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Trudeau, the Liberals and legalization

Gmack

Member
We're only talking about rec grows. Med is protected now and the Feds/provincial gov can't take that away no matter where you live in Canada.
 

Limeygreen

Well-known member
Veteran
They are merely trying to delay the legislation. Anyone can painfully see than if they allow a ban that it can be taken to court as medical grows are allowed why not home grows for recreational? They wanted more time and they got it, just push 4 dozen amendments then also vote no on it, which is what happened.
 

Gmack

Member
What happens October 2019? Think it will be passed by then? There's no rush to get either bills passed despite what justin says.
 

hvac guy

Active member
If someone really wants to grow 4 plants, even big ones, just apply under the ACMPR, any GP or RN can sign off, for that low of a plant count should be no fee to pay.
 

Maple_Flail

Well-known member
What happens October 2019? Think it will be passed by then? There's no rush to get either bills passed despite what justin says.

I'm gunna respectfully disagree with you on this.

the liberals are pushing this hard, they have all been briefs by someone and are showing a uniform front (strangle uniform for this liberal caucus imho)

it seems the senate didn't make it easy for them..

little less than 3 weeks left in lower house discussions is a hearing extension for the last week of june. so earliest we could likely see C45 in effect is labour day. latest 1st half 2019 (likely second quarter)

unless any of these amendments go against the liberal core initiative it will be stone wall pushed through and fixed and amended after the fact, there are many that want the frame work ther to work on what they fix the specifics.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
Full legalization is not expected until August at the earliest. Recreational pot won't be instantly legal once the bill passed both houses. As currently written, the bill stipulates the law does not come into force until a date fixed by an order of the governor-in-council — Trudeau's cabinet. I guess that will be about October, and certainly not before Bill C-46 comes into effect. Without a DUI solution and technological mini leap, acceptable to the courts, that's a tough one.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
Loophole :woohoo:

Pursuant to S. 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada if somebody called you crazy one time. You may be able
to grow and smoke all you want now. If your like on a Government disability like ODSP in Ontario for some
type of mental disorder it may be a given. Heck if you have a disability check every month that means a
doctor said your were probably mental. So it could be a go man go.

This could be like diplomatic immunity for you now. :laughing:

Defence of mental disorder

16 (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a
mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or
omission or of knowing that it was wrong.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-16.html
 

Rocky Mtn Squid

EL CID SQUID
Veteran
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Gmack

Member
I'm gunna respectfully disagree with you on this.

the liberals are pushing this hard, they have all been briefs by someone and are showing a uniform front (strangle uniform for this liberal caucus imho)

it seems the senate didn't make it easy for them..

little less than 3 weeks left in lower house discussions is a hearing extension for the last week of june. so earliest we could likely see C45 in effect is labour day. latest 1st half 2019 (likely second quarter)

unless any of these amendments go against the liberal core initiative it will be stone wall pushed through and fixed and amended after the fact, there are many that want the frame work ther to work on what they fix the specifics.

I have no doubt they want it done asap. But it doesn't hurt them at all if it drags on into 2019. They will run on it either way. Showing how they are sticking to their promises. Even if it gets held up. C46 is not passing anytime soon. The random breath test is really holding up the bill in the senate right now.
 

Gmack

Member
Full legalization is not expected until August at the earliest. Recreational pot won't be instantly legal once the bill passed both houses. As currently written, the bill stipulates the law does not come into force until a date fixed by an order of the governor-in-council — Trudeau's cabinet. I guess that will be about October, and certainly not before Bill C-46 comes into effect. Without a DUI solution and technological mini leap, acceptable to the courts, that's a tough one.
And that's being very optimistic with that aug time line.
 

Gmack

Member
Loophole :woohoo:

Pursuant to S. 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada if somebody called you crazy one time. You may be able
to grow and smoke all you want now. If your like on a Government disability like ODSP in Ontario for some
type of mental disorder it may be a given. Heck if you have a disability check every month that means a
doctor said your were probably mental. So it could be a go man go.

This could be like diplomatic immunity for you now. :laughing:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-16.html
They'll lock your ass up if you succeed in using that defense. Mental hospital till they say your sane. Just pay the yearly fee clinics charge and don't ever admit your fucknig nuts to anyone. Your rights get severely diminished if they find you unfit.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
[snip]
According to the House's order paper, the changes the government plans to reject include:

  • Affirming the provinces' right to ban home cultivation of marijuana.
  • Banning branded promotional items such as T-shirts and hats that display logos of marijuana producers.
  • Establishing a public registry of all cannabis companies' directors, officers, controlling parent corporations or trusts, and their directors, members and shareholders.

The House still has to debate and vote on the plan in the coming days. Then C-45 will return to the Senate, where senators will have to decide whether to give up their fight to make these changes.
[/snip]

Home grows will fall. Promotional items will fall. And the registry? It's totally ridiculous, if not illegal, and will also fall. If they are serious about the registry, they should add the Quebec construction industry to it.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
Ah... The C-46 plot thickens at the same time.

Senate defeats a bid to restore mandatory roadside screening to impaired driving bill
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-mandatory-roadside-screening-1.4703429

[snip]
...
The Senate has voted down an attempt to restore mandatory roadside testing to the government's impaired driving bill, gutting the Liberal government's legislation and effectively daring MPs to defy senators.
...

The Senate's legal and constitutional affairs committee had already removed the most controversial provisions in the bill after hearing warnings from legal experts that the courts could find mandatory testing to be unconstitutional.
...
[/snip]
 

Gmack

Member
Ah... The C-46 plot thickens at the same time.

Senate defeats a bid to restore mandatory roadside screening to impaired driving bill
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-mandatory-roadside-screening-1.4703429

[snip]
...
The Senate has voted down an attempt to restore mandatory roadside testing to the government's impaired driving bill, gutting the Liberal government's legislation and effectively daring MPs to defy senators.
...

The Senate's legal and constitutional affairs committee had already removed the most controversial provisions in the bill after hearing warnings from legal experts that the courts could find mandatory testing to be unconstitutional.
...
[/snip]
If mandatory roadside testing for alcohol is out so is mandatory road side drug testing. Can't have one but not the other. Fuck the saliva test.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
In all but the most severe cases, if the courts won't force a drug saliva of hair follicle test on an abusive parent because it's too intrusive, then I doubt this would fly either. It's a dead horse, if not now, then when it's challenged.
 
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