Hi All,
Two of my plants are nearing death after a treatment with Imidacloprid to take care of root aphids; the two largest of my 8 plants in my waterfarm 8 pack hydro are now extremely droopy, to the point of dying (I don't know if they are already dead).
I will summarize the details at the end and include pictures (before/ after).
For details please read below. Please help me figure out how this happened and if I can fix my plants, any help will be greatly appreciated!
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I am fairly new to hydro, I only have one other small hydro grow under my belt in an 8 pack Drip/DWC Waterfarm and luckily during that grow I did not get a case of root aphids, just fungus gnats which I took care of with gnatrol. All of those plants were pretty healthy and did not exhibit any serious problems, so I know it has to be related to this treatment I did. (The Jack Herrer I'm now having trouble with is cloned from the previous hydro grow)
After doing research , I came across user spleebale's post where he states: "I HIGHLY recommend Bayer Total Insect Control at 30-45 mL/gal (equiv to 15-22 mL/gal T&S). At this dose it seems to immediately kill any aphids that cannot quickly fly away.Bayer tree & shrub dosage between 1-5 tsp / gal (4 tsp for heavy dosage, 1 tsp recommended)". I couldn't find any product named "Total Insect Control", and "Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer" had the same ingredients as spleebale described, so I purchased it and assumed it is the same ingredient as spleebale discusses "complete insect killer" in other posts.
I had discovered root aphids in one of my "The White" clones when I was adjusting the height of my airstones in the buckets, and came on ICMag to look up a solution to this problem. The root aphids were quite numerous but seemed to be confined to only one plant, the back left one - I could not find a root aphid in any of the other rootballs.
I decided to drain the entire waterfarm system after the root aphid infection and treat solely with Imidacloprid mixed with RO water and hygrozyme (to clean out the dead bugs & roots) for a day or two, then flush, then feed a lower dose of Imidacloprid mixed in with the regular nute solution.
So, I drained the system, then mixed up a 12 gallon batch of water with Bayer Complete Insect Killer (with Imidacloprid @ .72% and B-Cyfluthrin @ .36%) at 40 mL/gal, so 12*40 = 480 milliliters. I also put in 10 mL/gal of hygrozyme, 120ml and then pH adjusted to 6.0.
The nutrient solution was quite thick, and I stirred it up and it smelled pretty potent. I tested it with an EC meter and it was still at 0 PPM. I then put it into my reservoirs and flooded the waterfarm buckets with the solution, and turned on the drip rings.
When I turned on the airstones in the bucket, the solution bubbled up so much it was like a bubble bath. In the infected plant, I saw tons of dead aphids floating to the surface, so I know the Imid worked and killed them on contact. I had to leave the airstones off because too much of the solution leaked out, I just left the drip rings on. A few of the aphid bastards somehow managed to escape and were crawling away and I crushed them with my finger.
I left the Imid solution running for roughly 22 hours and stopped it early because the two Jack Herrers were starting to get really really droopy, but the rest of the plants didn't look as bad. After this, I flushed it with flora kleen and RO water @ 6.0 pH, 0 PPM. The two JH plants still have continued to get worse and I fear they may die very soon.
These two were the biggest Jack Herrer I had, the other plants in there seem like they are doing much better than these two Jack Herrers, including the "The White" that I discovered with a case of Root Aphids.
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Treatment:
I mixed RO water with 40 ml/gal Bayer complete insect killer (with Imidacloprid @ .72% and B-Cyfluthrin @ .36%), 10 ml/gallon Hygrozyme, pH adjusted.
PH: 6.0
PPM: 0
Temps: 80-86
Water Temps: 70-75
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I have included pictures with this post from before the Imid treatment, the Imid bubbling up with airstones, and now the droopy plants.
Please help me:
- Figure out how to save these plants if possible
- Why this happened, and how to prevent it again (I plan on treating new clones I get from dispenseries with imid to protect against root aphids)
Thank you so much for any help you can give!
-Bud Bundy
Two of my plants are nearing death after a treatment with Imidacloprid to take care of root aphids; the two largest of my 8 plants in my waterfarm 8 pack hydro are now extremely droopy, to the point of dying (I don't know if they are already dead).
I will summarize the details at the end and include pictures (before/ after).
For details please read below. Please help me figure out how this happened and if I can fix my plants, any help will be greatly appreciated!
---------------------------------------
I am fairly new to hydro, I only have one other small hydro grow under my belt in an 8 pack Drip/DWC Waterfarm and luckily during that grow I did not get a case of root aphids, just fungus gnats which I took care of with gnatrol. All of those plants were pretty healthy and did not exhibit any serious problems, so I know it has to be related to this treatment I did. (The Jack Herrer I'm now having trouble with is cloned from the previous hydro grow)
After doing research , I came across user spleebale's post where he states: "I HIGHLY recommend Bayer Total Insect Control at 30-45 mL/gal (equiv to 15-22 mL/gal T&S). At this dose it seems to immediately kill any aphids that cannot quickly fly away.Bayer tree & shrub dosage between 1-5 tsp / gal (4 tsp for heavy dosage, 1 tsp recommended)". I couldn't find any product named "Total Insect Control", and "Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer" had the same ingredients as spleebale described, so I purchased it and assumed it is the same ingredient as spleebale discusses "complete insect killer" in other posts.
I had discovered root aphids in one of my "The White" clones when I was adjusting the height of my airstones in the buckets, and came on ICMag to look up a solution to this problem. The root aphids were quite numerous but seemed to be confined to only one plant, the back left one - I could not find a root aphid in any of the other rootballs.
I decided to drain the entire waterfarm system after the root aphid infection and treat solely with Imidacloprid mixed with RO water and hygrozyme (to clean out the dead bugs & roots) for a day or two, then flush, then feed a lower dose of Imidacloprid mixed in with the regular nute solution.
So, I drained the system, then mixed up a 12 gallon batch of water with Bayer Complete Insect Killer (with Imidacloprid @ .72% and B-Cyfluthrin @ .36%) at 40 mL/gal, so 12*40 = 480 milliliters. I also put in 10 mL/gal of hygrozyme, 120ml and then pH adjusted to 6.0.
The nutrient solution was quite thick, and I stirred it up and it smelled pretty potent. I tested it with an EC meter and it was still at 0 PPM. I then put it into my reservoirs and flooded the waterfarm buckets with the solution, and turned on the drip rings.
When I turned on the airstones in the bucket, the solution bubbled up so much it was like a bubble bath. In the infected plant, I saw tons of dead aphids floating to the surface, so I know the Imid worked and killed them on contact. I had to leave the airstones off because too much of the solution leaked out, I just left the drip rings on. A few of the aphid bastards somehow managed to escape and were crawling away and I crushed them with my finger.
I left the Imid solution running for roughly 22 hours and stopped it early because the two Jack Herrers were starting to get really really droopy, but the rest of the plants didn't look as bad. After this, I flushed it with flora kleen and RO water @ 6.0 pH, 0 PPM. The two JH plants still have continued to get worse and I fear they may die very soon.
These two were the biggest Jack Herrer I had, the other plants in there seem like they are doing much better than these two Jack Herrers, including the "The White" that I discovered with a case of Root Aphids.
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Treatment:
I mixed RO water with 40 ml/gal Bayer complete insect killer (with Imidacloprid @ .72% and B-Cyfluthrin @ .36%), 10 ml/gallon Hygrozyme, pH adjusted.
PH: 6.0
PPM: 0
Temps: 80-86
Water Temps: 70-75
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I have included pictures with this post from before the Imid treatment, the Imid bubbling up with airstones, and now the droopy plants.
Please help me:
- Figure out how to save these plants if possible
- Why this happened, and how to prevent it again (I plan on treating new clones I get from dispenseries with imid to protect against root aphids)
Thank you so much for any help you can give!
-Bud Bundy