the most important part of growing
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True Carpenter
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Very talented,Its still hard for me to even think about something so advanced but great job.
True Carpenter
Very talented,Its still hard for me to even think about something so advanced but great job.
strain_searcher said:
its not about being "SO ADVANCED" im in my first yr of growing!
i just have backing from medical user's. when growing for 10 ppl you learn really fast.
this can be done on any level.... 5 plants 10,20,50 so on.
i only do 49 plants the table it self was just a cheap way to make a ebb&flow tray as they are very very out of the price range....it's unreal
even if i where to have 2 lights or even 1 i would have ran 240v and a 120 line. for the things that are needed for a grow room and have to do thing like this no matter what kinda grower you are. or what light you use.
one day this will happen to you
look at the light on the left!
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I really enjoy this thread. I have alway's been interested in grow room set up's and the designing behind them. Mine is not perfect, but I went from small area to larger area and have discovered many change's in the grow room. It could be plant count, time of year, or a combo of factor's. I never had mold until this grow room.
What I noticed is that RH goes up when light's go out and actually drops some when light's are on. I have to run the dehumidifier during light's out our the outside RH become's the GR's RH, using outside air ducted into grow room.
Vegy stage the plant's seem to enjoy warmer temp's, so less is needed to control the enviroment. It is kinda a trade off, light's are on longer using more power yet other thing's are not on or used much.
I really like your handy work on the ebb&flow table. It look's very solid and built to take the weight.
I also run a drip feed to a perlite coco fiber mix with drain retrun to reservoir. Giving a watering during light's out also cause a spike in the RH level, I did this and learned that a watering in light's off is only needed if you use a medium that dry's out to fast or have exposed root's that must be kept moist.
I see your room has all it take's and a enviromental control unit is what you need to control everything. It can be done by the grower, but the little programable box is sweet and will shut off and turn on what you want when you need it. Yes this is a cost, but with all you have done it is a item that I think would make your room complete.
You have a very solid start in the game of growing and I hope you the best with it.
I have learned over the year's and see alot of this in your room. It is nice to see it done properly and explained so well. I will be back to get into this much more. I have a double wide moble home and I draw alot of electricity for the room, my point is I need to improve this area be for I burm my place up. Thank you for your time in sharing this information. I will be back.
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
What I noticed is that RH goes up when light's go out and actually drops some when light's are on. I have to run the dehumidifier during light's out our the outside RH become's the GR's RH, using outside air ducted into grow room.
Vegy stage the plant's seem to enjoy warmer temp's, so less is needed to control the enviroment. It is kinda a trade off, light's are on longer using more power yet other thing's are not on or used much.
I really like your handy work on the ebb&flow table. It look's very solid and built to take the weight.
I also run a drip feed to a perlite coco fiber mix with drain retrun to reservoir. Giving a watering during light's out also cause a spike in the RH level, I did this and learned that a watering in light's off is only needed if you use a medium that dry's out to fast or have exposed root's that must be kept moist.
I see your room has all it take's and a enviromental control unit is what you need to control everything. It can be done by the grower, but the little programable box is sweet and will shut off and turn on what you want when you need it. Yes this is a cost, but with all you have done it is a item that I think would make your room complete.
You have a very solid start in the game of growing and I hope you the best with it.
I have learned over the year's and see alot of this in your room. It is nice to see it done properly and explained so well. I will be back to get into this much more. I have a double wide moble home and I draw alot of electricity for the room, my point is I need to improve this area be for I burm my place up. Thank you for your time in sharing this information. I will be back.
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
be carefull coiling up yer extention cords mine caught fire. being coiled up must have created some heat or something started melting the rubber coating and then poof fire
all is good now just my expierence
peace chucky
all is good now just my expierence
peace chucky
realhigh said:
i used to run my dehu at night for the same reason....
but i have found that if you turn the a/c dehu off at night and just run air in & out the rh cant condence there for there will be no mold!
the control you talk about would be sumthing like ....
i used one a long time ago
but with a dehu & a/c i see no reason in having one.
i now run my intake fans on a timer 12/12 ( when lights are off )
for winter i dont need the a/c the intakes cool the 3000 im using now so there on 24/7.
but really soon i will be adding this and will run a/c in the light on time.
theres 3 reasons i dont run it now.
1. i have kids
i want to get a co2 alarm in my house just incase it go's from that room to the house
2.i dont trust putting it on a timer that is really just guessing, i want a ppm meter
3.my room is not 100% sealed just yet.
i find perlite dont need water at night time what so ever.
right now im watering them once(twice if i have time) a day (by hand)
2 reasons
1. the plants are a lil big and its hard to run the line to each plant.
2. i dont have pumps in the bottem tubs that catch the nutes to pump back to the rez.
so i do it by hand so i dont end up with 25 gallons all over the floor
here guys a shot from the garden
heres one at 7 days flower
( 4 inchs )
( 1.5 inchs )
anyways last night i was going to change out the middle light
( m/h to hps at 30 days flower )
and i pulled a stoner move
the way the light is so close is from the sun twist 359° light mover.to change the bulb out i had to uplug it. well it happen to stop right on top of that plant ( its the only one that close)
silverhaze likes to reach a lil more then the rest i thought i cut it back far enuff that it would be the same as the rest .....oops
( this is how keep most the 30 strains the same size )
anyway i burned the top not to bad but it did not make the plant look happy so i cut it off i have to say not bad smoke for a bud that 30 days flower
the taste is unreal no chem taste what so ever... damn i lov anutes so far.
a clone 4 days from cutting off the plant
strain_searcher,Mrs.Babba,silver chuckyoufarley,BuzzBob thx for stoping in and the kind word's...
farly sry to hear about the fire worst thought in my mind really. thats why i run lights in the daytime in winter so i am awake
i only use one extention cord in my grow room and that will be fix really soon its for the intake fans and dont pull much. bu i still dont like it. just have not had the time to run a power plug to that wall yet.
mrs b hows it we live so close but yet so far away.... damn i need a car id come smoke this premie silverhaze it really good for 30 days
buzzbob more info to come i dint think this thread will ever stop all ways new stuff in the works.......just like 2 more rooms that a few friends want set up all make sure to post all there ways as well can never learn 2 much.
sry if i missed anyones q's or post all go back and read and answer waht i missed or at lest say thx toyou who posted i have to mcuh going on in the past month and have not had much time for q & a's hell i have not even got any t&a latly damn i need to get out hahahaha........few more days few more and all be free for a week or 5.
when i flower i dont bring ppl to my house or do i leave! ( cept the med users)
i simply dont trust anyone.
farly sry to hear about the fire worst thought in my mind really. thats why i run lights in the daytime in winter so i am awake
i only use one extention cord in my grow room and that will be fix really soon its for the intake fans and dont pull much. bu i still dont like it. just have not had the time to run a power plug to that wall yet.
mrs b hows it we live so close but yet so far away.... damn i need a car id come smoke this premie silverhaze it really good for 30 days
buzzbob more info to come i dint think this thread will ever stop all ways new stuff in the works.......just like 2 more rooms that a few friends want set up all make sure to post all there ways as well can never learn 2 much.
sry if i missed anyones q's or post all go back and read and answer waht i missed or at lest say thx toyou who posted i have to mcuh going on in the past month and have not had much time for q & a's hell i have not even got any t&a latly damn i need to get out hahahaha........few more days few more and all be free for a week or 5.
when i flower i dont bring ppl to my house or do i leave! ( cept the med users)
i simply dont trust anyone.
so anyways ..... remember that old room i once flowered in ( crouded thread )
i had a few extra mins and buckets hear just setting i used them for moms a few times but never really did anything with them......
so with my extra time i went and got a few parts that i was missing to do a 6 bucket set up. i used them as dwc befor but all ways wanted to make it a ebb & flow set up a long with the drip rings and bubblers in the bottems
so really we call this here a
dwcflowbubbler............hmmmm sounds nice. but its missing one thing.
(that one thing will come soon i dont have the parts just yet)
but heres the set up so far.
i had a few extra mins and buckets hear just setting i used them for moms a few times but never really did anything with them......
so with my extra time i went and got a few parts that i was missing to do a 6 bucket set up. i used them as dwc befor but all ways wanted to make it a ebb & flow set up a long with the drip rings and bubblers in the bottems
so really we call this here a
dwcflowbubbler............hmmmm sounds nice. but its missing one thing.
(that one thing will come soon i dont have the parts just yet)
but heres the set up so far.
Yo Bro good pics and info and electrical stuff! Question, do you have your ballast in the grow room? And if not why did you mount them so high up? I'm in earthquake country so I secure mine with chains to prevent accidents. Oh and your connections with rings are the same ones I use outdoors to interconnect 32 g. cans! Since you know your room; consider locating your rez outside the room for access and better temp control.
badmf said:
no the ballast are out of the grow room!
i put them up there for 3 reason's
1. with the sun twist i use you need the wires close as you can get them to the light.
2. it keeps them off the ground in case of water!
3. it keeps the wire's from hanging around there all up. i ran all my power lines from the attic down ( less wire less money)
the ring's???????? the ones in the buckets how do you interconnect witht he rings...? im lost on that
i dont have room out side of room for the rez.
the temps not a prob really as far as temps i need a heater in it. the temps are anywhere from 55-60 deg's when lights turn on. witch is too cold.
when lights are on my room dose not get above 75 deg's there for the rez never dose either.
either is access i can walk around my table and i only go to my rez once a week to change nutes i can see the ph/ppm/temp from anywhere in the room.
I like it 420. My hydro store guy is trying to get me to buy the HydroFarm rings. He swears I will improve my yeild if I add an airstone to the bottom and drip feed from the top of the buckets. Looking good in there.
G
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I did not say I was right in what how I did thing's, just that is what I have done.
I did notice a major spike in RH during light's out, so I have found way's to remove the spike, the simplest was as light's go out the dehumidifier turn's on and keeps the high spike away.
I have to say this, my medium is never dry due to my watering schedule, and I do not see this as a plus. I thought it would be, feed all the time and get growth all the time, but I am getting a feeling it is not the best way to use this coco medium.
Now did you re wire your ballast's for 220 volt or did you purchase them wired to run on 220 volt's?
What is involved to properly get a ballast from 110 to 220 volt's?
Does the capacitor and igniter need to be up graded?
You also mentioned, or I took it this way, that the A/C unit is running on 220 volt's?
Now is this a seperate 220 line you fed into the grow room, or do you take off from the 220 line ran for the light's?
sorry about all the q's, but I need to under stand how to make my room the best it can be.
I just think a enviromental control unit would be better than me and my mind remembering what to turn on and off when it is needed.
I got my first vision of mold forming on my leave, not something I want in my garden, and it was due to me learning how to control the enviroment of that room.
I do not like to waste money, yet I am in electricity right now, so I am sure me getting this controller is "not happening" , well at least not yet as I see a few other thing's that need to be taken care of first.
So I understand this correctly 00420,
The 110 is used to power a timmer that controls the turning on/off of the relay which supplies power to three 220 outlet's.
I hope to keep on topic and not drive other nut's, I get lost easy and need to attack on item at a time.
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
I did notice a major spike in RH during light's out, so I have found way's to remove the spike, the simplest was as light's go out the dehumidifier turn's on and keeps the high spike away.
I have to say this, my medium is never dry due to my watering schedule, and I do not see this as a plus. I thought it would be, feed all the time and get growth all the time, but I am getting a feeling it is not the best way to use this coco medium.
Now did you re wire your ballast's for 220 volt or did you purchase them wired to run on 220 volt's?
What is involved to properly get a ballast from 110 to 220 volt's?
Does the capacitor and igniter need to be up graded?
You also mentioned, or I took it this way, that the A/C unit is running on 220 volt's?
Now is this a seperate 220 line you fed into the grow room, or do you take off from the 220 line ran for the light's?
sorry about all the q's, but I need to under stand how to make my room the best it can be.
I just think a enviromental control unit would be better than me and my mind remembering what to turn on and off when it is needed.
I got my first vision of mold forming on my leave, not something I want in my garden, and it was due to me learning how to control the enviroment of that room.
I do not like to waste money, yet I am in electricity right now, so I am sure me getting this controller is "not happening" , well at least not yet as I see a few other thing's that need to be taken care of first.
So I understand this correctly 00420,
The 110 is used to power a timmer that controls the turning on/off of the relay which supplies power to three 220 outlet's.
I hope to keep on topic and not drive other nut's, I get lost easy and need to attack on item at a time.
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
Hooked-On-Grown said:
hey hogster glad you made it by
as far as bubbler in the buckets
if it helps or not i dont know yet!
having o2 in there could be a good thing an in no way can it hurt.
i seen a water o2 tester the other day on ebay i might buy one just to see the real dif from this. there not that much.
next run all use all the same clone ( strain ) and do a few test
this run im gonna use the stones and ring's on all buckets
next run all do
1 with out either
1 with a stone
1 with a stone & ring
1 with a ring
then the other 2 a new way that i been working on
one thing i like about the rings so far!
you dont have to flood the bucket full when the plants are small
the rings start to pump water/nutes at about 6" full
(with anute's if i can save money by using 2 gallon's & not 4 im game)
even if it dont help yeild
there only 10 bux per kit BUT i do find theres thing i dont like as well.
1. they get pluged up from time to time in 2 place's
a. in the ring it self ( with root's ) where the water come's out. i think i fixed this by making the hole bigger
b.the straw that you put the air line 2 gets a salt build up at the bottem where the air meet's the water/nutes all take pic's next time it happens.
not very much but its just one more thing to deal with.
to run 6 rings im using a 2500 cc/min x 2 air pump
i think it might do 8 even. i run a big ass loop using 3 way tee's from one output to the next. on the ring it really dont matter if you tee off.
for the stones i have 3 smaller air pumps ( 2 outputs,20 bux from walmart )
i find even with the big air pump its better to have i output from pump to each stone for even bubble's. cant tee with stone's all the air go's to one or two of the stone's not all of them.
well here's one more thing that i fell is VERY help ful in a grow room.
if it helps or not with the plant i still have to have it
if you llo in this one i allso add a pc fan that blows on my ballast
realhigh said:
realhigh............man i need to get realhigh befor i answer any q's.
*haha* *bong* awwwwwwwwwwwww thats better
now maybe i can read wright and think at the same time.
who said this plants not a med'
ok
as far as you being right YOU ARE so am i and everyother grower!
i was just responding to how i do things it seems to be easyer for me and i run less power doing it this way. yes rh when lights are out spike.
i see the spike so fast in my room that a dehu can't take care of it fast enuff.
i even tryed having 2 65 pints dehu's it was just not enuff. and running 12 amp's ( about 6 each i should put up a hole new 1000 watt light )
to not work is not what i like i even looked in to a dehu that was over a grand to deal with this.
after at lest a yr of nights past 4 am reading ( no not porn
and chatroom talk's from old school growers,friends that grow,ppl like your self,me ( doing test's) and the other 100's of ways i have researched this damn mold issue!the worst thing of all grow rooms.....and being a medical grower trust me.
i have had to deal with this. my brother still ( after a yr ) still wont listen to me and he still gets mold & low yeilds.
im not saying this is the only way but moving air around the room and in & out of the room
via 4 fan's in each corner at plant level.& 1000cfm intake ( 12 x 12 )
i have not needed to use my outtake its not even hooked up.
now if your worryed about smell i would be running air out a carbon filter but no need in my case.
mold is from moisture in the atmosphere condensing. simply keep that air moving and it cant do that. there for mold will not be there.
"enviromental control unit" i loved mine in my first room.
but with air in & out theres no need when lights are off (saves power)
when lights are on so is a/c,dehu and both keep the enviroment at what is needed.
realhigh said:
i really like my medium to dry out with perlite it takes a good time to dry out
thats why i feed only 1-2 times a day
no worrys buddy on all the q's. if i did not want to answer them i would not post things like this.realhigh said:
yes. there is 2 220 ( 240) lines in my room one for the a/c and one for the lights.
for the lights i put 3 plugs on there just cuz thats how many lights i am running. you could do 4. maybe even 5 but im working on a sec onee right now cuz i will be running 6 lights 3 each just seems the way to be
5 in the flower room and one in the veg room for 12 hrs and 2 400 for the other 12 that way no light runs more then 12 hrs at a time
18/6 & 24/7 on lights get hot they need to cool done. i have called hydrofarm and talk to a tech THEY CAN RUN 24/7.but do need a 15 min brake once a week.
when i got my 3 lights they where 220 allreaady.
but any multitap ballast can be ran 220 simply take the com wire and put it on the wire that says 220. i use very
on this and thx to member tokacola (one of mine said 110 so i opened it up to look)so here how a 220 ballast is wired.
green to ground
white to wire that says 220
black to wire that says 110
on a 110 (120)
green to ground
white to com
black to 120 wire
yes a 110 (120) line is ran to the relay that kicks it on to feed power to the 220 plugs as i said you can do more or less.
if your running one light i would not worry about it unless you have a main braker ( fuse box ) that cant handle your house witch is what i have
a 100 amp box
well 3 lights are 30 amps on 110
15 more amps for my ac
half my box and that dont count my house.
with 220 the amps on 3 lights are only 15 and is much more doable for me
i could not run my dryer with 3 110 lights on. i still just for safty reasons dont run my dryer (220) when lightsd are on. im looking in to a gas one now..lol
as soon as i get the part for my new relay timer all take very detaled pic's this one was built in a rush.
any more q's plz ask im sure others will have the same q's at sum time
G
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I am glad you had something to smoke, I even got lost in my question's, LOL
Okay, I am following you so far. I to have limited power, box is loaded with 120 amps of breaker's, designed for 100amp's, mobile home is to run on 60amps, and they figure only half the breaker's are used at a time, so we can over load it. Okay that is what this stonner assume's, LOL
I have a gas dryer now with a free 220 outlet, so I figured I could run that line to the grow room. Now I figured the light's are on the most and so they should be the first item's to be set up properly. Thank you for the information and picture's of what you are doing.
Now it is that simple, just move the white wire from com. conenction to 240 connection point?
You do not have to upgrade the capacitor and ignitor?
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
and yes my grow is medical, it would be sweet if it was all mine, LOL
Okay, I am following you so far. I to have limited power, box is loaded with 120 amps of breaker's, designed for 100amp's, mobile home is to run on 60amps, and they figure only half the breaker's are used at a time, so we can over load it. Okay that is what this stonner assume's, LOL
I have a gas dryer now with a free 220 outlet, so I figured I could run that line to the grow room. Now I figured the light's are on the most and so they should be the first item's to be set up properly. Thank you for the information and picture's of what you are doing.
Now it is that simple, just move the white wire from com. conenction to 240 connection point?
You do not have to upgrade the capacitor and ignitor?
stay safe and grow the same way.
realhigh.
and yes my grow is medical, it would be sweet if it was all mine, LOL
realhigh said:
no need to ugrade cap & ignitor
i wish mine was all mine.its that simple just change the wire
that would be great to run off that 220. you might want to check the wire who knows how old it is. and kicking on 3000+watts is a good pull on the fusebox.
you could get a dry plug and hook it right up to the relay no need to hard wire it.
my old wire was bad so i replaced all mine.
mine main fusebax is 100 amps with id say at lest 150 amps of fuse's
i just make sure i dont run high power stuff in the house at the same time as lights and a/c. in winter youi should not need it unless you have co2.
ie heaters,Vacuum Cleaner's,dryer,audio amp's,toster ovens,microwave's ect.
