University of Guelph paper- Flushing is a myth!

[Tony21]

Vegetables from the supermarket are usually less tasty but better yielding, disease resistant and more uniform because they are hybrids not heirlooms.

That is exactly so, spot on man, if there was wonga to be made from heirlooms beyond grannies at farmers markets we would all be buying them, but we don't because they're too expensive and shelf-life is in days rather than weeks. It's simply about strain selection, nothing to do with granny flushing her heirlooms sown in full organic moonlight after the equinox in the old goat pen!



This https://www.hazera.us.com/product_cat/tomato/

 

[Frylock]

That is exactly so, spot on man, if there was wonga to be made from heirlooms beyond grannies at farmers markets we would all be buying them, but we don't because they're too expensive and shelf-life is in days rather than weeks. It's simply about strain selection, nothing to do with granny flushing her heirlooms sown in full organic moonlight after the equinox in the old goat pen!



This https://www.hazera.us.com/product_cat/tomato/

Yeah, i'm an heirloom enthusiast

There are some that have good shelf life or uniform fruits or other good traits, it's just rare to get a lot of those good traits in one variety other than with hybrids.

 

[cristocel420]

Vegetables from the supermarket are usually less tasty but better yielding, disease resistant and more uniform because they are hybrids not heirlooms.

They suck ass like inorganic cannabis

 

[Frylock]

They suck ass like inorganic cannabis

You should try to grow some heirloom tomatoes if you want great tasting varieties.

Cherokees and Brandywines are 2 very popular meaty families. They have different colors of each variety....

 

[xavier7995]

They arent even hard to find, home depot usually has a good variety. Sadly the local nurseries around me are twice the price and the plants are in way poorer health.

Im still trying to get down outdoor gardening here in CO. Weeds no problem...tomatoes though...thats rough.

 

[Frylock]

They arent even hard to find, home depot usually has a good variety. Sadly the local nurseries around me are twice the price and the plants are in way poorer health.

Im still trying to get down outdoor gardening here in CO. Weeds no problem...tomatoes though...thats rough.

Buy seeds

I used to collect a lot of herb seeds but now i have replaced that hobby with vegetable and fruit seeds.

 

[pinkus]

Just research "truck farming" and you will find plenty of tales of superior produce being abandoned for durable but less tasty versions.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Yeah, i'm an heirloom enthusiast

There are some that have good shelf life or uniform fruits or other good traits, it's just rare to get a lot of those good traits in one variety other than with hybrids.

Some have pretty funky shapes.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Cherokees and Brandywines are 2 very popular meaty families. They have different colors of each variety....

Those are yummy! I've done soooo many heirloom tomato trails myself. I'm a huge fan of Prudens Purple if you haven't tried it. It's a bit like (pink) Brandywine but with teeny seeds, no 'jelly' and some might think, a better flavor (if that's even possible!).

 

[Gauss]

I smoke only organic because that is how I grow now, and I only smoke my own weed anymore. I've tried it all, if not then most, and there are benefits to both sides and even a happy medium. Personally, I put the time and energy into my organic soil mix and get something I am always very happy with all things considered.

 

[xavier7995]

Buy seeds

I used to collect a lot of herb seeds but now i have replaced that hobby with vegetable and fruit seeds.

Im actually kinda curious as i have a Cherokee purple from home depot and also got some seeds of the same variety from some lady and am growing those out as well. Different styles and start times, but still curious if there is a difference.

 

[Frylock]

Im actually kinda curious as i have a Cherokee purple from home depot and also got some seeds of the same variety from some lady and am growing those out as well. Different styles and start times, but still curious if there is a difference.

If you like one better, keep the seeds from it and they should turn out pretty much the same next year

 

[earthwyrms]

Here are some black tomatoes that seem to all be winners; i generally listed them in order or clusters of what i'd like to try


i don't really know about the red types so i just put one in that happened to be cross and is said to be good



https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/carbon-tomato/ AND/OR https://www.rareseeds.com/carbon-tomato/

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/vorlon-tomato/

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/south-african-black-mystery-tomato/

https://www.rareseeds.com/true-black-brandywine-tomato/

https://www.rareseeds.com/black-beauty-tomato/

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/nairobi-nights-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/bkx-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/indische-fleisch-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/moya-noire-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/noir-de-crimee-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/perths-pride-dwarf-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/paul-robeson-tomato/ AND/OR https://www.rareseeds.com/paul-robeson-tomato/






https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/chyornyi-tarasenko-tomato/


https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/creme-brulee-tomato/


black Dwarfs

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/brandyfred-dwarf-tomato/

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/dwarf-black-angus-tomato/



this is a red one that was part of the cross moya-noire (the other was paul robeson)

https://www.renaissancefarms.org/product/moya-tomato/

 

[CannaRed]

Well...
This is bullshit.

 

[hush]

Yes, it is. Why can't y'all off topic people ever take that shit to private messages?

 

[Gauss]

A good rule of thumb I've found when listening to new cannabis science is that if it disagrees with Ed Rosenthal then it's probably wrong or drastically incomplete wisdom. I don't know if he's been mentioned here, I mentioned Cervantes and nobody jumped on me for it surprisingly (because Jorge is kind of 7:30 these days), but Ed has never once steered me wrong. I purposely didn't quote Rosenthal earlier because I didn't want to jump whenever an antagonist says so just to enlighten the undeserving, but for those still tagging along I'd recommend his insight on the question of flushing as superior to pretty much anything else.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Ed is cool. So was my dad.

My dad was an awesome gardener. The guy could root a rock. But every once in a while, he'd feed me something that just didn't make sense.

If something works for them, they'll continue doing it and build a plausible excuse for maintaining it. It's called confirmation bias. And that's OK if it keeps working for them. But you as a grower, has to make up your own mind at some point and go with it until it fails you.

What works best for you, might not work for some someone else. Why do you think there are 100 different ways to pop seeds, and everyone says it's the best method? I can show you the science (seriously. just ask) that says exposing seeds to an electromagnetic field not only increases germination rates, but increases yield as well. I use it, but unless you do it 100 times, with identical seeds, you'll never really know.

Ed has a significant knowledge bank and I suggest every grower read his stuff, but ... in the end, while you have to do what works for you, you still have to consider everything else. Just keep a salt shaker in your pocket.

 

[Gauss]

That's true, Tycho. I think Ed's my best personal rule of thumb is all I'm really saying. Everyone has their own right and wrong ways of doing things and every individual plant is different. There are strains I've run over five times and still feel like I could do better by trying things differently from the bottom up. No way around having to grow to know.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

For sure Gauss. I have strains that do amazingly well in Peat Plugs, while others suffer the Plagues of Egypt from day one. But there's only one way to know right?

 

[therevverend]

The way I see it I'm a driver not a mechanic. I don't need to understand why something works I just need to drive fast and not crash. Of course I'm not a caveman, I'm curious about how stuff works but it's not essential to grow great stuff. Of course I can build up my own theories, the God Shiva blesses my plants and they don't need fertilizer because Shakti keeps them running the last couple weeks.

This year outdoors I'll probably 'flush' for 4 weeks. With the slow release nutrients and manure I've been using they're so well fed there's no need to keep wailing away. I want to give them the right amount of fertilizer, enough so they can finish their life cycle but not so much the winter weeds get huge.

Flush is an unfortunate word, I'm not trying to 'flush' my extra nutrients down the drain, I don't want to keep throwing food at them when they're entering senescence. I'm not into these kind of studies that much, they never really change how I do things. They say the amount of nutrients in the leaves stays the same whether your flushing or not but why would it? They aren't using the nutrients anymore anyway because they're entering senescence.

When my grandma got her blood tested she had plenty of calcium in her blood, the right amount for someone her age. She declared she didn't have osteoporosis. She was wrong, she's got a terrible hunchback and has shrunk 4 inches in the last 10 years. The body doesn't work that way, you can have a healthy diet and not be anemic and your body still steals calcium out of your bone. There's a baseline amount of nutrients in the blood unless you're really sick and malnourished.

I would think it's the same way with a healthy leaf. I'd like them to test some of the red and purple and yellow leaves falling off my plants to see how much nutrients are in them. I'm guessing not as much because they're dying. But they don't need those leaves, they're moving the nutrients to the flowers to build seeds. It seems like simple stuff to me but maybe that's not how it works. All that matters is that my stuff is frostier and tastier and stonier then yours.