mazar I shariff RSC line roms

[idiit]

there's a post here on ic somewhere that explains that mis has two types not determined by wld or nld. there are the wet girls and the dry girls. in the mtns where mis grows wild the area has either very wet years or very dry years ( I think depending on geographic location) and mis has adapted with two types of plants; wet loving, dry loving.

my mis grow was so hardy that nothing bothered those plants. took it very cold ( well below freezing) and took it hot and humid just as well. my area has hot humid summers every year.

no coloration on mine at all. they were very ugly but the smoke was a great smooth, pleasing narcotic. customer hated her due to the dog butt ugly bag appeal. I liked mis but they took forever and a couple days to mature indoors and took up space for a very long time.





found a nice article on mis I haven't seen posted before:

https://www.seed-city.com/cannabis-seed-articles/history-of-the-afghan-strains






here's an old 50 page
Mazar-i-Sharif and Sheberghan

thread Started by namkha , Aug 08 2008 03:26 PM
https://www.uk42*.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=139365&page=1

 

[Roms]

there's a post here on ic somewhere that explains that mis has two types not determined by wld or nld. there are the wet girls and the dry girls. in the mtns where mis grows wild the area has either very wet years or very dry years ( I think depending on geographic location) and mis has adapted with two types of plants; wet loving, dry loving.

my mis grow was so hardy that nothing bothered those plants. took it very cold ( well below freezing) and took it hot and humid just as well. my area has hot humid summers every year.

no coloration on mine at all. they were very ugly but the smoke was a great smooth, pleasing narcotic. customer hated her due to the dog butt ugly bag appeal. I liked mis but they took forever and a couple days to mature indoors and took up space for a very long time.
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Thank you Idiit to report your grow!

But in my opinion MIS is not a mountain Hindu Kush heirloom and i don't think it grows really wild as Pakistan lines! Mazar town is in the plains that border middle mountains beginnings of the Hindu Kush and the climat is more continental with dry desert. The agriculture is practiced thanks to oasis, rivers and irrigation! So if there is "wet love girls and dry love girls" i think it is mainly in relation to the genotype +/-sativa or +/-indica. By knowing MIS is an old hybrid made by Afghans to increase their hasch production! With 4/5 metres hashplant stuff it can only come from a hybridization with Sativa genetic!

Near Mazar e charif

 

[OVG_831]

How's it goin Roms, super interesting stuff, how long do you take them in an indoor environment and what about outdoors? Great thread btw

 

[Roms]

Hi thanks OVG welcome!
Variable 10/12/14 weeks according specimens! Outdoor the greenhouse is needed for North and wet latitudes sensitive to mold!

 

[Roms]

Few more F2 pics that i re found in my archives...

Full vibes and happy end start 2016/17 to all!

 

[Roms]

bump new pics refound from 2009!!

M1 mom strawberrygum Julia without her apex cloned...

Here is my last F3bx2 batch test with Conlarazon gracias amigo enjoy!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7745520&postcount=783

Kenavo ar wech'al all

 

[Roms]

more F3bx2, "onebud grow" test with Kingsgard THX!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=68536

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[herbgreen]

Is Mazar- i Sharif the mazar in skunk1 ?

If so it must be the short pheno stabilized then cross w/smg etc etc to make skunk?

Someone else asked if this could also be what Afghani #1 (seedsman/sensi) is ???

Was pondering this possibility myself..a stabilized short mazar pheno =Afghani 1 ?

 

[StRa]

yeah Roms! great update.... go go go!!!

 

[Coughie]

Is Mazar- i Sharif the mazar in skunk1 ?

If so it must be the short pheno stabilized then cross w/smg etc etc to make skunk?

Someone else asked if this could also be what Afghani #1 (seedsman/sensi) is ???

Was pondering this possibility myself..a stabilized short mazar pheno =Afghani 1 ?

Essentially.. Mazar is Mazar, as far as Skunk #1 is concerned. Back in the 80's, and most of the Mazar lines or older genetics that contain Mazar, will be the shorter, wild leaf phenotypes.

These are the ones that produced a larger yield in hashish, so they are what the farmers favored. The western market kept demanding more and more hashish, and the farmers wanted the money so they increased the supply by favoring the shorter phenotypes because they produced more.

Afghani #1, I'm not sure / i dont remember what region it would have originated or if it's a mix of various Afghani strains. But it's pretty much the same phenotypical expression, short, wide leaf, heavy yielding hashplant.

 

[Jack T.Ripper]

MIS is just a F1 at its source!

How is that even possible?

Well, it's not. Because it would have to mean these farmers are maintaining separate lines in order to produce the F1's. Why would these subsistence farmer's know anything about, never mind have a need to produce F1's?

This thread is full of beautiful images and great information, however it is undermined when we unconsciously break this incredibly diverse species into two, overly simplified, undefinable categories.

 

[ngakpa]

Essentially.. Mazar is Mazar, as far as Skunk #1 is concerned. Back in the 80's, and most of the Mazar lines or older genetics that contain Mazar, will be the shorter, wild leaf phenotypes.

These are the ones that produced a larger yield in hashish, so they are what the farmers favored. The western market kept demanding more and more hashish, and the farmers wanted the money so they increased the supply by favoring the shorter phenotypes because they produced more.

Afghani #1, I'm not sure / i dont remember what region it would have originated or if it's a mix of various Afghani strains. But it's pretty much the same phenotypical expression, short, wide leaf, heavy yielding hashplant.

Well, I doubt I am the only person reading this who thinks that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So, you're saying dwarf phenotypes produced a higher yield of resin than a strain that consistently produces plants that can go to over 4m in well-irrigated land.

Really?

Fact is: the Mazari (aka Balkhi) is a very big high-yielding strain.

The reason farmers in Afghanistan favour the Mazari is because it yields so high - several pounds per plant in good conditions

There are plenty of short Afghan strains they could be growing. But they don't.

These days the Mazari is grown throughout Afghanistan, even in the south.

That's why even when Morocco has a higher area under cultivation, Afghanistan is the world's biggest producer of cannabis resin.

Bottom line: Afghan farmers want the highest yields they can get. That's why almost all of them grow the Mazari strain.

The reason it has the highest yield: because it is a fucking big plant.

If what you are saying was true, then Afghan famers would be growing a short strain. But they don't - iirc at least 70% of farmers grow the Mazari.

 

[ngakpa]

How is that even possible?

Well, it's not. Because it would have to mean these farmers are maintaining separate lines in order to produce the F1's. Why would these subsistence farmer's know anything about, never mind have a need to produce F1's?

This thread is full of beautiful images and great information, however it is undermined when we unconsciously break this incredibly diverse species into two, overly simplified, undefinable categories.

F1 is an over-simplification.

But there is something to the theory that hybridisation does occur in traditional strains.

Thai and Lao farmers will refer to good Thai strains as hybrids.

I suspect the same thing has happened in Afghanistan.

Both countries have seed markets and a history of specific seed production.

However, I agree with your point about "indica" and "sativa" being abstractions.

For example, the whole old idea of an indica species that is a dwarf etc. - what some people now call an afghanica - is very doubtful. It's based primarily on people looking at plants that are the product of decades of intensive selective breeding in the West. People who have little experience of pure traditional strains, either in their countries of origin or out.

 

[Coughie]

Well, I doubt I am the only person reading this who doesn't think that makes a whole lot of sense.

So, you're saying dwarf phenotypes produced a higher yield of resin than a strain that consistently produces plants that can go to over 4m in well-irrigated land.

Really?

Fact is: the Mazari (aka Balkhi) is a very big high-yielding strain.

The reason farmers in Afghanistan favour the Mazari is because it yields so high - several pounds per plant in good conditions

There are plenty of short Afghan strains they could be growing. But they don't.

These days the Mazari is grown throughout Afghanistan, even in the south.

That's why even when Morocco has a higher area under cultivation, Afghanistan is the world's biggest producer of cannabis resin.

Bottom line: Afghan farmers want the highest yields they can get. That's why almost all of them grow the Mazari strain.

The reason it has the highest yield: because it is a fucking big plant.

If what you are saying was true, then Afghan famers would be growing a short strain. But they don't - iirc at least 70% of farmers grow the Mazari.

You're right;

I was thinking one thing and wrote another.

It's the dutch breeders that brought out the shorter phenotypes and flooded the market with the shorter height, shorter duration plants.

And that was because of the growing popularity of indoor growing in non-traditional areas that they were marketing to.

I could blame my mistake on good weed or a high stress level, or both, but either way, you're right.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[ngakpa]

It's the dutch breeders that brought out the shorter phenotypes and flooded the market with the shorter height, shorter duration plants.

OK, but how sure are you that it's right to describe this as "bringing out the shorter phenotypes"?

i.e. how do we even know that what Westerners called the Mazar and what Afghans called "Mazari" (or "Balkhi") are the same strain?

for one thing, there are a lot of other cultivars in Afghanistan, many of which would seem to be short in height

how many people growing the dwaf Mazar were directly involved in collecting it in Afghanistan whenever and wherever it was collected?

In fact, how many people can honestly say they know exactly how the strain came about?

seems to me that the origin of most of the Afghan strains that are grown in the West is extremely obscure

 

[Roms]

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seems to me that the origin of most of the Afghan strains that are grown in the West is extremely obscure

+1 ^^

How is that even possible?

Well, it's not. Because it would have to mean these farmers are maintaining separate lines in order to produce the F1's. Why would these subsistence farmer's know anything about, never mind have a need to produce F1's?

This thread is full of beautiful images and great information, however it is undermined when we unconsciously break this incredibly diverse species into two, overly simplified, undefinable categories.

The best way to well understand the MIS and its various F1 Afghanica alias "indica giant" is simply to cultivate and grow them! In this way you will find a lot of variation of phenotypes/genotypes compared to others indican origins from Pakistan or the other Kafiristanican origin from Nuristan. Also the other point of comprehension is the respect of anthropology... Agriculture, agronomy and breeding was practiced a long time ago by Afghans and others Hindu kush people! A long time before Dutch or American i mean!

So by crossing the original dwarf resinous cannabis from high in the mountains (+2500m) with the best Indian sativa like Kerala they simply have created the F1 giant haschich cultivar alias Afghanica! (imho)

 

[Coughie]

OK, but how sure are you that it's right to describe this as "bringing out the shorter phenotypes"?

i.e. how do we even know that what Westerners called the Mazar and what Afghans called "Mazari" (or "Balkhi") are the same strain?

for one thing, there are a lot of other cultivars in Afghanistan, many of which would seem to be short in height

how many people growing the dwaf Mazar were directly involved in collecting it in Afghanistan whenever and wherever it was collected?

In fact, how many people can honestly say they know exactly how the strain came about?

seems to me that the origin of most of the Afghan strains that are grown in the West is extremely obscure

The history of most of this, is obscure, simply due to the illegality of the market for so long and the way information was forced to travel. It's still obscure. We're still forced to basically even take your word for it, with the seeds you provide. I'm entirely grateful for what you do, but it doesn't change the fact that we still have to take your word for it.

So if the information trail indicates that they used Mazar genetics, that's all we have to go on and we can either accept that or not. Accept it, and *maybe* there will be a slight hunch that we know what it is, or don't accept it and have absolutely no clue.

A lot of those older Afghani genetics were supposedly brought back by soldiers, and not so much by travelers, because the area wasn't and isn't a very friendly environment for Westerners, which also adds to the murkiness of the information trail.

So if they indicate that they used Mazar genetics, and the plants in front of said-grower are short in stature with wide leaves and a short flowering period, then one would have to either accept at face value that the plants were isolated towards those genetics, or they aren't those genetics at all.

All that's really saying, at a best guess, would be that the plants were found in the Mazar area/district, and not that they were actually the Mazari strain itself - two very different things, there.


They had to do some sort of breeding though, the Dutch or whoever had the seeds once they left the place of origin, because the plants involved these days generally still produce those same sorts of results even when they're out-crossed, so the genetics involved are at least somewhat isolated and dominant in expression. That's where I get my hunch from, the dominance of the genetics that carry through outcrossing by numerous individuals that use these now-mutts containing Afghan/Mazar ancestry.

So to answer your question, in that regard, I'm pretty sure.

Whether it's actually Mazari, we'll never really know, because we'll never really know how the strain/s came about, like you hinted at.

 

[Rastak']

Very happy to see the work (after some years, yeah I know^^) Roms and others done on the MIS !!

Well done bro' !!

 

[Roms]

Hey Rastak! Bien plaiz de te voir reviendu poto! BZH en force!
N'hésites pas à me mp si tu veux test dac!


Well to complete the answer and the confusion between Indica, Kafiristanica and Afghanica here is a lowland field of Kafiristanican plants from South Afghanistan. They named the line "watani" there but the origin comes from more high in the mountains in facts cause natural dwarfism is due to altitude! In the second page we see the real giant F1 Afghanican!... By hoping it helps to enlighten folks who confuse the bordel! ^^

(Well of course irrigation plays big role!!!)

Thanks @four seasons for the upload!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=143058

 

[Rastak']

Yop yop Bien content de revenir sur les boards ouaip

Et puis bah du coup, je suis plus en BZH mais je suis retourné par chez moi Et mais bon, je garde bcp de contact la bas donc j'y vais assez souvent !!

Au plaisir de te relire