The Haze discussion thread

[CannaT]

Dude which planet do you live on....im not on about knock out high...that ko's you out....you make it more and more and more obvious that you have never come across some of the stuff....you are obviously the serious fake....coming out with nonsense like you smoked FH haze...like a pine cone you say(exactly like your alter ego Chicago g..the one who was saying only he has the true haze that no one else not even sam has).dudet the pine sandlewood was the original hazeC....i dont even know were these fruty tones come from...probably inbreeding...im on about something completely different on you come out with a pure indica vibe.....dude stop lying all the time.......did you ever smoke the cheeba.
Who got haze made in the usa...only nevil....who got haze open polinated multiple times ...evrone else in Holland....fact...get over it....you go round and round in circles...stop smoking hemp its no good for you..its messing you up
If it was just nl why was the rest of the lines were haze had been put to other stuff so good....im on about a effect like you can get from the mullum, or the cheeba or the pre 80 hardcore thais and you come out with something completely on the total other end of the spectrum....nevil didnt even put the nevils haze out publicly till 1997 wen arjan was promoting sativas even though it had been made afew ways as far back as 1987....why...because it was a impractical sativa...nothing like nl or it would have been sold earlier..

Dude I dont care about Cheeba you asked question why is Nevile Haze to strong. I told you my opinion that it is cuz of NL in it.

Og kush,Bubba kush,shiva skunk,and NL5xhaze and Nevile Haze all have NL5 in them AND IT IS FACT !!!.
And i said that NL on some pheno's is devastating smoke. And it is.
Why so you think why Nevile chose NL in every devastating strain he made ??? G13XNL,SK1XNL,HAZEXNL....
Bcs NL is fruty and happy indica ???
In fact NL is so strong that in very haze phenos you can feel it.

Im not Chicago G and FH I never smoke.It is older than me man.
As i said i start growing before 13 years,my first seeds i sprouted in my life from Dutch origins are Dutch passion color pack when it come out. Mazar blueberry and orange bud seeds were colored and i didnt stop grow since then and i grow alot verious setups and rooms.

But as you represent your self as some very wise and cannaseur smoker it is strange that you didnt smoke NL.
Exactly what you say devastating tough provoking paranoic high it is extacly this,expecialy on phenos that smell on ''leather coffe'' aka NL1 and acrid afghan (Chem like) others phenos smell like haribo bears are most i like in that line very relaxing but at same time very chilled and postive and those are most thai phenos.
Also Bubba kush and many other NL crosses have that kind of high.

Please let me alone,and if you ask question i just answering to you.
If you dont like my answer it is your problem not mine.

But afghanis strains or indicas are tend to have introspection that dark one paranoid.

Haze or sativa never made me do it.
It is always happy and just like im one with all world so happy so full of happines. I recive some feeling and toughts in my brain that made me happy im talkative like to dance,share happines hugh and kiss....that is what you get with pure sativa or haze.

Devastating strong and haeavy feeling comes from BLD's...If pure sativas like original haze and others have those kind of feelings people will grow them.
But today in world BLD's are dominating cuz most like you love that narcotic,dark introspective and paranoid high.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Ok so now another question....alot of people say nevils haze is too dark and too strong for daily use....it takes alot of people into a bad place....now from my opinion I would say....ok those people are used to using 1-2 gram in a splif with no tobacco....when you do that with the original nevils ofcorse its not going to be pleasant or its going to take you to a dark place or be too strong to even smoke properly..use alot less and it will be alot more managable....I have no problem admitting I use tobacco in my spliff....with the good phenos of nevils haze I found even though I had tobacco I would still have to put in less than I would put in of other bud otherwise it would be difficult to smoke and kill your throat too much. But I know I could never put into the spliff the same amount as other bud due to the power of the nevils being on another level....or I could just get a more diluted version and stick to putting my normal amont in...which in my opinion would be pretty silly as id just end up paying more and using more wen I know I can just use smaller amounts of the nevils to get alot more comparable and pleasant effect.
Then we look at this....is that effect and power from the northern lites....because I dont know of any northern lights that hits as hard as that and plays with your head like that.. anyone else get that from any northern lites ?...that effect and power is coming from the original first generation haze lines....if anything at best in the more nl leaning phenos of the nevils the nl is subtly keeping you from totaly going into the throws of maddness and helps calm you down after the initial freakyness.

Pure vs tobacco mix can't be compared. The high is so different. You get much more stoned when you mix weed with tobacco then when you smoke pure or vaporize, where the effect is much clearer and longer lasting. Much more psychedelic too. Made the test on few friends. We were on an event. Forced them to smoke pure PanoHaze, as they had nothing to smoke. They later have reported, they got rarely so much high and never partied so long with weed. I would even add, as I know them very well, that they have not partied that long since 2 decades.

The NL making the effect of pure Haze more managable in my opinion is wrong. Makes it less clear, less energetic, but more racy. What you say might be right when you use Northern Lights on a fast flowering OH with potent energtic speedy effect. But that's not what has been used by Nevil. The devastating potency of NH from my point of view, did not come from the pure Haze, nor from the NL. But from the work Nevil did on NLHzA to find the A5 cut used in the NH. The potency did not come from doubling up the Haze. When you have smoked the real A5 cut and the very first NH cupwinners, you know it comes from the A5.

Then at least for me, C5 or HazeC hybrids were not as devastating. Also the smoke less dense. How do you guys explain the difference to A5 if it's only NL or the generation of the Haze line that matters?

HazeA is not only legend because got lost earlier. But because much better than HazeC. Better breeder too. Also over more generations it seems. Or not? So why should a second generation HazeA type of pure Haze have been so much worse than the first generation HazeC?

 

[CannaT]

Pure vs tobacco mix. Can't be compared. The high is to much different. You get much more stoned when you mix weed with tobacco then when you smoke pure or vaporize, where the effect is much clearer and longer lasting. Much more psychedelic too. Made the test on few friends. We were on an event. Forced them to smoke pure PanoHaze, as they had nothing to smoke. They later have reported, they got rarely so much high and never partied so long with weed. I would even add, as I know them very well, that they have not partied that long since 2 decades.

The NL making the effect of pure Haze more managable in my opinion is wrong. Makes it less clear, less energetic, but more racy. What you say might be right when you use Northern Lights on a fast flowering OH with potent energtic speedy effect. But that's not what has been used by Nevil. The devastating potency of NH from my point of view, did not come from the pure Haze, nor from the NL. But from the work Nevil did on NLHzA to find the A5 cut used in the NH. The potency did not come from doubling up the Haze. When you have smoked the real A5 cut and the very first NH cupwinners, you know it comes from the A5.

Then at least for me, C5 or HazeC hybrids were not as devastating. Also the smoke less dense. How do you guys explain the difference to A5 if it's only NL or the generation of the Haze line that matters?

HazeA is not only legend because got lost earlier. But because much better than HazeC. Better breeder too. Also over more generations it seems. Or not? So why should a second generation HazeA type of pure Haze have been so much worse than the first generation HazeC?

Hi,JC my think of A5 is very controversial but im not saying that it is truth. It is just my opinion.

I think when comparing A5 and C5 that A5 in fact is ''Indica Haze'' while C5 is ''Haze indica''.
Both are hybrid but C5 is more Haze dominant while A5 is NL1 packed in haze expressed cultivar.

While growing some strains like Headbanger for example i get cultivars that look like OG and smell like SD and vice versa.

So in my eyes A5 is NL1 dominant but in haze looking plant.
So thats why smell on leather,metalic pepper onions...these smells are comon in bubba kush and old school broad leaf afghans.

while C5 is more brihter and smell more of Hazy thai choco...

Im not saying that it is truth but its my look on this cuts.

But it is very hard to identify what parrents passed on progeny.

Here is bud of peppery sweet pine pheno of sensi's NL and it reminds me of NL5xhaze ''A''.

A5 buds.

On smell taste look and high ,A5 for me it is NL dominant haze looking plant.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

I used to buy the A5 for 10 years at least, from mid 90s to the 2000s and it always had the same look. Like grown by the same grower under the same environment all the time. Never sold uncured. And looked similar to this PanoHaze bud. Only that it was sligtly more silverish or white. But just a little. Always deep green. Zero bag appeal comapred to the other Hazes of the time, compared to c5 too. And one of the only cuts/strains sold in coffeeshops that remained unchanged over a period of time of more than 10 years (Same for C5 and hph). And the only stuff that had the devastating potency of the very best NH's was A5. Not HPH or C5. Will even add that HPH was much frostier. Mexican Haze too forstier, and did not really look more sativa than A5, but had a nice sativa high. Potent but no chouchlock. I can remember the afternoons in the Club69 shop known for its MexHaz like it was yesterday. Was not the same experience then in the others shops selling A5 or NH all sticked in their couches fearing to stand up. Or falling from their chairs when there were no couches. The NL's and everything else were kiddi weed compared to that. Only Original Haze had that strength. But disappreared quickly after the invasion of the Haze hybrids.

 

[CannaT]

I used to buy the A5 for 10 years at least, from mid 90s to the 2000s and it always had the same look. Like grown by the same grower under the same environment all the time. Never sold uncured. And looked similar to this PanoHaze bud. Only that it was sligtly more silverish or white. But just a little. Always deep green. Zero bag appeal comapred to the other Hazes of the time, compared to c5 too. And one of the only cuts/strains sold in coffeeshops that remained unchanged over a period of time of more than 10 years (Same for C5 and hph). And the only stuff that had the devastating potency of the very best NH's was A5. Not HPH or C5. Will even add that HPH was much frostier. Mexican Haze too forstier, and did not really look more sativa than A5, but had a nice sativa high. Potent but no chouchlock. I can remember the afternoons in the Club69 shop known for its MexHaz like it was yesterday. Was not the same experience then in the others shops selling A5 or NH all sticked in their couches fearing to stand up. Or falling from their chairs when there were no couches. The NL's and everything else were kiddi weed compared to that. Only Original Haze had that strength. But disappreared quickly after the invasion of the Haze hybrids.
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Your expirence with A5 also back up my theory somehow.

So all other haze cuts that are more ''Haze indica'' are not so devastating like ''Indica Haze'' A5.
Agin not so but very devastating is SSH NL5 pheno aka Amnesia or NL/sk pheno.....

Infact NL strongest phenos for me are very close to A5 just A5 have that eletricity from Haze and people have paranoic strong 2 hits high + electric feeling what will be now ? when this rollercoster stop? how far it goes ?makes out white people,expecially control freaks...like mushrooms or any other strong psydelic.

If NL was ever kiddi weed i dont think it will be part of almost any best cultivars and strains you can get.

NLxhaze,Nevile's Haze,SSH,Jackherer,Sour diesel,Bubba kush,chem....all of them have NL in them.

More i more relise how importent NL as plant and genetic material was.

So again devastating power comes from Indica dom plants.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Pure vs tobacco mix can't be compared. The high is so different. You get much more stoned when you mix weed with tobacco then when you smoke pure or vaporize, where the effect is much clearer and longer lasting. Much more psychedelic too. Made the test on few friends. We were on an event. Forced them to smoke pure PanoHaze, as they had nothing to smoke. They later have reported, they got rarely so much high and never partied so long with weed. I would even add, as I know them very well, that they have not partied that long since 2 decades.

The NL making the effect of pure Haze more managable in my opinion is wrong. Makes it less clear, less energetic, but more racy. What you say might be right when you use Northern Lights on a fast flowering OH with potent energtic speedy effect. But that's not what has been used by Nevil. The devastating potency of NH from my point of view, did not come from the pure Haze, nor from the NL. But from the work Nevil did on NLHzA to find the A5 cut used in the NH. The potency did not come from doubling up the Haze. When you have smoked the real A5 cut and the very first NH cupwinners, you know it comes from the A5.

Then at least for me, C5 or HazeC hybrids were not as devastating. Also the smoke less dense. How do you guys explain the difference to A5 if it's only NL or the generation of the Haze line that matters?

HazeA is not only legend because got lost earlier. But because much better than HazeC. Better breeder too. Also over more generations it seems. Or not? So why should a second generation HazeA type of pure Haze have been so much worse than the first generation HazeC?

.the a5 I know Johnny wasnt the same as what karma has....that come later for me....when karmas comes out pale thats similar to wat I know...only what I was getting wasnt as thick budded...it was more airy and quickly go flat.it was more pale...didnt have the piney bubble gum like tones karmas has but was alot more leather and caked in way more resin....theirs is way more stony...
The c5 cut in know was pure sandlewood and pine....maybe people never had the south african x hazeC or the Hawaiian x hazeC both won cups..or the a good few others...all missing nl yet still of equal quality....so how does it come from just norther lights...
Lets just do this....you got nl5 coming....remake your 5a or c5.. you got mac doing one with the a s1 or even s2 5a and 3ohz's x 3 ohzs...why he even uses 3 ohz's to 3ohz's if its a equal quality haze....anyways we can see wat comes up.....I know of a few f1 nh still about.
By the way..you say you sampled the first cup winners....the cutting that won the seed cup in 1997....describe it ?

 

[willydread]

Unless you have the exact mother Nl5 and the male hzA or hzC, you will never be able to do the same thing, you could get something much better or something much worse ....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Unless you have the exact mother Nl5 and the male hzA or hzC, you will never be able to do the same thing, you could get something much better or something much worse ....

I agree..if the males did at least in part have different parentage and the resulting progeny allready shows they did.....well combining them together even if only 35% compatable will give that small percentage that throw back into the ancestry ...with that touch of out side blood in the recombination so its not just inbred ....is that possible now.....??

 

[RoyalFlush]

.the a5 I know Johnny wasnt the same as what karma has....that come later for me....when karmas comes out pale thats similar to wat I know...only what I was getting wasnt as thick budded...it was more airy and quickly go flat.it was more pale...didnt have the piney bubble gum like tones karmas has but was alot more leather and caked in way more resin....theirs is way more stony...
The c5 cut in know was pure sandlewood and pine....maybe people never had the south african x hazeC or the Hawaiian x hazeC both won cups..or the a good few others...all missing nl yet still of equal quality....so how does it come from just norther lights...
Lets just do this....you got nl5 coming....remake your 5a or c5.. you got mac doing one with the a s1 or even s2 5a and 3ohz's x 3 ohzs...why he even uses 3 ohz's to 3ohz's if its a equal quality haze....anyways we can see wat comes up.....I know of a few f1 nh still about.
By the way..you say you sampled the first cup winners....the cutting that won the seed cup in 1997....describe it ?

Yea No, the NL#5 Todd is releasing is not the original, it's an USNL#5 x unknown cross.

 

[Hammerhead]

Bodhi released NL#5 open pollination years ago. BCSC northern lights 5 in an open pollination from the f3 generation..

 

[funkyhorse]

This is Senegal Haze Afropips, the only survivor of the original pack sprouted in fresh EWC, day 85 of flowering

Senegal Haze is Senegal landrace shared by Zamalito crossed by Phoenix Haze
This is Phoeniz Haze:

*****THESE SEEDS ARE ALL GONE******


Hey everybody,
Here's someting I've been working on for a few months now.
As some of you may know,our beloved Dutchgrown was raided last year and had her entire grow destroyed by the Dutch police.
Most of the confiscated plants were seeded.In particular,she had some Neville's Haze that was pollenated by a NH male and some SSH that was pollenated by the same NH male.After the bust she was able to find some seeds on the floor where the plants had been.DG was gracious enough to send me some of those seeds.The seeds are mixed so there is not much of a way to tell which is NHxNH and which is NHxSSH.

For the first batch of seeds I selected my 2 best plants(1 fem 1 male) from the first 6 seeds I germed.Both the female and male showed sex at around 30 days.Both were extremely branchy and stretchy.The fem stopped stretching at about 60 days.
The fem took 16 weeks to flower and finished about 5 feet tall.
The long flower time is somewhat off set by the fact that I put them into flower right after they germed.I grew theses under a 12/12 light cycle.You might be able to reduce flowering by scaling back to a 10/14 light cycle.These are not easy to manage indoors but nothing is impossible if you flower early enough and top them very well.These will probably require some mid-flower pruning or bending for indoor growers.The buds are somewhat airy,not the greatest bag appeal,but the seem to roll and smoke just fine.

They produce little smell in the grow.The flavor is kind of spicy/peppery,understated.This is probably the most Sativa plant I've grown.Until recently I didn't have the vertical room to grow them,but I always wanted to.
The high is extremely clear,especially in comparision to Indicas and Hybrids.It's like getting drunk without your tounge getting thick.It takes a little getting used to.At first you kind of underestimate how high you are,until you try to do something.
I didn't notice any paranoia or intense speediness.Overall I found it to be a very pleasant change of pace.

Anyway,if you like some free seeds just PM me with a safe addy.EDIT****THESE SEEDS ARE ALL GONE.******

Phoenix 1 will be the first in a series of seeds from these genetics,hopefully.

Here's some pics of the seedmother and father.


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JLP

******THESE SEEDS ARE ALL GONE*******

I think the seeds Dutchgrown had were shared straight by Nevil and are Haze A descendants, hopefully somebody can tell if this assumption is right or not. So Phoenix Haze would be Nh97 x NH97 or Nh97 x SSH97.
I am starting to believe in the survival of the fittest out of the old stock, Senegal haze was open pollinated by Afropips and there would be a lot of phenos. This lone survivor I have is a very long flowering one. Hopefully somebody can tell if the structure of the plant resembles Nevil Haze 97. This plant seems to be a very long flowering one
Have a nice weekend everyone

 

[William76]

Is the core cut still flying about?wouldn't mind doing a side by side grow with my 97 ssh female,just to compare,76

 

[@hempy]

Hi Funkyhorse all Nevil's Haze use 5HzA (The One shanti was given by Nevil ) and the Haze C as the dad. No one to date has posted a 5HzA that looks any thing close to it.

The Nevil's Haze i have posted are Nevil's Haze made in 97 by Nevil people that got seed from Mrnice up until say 2003/2004 at the latest got the same seed after that they were fresh made by shanti using the same plants Nevil used.

The people that claim Nevil's Haze smokes like NL5 have ether never grown and smoked real Nevil haze or they are making it up as they go.

 

[Hammerhead]

Hi Funkyhorse all Nevil's Haze use 5HzA (The One shanti was given by Nevil ) and the Haze C as the dad. No one to date has posted a 5HzA that looks any thing close to it.

The Nevil's Haze i have posted are Nevil's Haze made in 97 by Nevil people that got seed from Mrnice up until say 2003/2004 at the latest got the same seed after that they were fresh made by shanti using the same plants Nevil used.

The people that claim Nevil's Haze smokes like NL5 have ether never grown and smoked real Nevil haze or they are making it up as they go.

Are you saying there's no variation in NH?. It's not an IBL. Why would it be odd for a NL#5 pheno to show up?. Isn't it part of NH. Def possible for a nl#5 dom pheno to pop up.

 

[@hempy]

Are you saying there's no variation in NH?. It's not an IBL. Why would it be odd for a NL#5 pheno to show up?. Isn't it part of NH. Def possible for a nl#5 dom pheno to pop up.

I go by what i grew saw and smoked Hammer not by what people that have never grown a true F1 Nevil's haze have to say and lets face it some of the rubbish being posted is based on jealousy or biased or agenda.

Do my Nevil's Haze pictures look any thing close to resembling a NL in any way ?.

Every NH F1 i grew took around 7 or 8 weeks to sex and start flowering.

The 50% haze took 4 and above to sex.

The only Haze hybrid line i ever grew from Nevil's work i rejected was SSH because i picked up tones of NL in its smoke not all phinos but some and i call that a dirty high.

This is SSH from seed Nevil made that is a 50% Haze you or any one else see NL in that i don't.

 

[@hempy]

Nevil Haze gained a following because of the quality of the smoke it produced and many still seek it out and to be honest i have never in the 20 bit years on line posting and reading have i read people rubbishing it until now.

 

[herbgreen]

@hempy what do think the dif is from the mango haze and that old SSH???

 

[@hempy]

@hempy what do think the dif is from the mango haze and that old SSH???

That is a good question Herbgreen for me the main difference is no trace of what i call the dirty high but i can only go by what i saw and smoked in the test seed but the inbreed MH i cant talk about as i never grew it.


Do not get me wrong the SSH were amazing plants people love her to just not my cup of tea.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

@hempy what do think the dif is from the mango haze and that old SSH???

Its in the mother....that 122 c5 is seriously long flowering.....takes ages to sex ....goes into 18-20 weeks to finish.....the ssh c5 mother is faster but was chosen for the haze traits it passes on....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Are you saying there's no variation in NH?. It's not an IBL. Why would it be odd for a NL#5 pheno to show up?. Isn't it part of NH. Def possible for a nl#5 dom pheno to pop up.

It would be dishonest to say they cant be found at all...but it wasnt easy.....put it like this...look at the mango haze...due to using a heavily sativa mother that was progeny tested to pass on heavyly leaning sativa traits, the original mango haze was born....of which hempy showed pictures and others wen first publicly released....it was heavly sativa leaning......so why cant picking a progeny tested mother from the a5 for hazeA traits push that to futher extreams..