recently picked seeds. I think that if you get, it is unmistakable.

there are a lot of distributors of south asian genetics and because I noticed that for example Zomia operates with term "thai stick" a lot in their descriptions...

pic of gn thai stick flowers from mr. Dave Coulier

 

[romanoweed]

I was tripping balls smoking leaves in my twenties. I will never get close to those sensations again. I can't start chasing some other guys experience from a time long gone. I wouldn't know if I found it.

If we're talking raw potency, quality and duration of the high, I'm not sure I'd even like what they're describing.

Yes, i was tripping as a teen, strangely it never happend on the 1000 hybrids i smoked.. strange.. Not even close to tripping on hybrids..

I get your Point, and you may or may not be right.
The point is, the Thai i smoked was so intensely apperant.. it was the most obvois, apperant smoke i ever had.. I know i know of your brutal SativaleaningHabrid.. I had that too..Rarely it reached brutal levels, but i had that TOO..
Imho the Thai was no question on the exact same level. it was just the same.. with the difference that Thai was like an Electric shock, imeediatly fast static fierce Energy, whera the brutal hybrid was , well more brutality.. made me like shocked, scared, not telling everyone, hoping i survive it..

The Thai had this presence, that intensity, but it was more a sensation that deeply lingers in my Memory.. It manifested. it wasnt pointless beein scared, crying for Mama like the hybrid.. it was a static fierce Energy so apperant it was my most intense drugexperience ever..

but everone is different, but i bet, alot peoples would refuse to smoke it again, cause its ON. 3 , 2 1 and GO .

We had some discussions about individual reactions of certain type persons. and THIS would be true.. you wouldnt trip if youre a certain type person , BUT you would pretty shure feel this present obvious intensity, non the less.. if you try so hard tho, you could probably smoke tonns of CBD before and it would infact nomore hit you so hard, ok... probably you might manage.
Actually that is a valid point. BUT it doesent change that SOME people tripped balls under certain circumstances , and it was on SE Asian pot, of corse..

I really felt that cbd tee that i drink during day kills the trip enormously.. and thats just a hemp-tee, not breed for cbd.. one cup, no fat added, and the trip is 75 percent gone. My biggest tip what to watch out for

If you want this 80s Potency get yourselve a vietblack.. this one can after a higher dose.. I did spacecakes, normal dosage, its pretty raw power. (just a tip for the aviable lines, Thai was stronger, unbeatable in obviousity but VB can teach you a bit about power)

 

[romanoweed]

Thai Chiang Mai tested 8% I think? Some of the RSC Manipur and Kerala have tested above 15% THC, yet they don't have the same reputation as Thai. Why is that? These people don't have the same restrictions as Thai people do and they were able to keep breeding for quality. Why was the Thai still superior?

imho alot mixups, and strange implications (not to sound rude) .
Because One Line, the Chian Mai isnt just "THE Thai". Its one line..

First of all forget thcmeasurements.. or if you want take a secound thcmeasurement that was done from one of the few Thais remaining in some private collectors treasure chests..

Just forget about it, and watch what old Icmagers once in a millenia write somewhere in a Thread . And dont just assume its not applicable. Its not applicable vor every single Brain in therms of Hallucinogenic Trippy effects, but its applicable for intensity.. You would, i pretty much bet trip on 70s Thai.. And imho the Gypsy thai looks more like a 90s Thai,. it was never verified as clearly a70s thai.. so you bsaically compare Manipuri smoke reports against Tripreports that YOU didnt read,, but if you search as much as i you would read it.

Sorry to come off so , dontknow..

You just compare dozens reports, and this counts what people tell, agains no-read reports, let you wind up with strange measurements that mean nothing.. not in the way that you listed it.. its not just thc, didnt wehave this duscussion already... So what stays are the tripreports and they are real, jesus i had the same identical experiences as veterans flying, seeing intense colors, shape, things in the shades.. dont justify it down to laughability, cause im seemingly the only single person to still defen these reports as total true.. and the Intensity is true for basically all of us.. you would just get a feeling of pressure, electricity too, im shure. just this intensity.. i start to experience this energy, i see it transform into THINGS.. trust me im not proling, i want truth.. sadly i have nobody really defending that stuff over and over again.. im bit tired of it.

summ it up: 70s Thai wasnt weak, for nobody.. (unless in some ohenos probably, and cooked for 4 months in ships probably)

HEMPY can you pelase help me, make a smokereport again.. your thai is atleast pretty close to realdeal.. Gooeybreeder grows a black thai aswell right now.. listen to his report on insta ..and he is prett much heavyweight smoker.. he told me ooh oooh oohhh, powerfull.. to few out there, simple as that

 

[romanoweed]

and manipuri or whatever you mentioned.. well did it make people hallucinate? fly?, yes lift of...or stronger effects even? if no, then its not as strong as thai.. so where is the higher intensity then?

and again, what means tripping to you? for me Tripping means HALLUCINATING, SEEING THINGS WITH EYES, FLYING, OR STATES STRONGER THAN THAT.. this is reported on icamg, if you waste 6 years to find them, like me, they are here.. tripweedthread i recall, reviala of ultimate sativa.. Other forums, they are there, and they are true.. why is it battled always.. its so i dunno..
Its just sounding too good to be true. period.. Thats why its talked down.. with it you talk dow the most magical substance that i ever experienced.. not cause youre bad, but cause i dont know cause why..
Trust me, or dont, but if you talk it down , i may fight back by informing you.. question it,, but dont eccagurate the questioning so to make it look like all fairtytales..

All good. just a bit of fresh breeze here.. tyrening as fuck, but fresh wind

 

[Thule]

Nowhere did I say Thai weed was weak. I would give a months salary for just a couple of 70's Thai seeds. I even went on to speculate what it might have been that made it so strong. I wrote down the THC percents for reference. We have equally high THC percenratages in todays landraces, yet there are very few trip stories. What makes the difference?

You're making assumptions on what I've read and haven't read. You're a relatively new member here so you're probably not familiar with my history on this forum. I obsess over this stuff. Landraces, sativas, Thais... I've read every single Thai related thread on this forum many times over and I've dowloaded all the Thai pictures I could find. I know what a Thai looks like. During all this time only Gypsie's Thaistick sativa and Chiang Mai have piqued my interest. Out of the two Thaistick had much wider leaves which is why I (stupidly?) turned it down. Now I know most strains from the region start out this way. I do still have my suspicions on it's purity and I do have those doubts about every landrace from the 2000's onward. When I look at Chiang Mai Thai pictures there is no doubt. If it's not a pure fucking Thai, nothing is. Phylos agrees. It comes out looking identical to 70's Thaistick. You might not trust the results but they did sequence the stuff, and the Thais do cluster close to each other.

What I was trying to imply, is that in better circumstances it might be possible to breed Thai cannabis back to it's former glory if enough of the genepool was preserved. I know SamS and RCC have the seeds. If they're viable, I don't know, but embryo resque technologies are getting better all the time. We probably will be able to grow out those 70's Thaistick seeds one day.

That said, I'm not convinced they would automatically grow into that tripweed you're describing. I'm implying there are other factors than genetics at play. I suggested fermentation techniques. Obviously climate. They were never able to replicate the results growing outdoors in the US. The Aussies might have gotten close? As an indoor grower who lives in the subarctic those trip stories from 50 years back from a world that doesn't exist anymore have little relevance. There are too many variables at play.

What do YOU think made Thai so special?

imho alot mixups, and strange implications (not to sound rude) .
Because One Line, the Chian Mai isnt just "THE Thai". Its one line..

First of all forget thcmeasurements.. or if you want take a secound thcmeasurement that was done from one of the few Thais remaining in some private collectors treasure chests..

Just forget about it, and watch what old Icmagers once in a millenia write somewhere in a Thread . And dont just assume its not applicable. Its not applicable vor every single Brain in therms of Hallucinogenic Trippy effects, but its applicable for intensity.. You would, i pretty much bet trip on 70s Thai.. And imho the Gypsy thai looks more like a 90s Thai,. it was never verified as clearly a70s thai.. so you bsaically compare Manipuri smoke reports against Tripreports that YOU didnt read,, but if you search as much as i you would read it.

Sorry to come off so , dontknow..

You just compare dozens reports, and this counts what people tell, agains no-read reports, let you wind up with strange measurements that mean nothing.. not in the way that you listed it.. its not just thc, didnt wehave this duscussion already... So what stays are the tripreports and they are real, jesus i had the same identical experiences as veterans flying, seeing intense colors, shape, things in the shades.. dont justify it down to laughability, cause im seemingly the only single person to still defen these reports as total true.. and the Intensity is true for basically all of us.. you would just get a feeling of pressure, electricity too, im shure. just this intensity.. i start to experience this energy, i see it transform into THINGS.. trust me im not proling, i want truth.. sadly i have nobody really defending that stuff over and over again.. im bit tired of it.

summ it up: 70s Thai wasnt weak, for nobody.. (unless in some ohenos probably, and cooked for 4 months in ships probably)

HEMPY can you pelase help me, make a smokereport again.. your thai is atleast pretty close to realdeal.. Gooeybreeder grows a black thai aswell right now.. listen to his report on insta ..and he is prett much heavyweight smoker.. he told me ooh oooh oohhh, powerfull.. to few out there, simple as that

 

[romanoweed]

thank you, sounds much better..
Hey we talked alot over landraces i havnt forgotten you are more interested than any other out there.. But i am too.. (you took the time to look how long im registered, yes, the 4 Years i wasnt registered, i was etablishing UNREGISTERED wich Landrace is what, after my lifechanging experience i KNEW pretty fast that i cant just take a pretty trippy pure Haze, i cant.. so 4 Years prior to that i was hunting.. not smoking a single joint, working constantly, never went out a single night since 6 years, never. im a worker type, im creative type, i go the lonle route where im not shure if it will be a waste, and i wont get my goal. so.. we are bouth great researchers...not only you not only me.. i opened 4 threads about how to preserve landraces, i pmad biologists to get their verdict, i wanna know, not chat)

Now . Yes the fatter leave in the 80s thai is in the right context different.. but it wasnt weaker than manipuri, or less quality imho..

Its just the exeption from my statement that all landraces , pretty much without expetion are different today than in the 70s.. they all are worse.. not saying they are shit, but just about ok..

So, and yes you find the 80s thai wich you actually rightfully asked me, if it degenerated faster.. Well the reason you ask that is beacuse it has fat leaves ight.. Imho thats not necessarly.

People said that 80s thai was just a bit less good and kind of made the step from beeing "THE KING" to beeing "preety good"..
What happend i cant say, but it sometimes reminds me of mexico..

However, people imho alwas by default call it hybredized.. Im not shure, its just a possibility.. Could also bee that under the erradication efforts, the people just grew the most fatleaved stuff.

But back to ma overall idea: landraces are worse today,... So after the Thai got this fatleaved 80s apperance, this overall idea of degradation can be applied.. it actually became tmore thinleaved again thowards the 90s 2000s..


Sorry, this was a bit ruff conversation.. Also MAhla claiming the Gypsy Thai"stick" to be from the 70s.. it sounded all like the same old doubtery .. lol.. Watch his thaistick pics and watch "my" pics.. LOL wich looks better. ? its a great indicater that something changed around the world..

I think the 80s thai was just more fatleaved, thats it.. I smoke Haoabc x VB and the Landscape starts to look like a painting.. yes a 13 weeker fatleaved Vietnamese doess this.. Imho its not fair like people imply "strong hybridisation , and strong degradation " in 80s thai, just because leavesize.. I would call it a straight line of degradation,

Its just sad..

Yes the ACE sCHIAN MAI is a "pretty good" "pretty cool" Thai. thats my rating. without smoking, just because i allow me a prediction. lol, but no claim
you could aswell bought hoabac, it gets a similar rating. And astoundingly years after i postulated to buy the hoabac, nobody did, surprisingly snowhigh then bought it too, and sells it..

Im just a bit sick. that i have found conclusions that i more often than not get so few agreement.. but later the "adaption" i postulated was lately shown in a scientific paper to be suspected.. i recall in the haze thred..

So, again, you can happily just draw a straight line of degradation fro the 70s on thowards now,,, landraces become worse and worse.. and worse.. not to the point they are bad, and you might be one of the thoust lucky ones that sill finds an exeption, but its rare, i stick to this..

 

[romanoweed]

go to my (the 4th already) preservation thread on overg.... called "Genomics of landraces" . there you find my most precise on point thread about all my conclusions i make about how Landraces were breed, and how we should breed/preserve them .

Im pretty confident that you simply cant breed modern LAndraces back to glory in a small setup in reasonable time, well thats a big guess.. Much more you should prepare to preserve Landraces PROPPERLY that are still good, incase the real 70s Thai comes out..

AS raw, and hard work this is.. this is what i would advise, nothing else.. the most heavy part is to imitate equatorial climate.. thats all.. and this is hard work.. so that way your selection /preservation wont be influenced.. again, im talked down for strict anwsers all the time.. so, ride on.. (oh there is no such thing as enviromental influence, ride on.. bet thats next anwser WITHOUT ANY PROPPER EVIDENCE TO BACK THE DOUBT UP.. hahah).

I am for feauturing adult , intelligent , workers that wanna save Landraces.. and some conclusions are just more like a nice chat.. i cant accept it forever.. because obvoiusly (for the intelligent hard reserchers) its hard to even keep a 70s thai alive.. so i dont care what happend in the 80s thai, i dont care what happend to modern landraces really.. Most importently i care for people not talking down the strongest weed experience (wich you did again, i think you said cause the reports are from older icmag post they dont count) .. i care for that, cause im more a hard worker. than a chatter.. i have intentions.. And the intensions are that 70s Thay STAYS alive forever.. .


So, again: yes the old Hippies reports (i mean the ones that are very particullar like "i hallucinatd" ... shure they are real, for me its like looking into a mirror telling my own stories.. i get tho that you cant just believe things.. but well, i claim they are real) and yes degradation will happen in outr growrooms.. if we dont learn how to preserve.. im very convinced, but in the end NOTHING ABOVE IS A CLAIM.

 

[romanoweed]

a last check if you are as paaionated as me (well its a bit ironic, or not serious)

I told people like a dozen times i have a thai68 link.. from a shady site.. I offer this link to anyone that i remeber as interested passionated guy.. And still nobody writes me.. or they write me and pass on it.. sorry to say, but most arent passionated.. im bizzy with dozen other things, im super broke down to cents.. but yeah, if anyone is passionated and has 100d left for a gamble,.. i did the hunt for you.. hilarious.. people arent willing to even do a 100 dollar gamble. hell i payed snowhing 1000 dollar for 10 vietblack when they were a freebie for a 1000 dollar purchase.. 2 years ago, when nobody had it yet- thats the level im playing on.. its sickening to hear these chats sometimes.. nobody cares, or atleast a few.. but not on a level.. thats my impression.. (this comment is half ironic , half my impression.. caus eyou may just be as broke as me..).

If anyone did reserch like me, he would probably write me, im just a bit awstruck there.. a bit lost of words. or you think i lead you into a trap.. no its a normal site where peoples bought and showed seeds from this vendor.. i dont know whats going on here sometimes ..

thai68 thai 68, relieve.. any interest at all? no, shure not.. keeps growing 2020 thai.. haha , that dozen others have grown before me.. haha,, i will find the special pheno.. its just that landraces have few good phenos, no tis the light, no its the cobcuring, no its the.. thats not logic to pass on my offer for help.. or do i sound so stupid? i think i doo. i write very long.. makes a unclean impression or so.. i dont know.. then you probably never worked as hard to understand this type of apperance.. anyway. well good luck then

i predict that one will be as good or a tad better than chiang mai.. but all your choice..(this post isnt adressed to people that already play around with older thai and rejected)

 

[romanoweed]

i have a very good mexican resurrecton proect.. well in theory.. i have no money, but the links.. very few response from the people i wrote and told them this is it,, this was approved by a longtime hontuer of mexicanss. the response is small.. but really i am happy, just say.. not soooo much effort to even write me back from many peoples.. or kindof.. i dont now.. man- so yeah. i have a mexican that could be reproduced.. costs you 200 dollar.. but will be the best.. it will trip you, thats my feeling, and that was what a longtime hunter told me.. im out of breath. ih ave other oprojects.
you have seen all my vietblacks outdoors.. im not a fake.. but anyway.. let it go then i gues. write me if you want to preserve the old mexican and thai of good degree.

 

[Thule]

Outdoors is key imo. And numbers. If one had enough plants he could find several "70's style Thais" equal to the lone plant found by Kangativa. Then year after year keep selecting for the trip weed phenotype until you have that trait locked in.

Most people born after the seventies don't have a reference to that specific high. Nothing to compare to so it's not really what I'm after either.

I tend to prefer euphorizing and clear sativas. You are completely submerged into your thoughts a lot of the time but at the same time able to function and get stuff done. Or just lie still and day dream if you like. Exactly what I'm getting in my Laos x Nepal. Daytine smoke. Not debilitating like haze hybrids.

I'm not sure the Thai people are describing would be considwred daytime smoke.

 

[Thule]

I looked up this Double Thai smoke report by PTG. The dreamyness is a trait I associate with some of these SE Asian sativas. I really like that in a smoke.

https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-ve...ble-thai/page7

 

[romanoweed]

Most people born after the seventies don't have a reference to that specific high. Nothing to compare to so it's not really what I'm after either.

sorr buddy, you are making speculations.. you say, in order to truthfully have hallucinations you need to smoke something else.. imho thats strange..
What if they had no refeerence but hallucinated.. Is that a possibility.. anwser me that.. for me you sond not logically. Thats of corse my oppinion..

And there , again, i reserached more than most people out ther. there are people who smoked everything else, they smoked vietnamese and other SE aSains.. AND they report hallucinations.. You just didnt read those.. Again again again, everything already said.. people are bewildered if someone "seems to know so much more".. thats the corner they put me in .. rightfully so, critical questioning everyone right.. But its not fair to only put it into this corner.. and thats what you postulate.. I am so intelligent and put it also in "its a possiblity to be full truth" corner. does this make sense.. hahah h lol i dunno

So, thats imho what people should do, instead of again and again and again only question it, dont give it any credit.. make anote in the notebook, "possible hallucinogenic weeds in old genetics from equator". thats all you gotta do.. there it can stay till it turned out more or less Reality.. till then you leave it there.. not just trow it into garbage can, thanky
In one sentence: for you its neither just true, neither just untrue.. its simply a possibility. right? A possibility among thousand other possibilities.. right?
Icmag is one of the forums that has these reports,, and any day in the future, including right now these reports may help keep OLD thai alive. its just ruff to get it talked doen.. cause yes, 70s thai was grown in europe in 2000 still and i smoked it.. it hurts a bit to hear your conclusion "untrue". thats ruff

 

[romanoweed]

and there was one meber that 2 years ago told you he flyed to space.. written by an oldschool member. yes,, to space ,after smoking a australian heirloom.. so where is the peoples-had-no-comparison--
The anwser: you havent read that report, or have forgotten it, here on icmag. but i have read it.pm`d him.. i havent overseen it.. neither have i cherry picked, it is what it is, specaulate about it to the degree you want or not..
So, please stay neutral, no early judgments please.. Thats one you could re-check would you have read it.. i have other people with comparisons, thats just one you could have seen.. but no mentioning from your side..

Excuse all my bad english and shitty written, and for talking so much.

 

[romanoweed]

And her is even some evidence that Cannabis is a Hallucinogenic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/microdosing...apeutics_high/

The 5-HT2a receptor is the same that Lsd Mushrooms and basically all famous hallucinogenes exite, and hence give you their effects..

This Receptor is sometimes reffered to as "the hallucinogenic receptor".if it gets exited, hallucinatios are one of the effects associated with it.

 

[Thule]

You're not understanding me. I'm too young to have experienced that oldschool high. I don't REALLY know what we're talking about. I have no experience to draw from, no reference. It's just an abstract thing I read on the internet. Catch my drift?