This is the biggest El Niño on record, and a killer La Niña is coming

[EasyGoing]

Someone was referencing the el Nino of 2015 as an example of how 'they got it wrong' by predicting how disastrous it would be.

The el Nino of 2015 was disastrous. Quote from wikpedia:

The 2014–16 El Niño event influenced tropical cyclone activity around the world, where it contributed to record breaking seasons in the Central Pacific and Australian tropical cyclone basins. By contrast, it limited Atlantic hurricane activity, producing strong vertical wind shear, increased atmospheric stability, stronger sinking motion and drier air across the tropical Atlantic.[38] The Central Pacific basin saw its most active tropical cyclone season on record with 16 tropical cyclones recorded during 2015.[38][39] Within the Southern Hemisphere, the El Niño pushed tropical cyclone activity in the South Pacific Ocean eastwards, with activity flourishing near Vanuatu, Fiji and Tonga

And the impact:
The El Niño event affected millions of people around the world, including in Africa, Central America, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands.[48] These effects included below or above-average rainfall, flooding, increased food insecurity, higher malnutrition rates and devastated livelihoods.[48] The El Niño event also contributed to the Earth's warming trend, with 2014 and 2015 being two of the warmest years on record.[49][50][51] Over 60 million people face hunger, malnutrition in 2016 due to drought effects influenced by ENSO, with Africa worst hit, Indochina facing severe drop in food production, and Ethiopia counting 10 million people at risk.[52]

Pretty sure we already talked about how Wiki is wrong about this. Why did you bring this exact quote back up? Not only did you bring it back up, you singled me out, then quoted the same nonsense......... This is why the global warming argument never goes anywhere

At least you quoted the source, so there is that.

https://wxshift.com/news/blog/el-nino-predictions-what-went-wrong-in-2014


https://phys.org/news/2015-12-nasa-global-impacts-el-nino.html
Biggest impact should be rainfall in California in 2016.......... That didn't happen.........In fact, we were at historic lows. The exact opposite of a wet year..........


Seems even though OldChuck takes this as political, I just question sources like wiki to not be political. When NASA makes predictions on what should happen during an El Nino, calls it the biggest one on record, then none of the predictions come true, I question it. Sorry if you take that as political Chucky.

Just look at the claims from Water...... "These effects included below or above-average rainfall, flooding, increased food insecurity, higher malnutrition rates and devastated livelihoods.[48] The El Niño event also contributed to the Earth's warming trend, with 2014 and 2015 being two of the warmest years on record."

Well, lets disprove the last bit of nonsense...... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...rs-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Which has already been discussed.

Then above and below average rainfall, also known as an overall average........ Flooding, always happens. Increased food insecurity......... Really? I never thought to ask my food how it feels about global warming, but it would answer increasingly it has food insecurity........ Higher malnutrition rates, Nope, best in history........ devastated livelihoods = bullshit again.........

But congrats to Water for copy and pasting without a note of who posted it, or a shred of evidence (wiki)..... O wait, I am getting political again......

 

[EasyGoing]

These hurricanes caused from trump blowing all that smoke out his arse.

Well Texas, third 500 year flooding in the last 15 years. Now a new national flood record. Thank you god.

EG, I do not accept a god that causes weather to punish some and reward others, nor do I accept a god that favors one person or one side on a battlefield. I do recall, however, a bevy of evangelic preachers claiming hurricanes Sandy and Katrina were god's punishment for the mortal sins of the people of those cities. And now they are out again blaming Houston for the devastation due to their homosexual former mayor. Further, I do accept human culpability in the causes of these and many other bad effects we have inflicted on ourselves. Do you understand the word "irony?"

I thought I was the political one? Funny, I bring facts, with sources, and get called political. These guys are pulling for the deaths of people based on political ideology and nobody says anything huh? Even pulling Trump into, somehow blaming him for the hurricane.

Funny how these conversations go. You know you are dealing with a "belief" when people say these kinds of things.

 

[EasyGoing]

List of the most intense tropical cyclones
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In the available records, most tropical cyclones which attained a pressure of 900 hPa (mbar) (26.56 inHg) or less occurred in the Western North Pacific Ocean. The strongest tropical cyclone recorded worldwide, as measured by minimum central pressure, was Typhoon Tip, which reached a pressure of 870 hPa (25.69 inHg) on October 12, 1979.[1] The following list is subdivided by basins. Data listed are provided by the official Regional Specialized Meteorological Centre, unless otherwise noted. On October 23, 2015, Hurricane Patricia attained the strongest 1-minute sustained winds on record at 215 mph (345 km/h).[2]



North Atlantic Ocean[edit]

Hurricane Allen at peak intensity

Hurricane Gilbert at peak intensity

Hurricane Wilma near record strength
The most intense storm in the North Atlantic by lowest pressure was Hurricane Wilma. The strongest storm by 1-minute sustained winds was Hurricane Allen.

Storms which contained a minimum of 925 hPa (27.32 inHg) or less are listed.

Cyclone Season Peak 1-min
sustained winds Pressure
"Cuba" 1924 270 km/h (165 mph) 910 hPa (26.87 inHg)
"Bahamas" 1929 250 km/h (155 mph) 924 hPa (27.29 inHg)
"Cuba" 1932 280 km/h (175 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
"Labor Day" 1935 295 km/h (185 mph) 892 hPa (26.34 inHg)
Janet 1955 280 km/h (175 mph) 914 hPa (26.99 inHg)
Hattie 1961 260 km/h (160 mph) 920 hPa (27.17 inHg)
Camille 1969 280 km/h (175 mph) 900 hPa (26.58 inHg)
David 1979 280 km/h (175 mph) 924 hPa (27.29 inHg)
Allen 1980 305 km/h (190 mph) 899 hPa (26.55 inHg)
Gloria 1985 230 km/h (145 mph) 919 hPa (27.14 inHg)
Gilbert 1988 295 km/h (185 mph) 888 hPa (26.22 inHg)
Hugo 1989 260 km/h (160 mph) 918 hPa (27.11 inHg)
Andrew 1992 280 km/h (175 mph) 922 hPa (27.23 inHg)
Opal 1995 240 km/h (150 mph) 916 hPa (27.05 inHg)
Mitch 1998 285 km/h (180 mph) 905 hPa (26.72 inHg)
Floyd 1999 250 km/h (155 mph) 921 hPa (27.20 inHg)
Isabel 2003 270 km/h (165 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Ivan 2004 270 km/h (165 mph) 910 hPa (26.87 inHg)
Katrina 2005 280 km/h (175 mph) 902 hPa (26.64 inHg)
Rita 2005 285 km/h (180 mph) 895 hPa (26.43 inHg)
Wilma 2005 295 km/h (185 mph) 882 hPa (26.05 inHg)
Dean 2007 280 km/h (175 mph) 905 hPa (26.72 inHg)
Igor 2010 250 km/h (155 mph) 924 hPa (27.29 inHg)
Irma 2017 295 km/h (185 mph) 914 hPa (26.99 inHg)
Source: Atlantic Hurricane Best Track File 1851–2017 [3]

 

[therevverend]

This is why I don't get in pissing matches with people. When I go back and look it says Cyclone Pam was the 2nd worst IN THE HISTORY OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC. You are comparing it to worst cyclones (hurricanes) ever. The article is accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Pam

 

[therevverend]

This is why arguing with random strangers on the internet is a waste of time. And reading threads like this and drawing conclusions from it is a waste of time. By the time I go through and fact check someone's claims, when they can't read a couple paragraphs of a wikipedia article without screwing it up. I could have done something more productive with my life. Like roll a joint.

 

[therevverend]

For anyone who's interested (I'm not particularly) here is the list of most intense tropical storms in South Pacific.

Cyclone Season Peak 10-min
sustained winds Pressure
Oscar 1982–83 205 km/h (125 mph) 920 hPa (27.17 inHg)
Hina 1984–85 220 km/h (135 mph) 910 hPa (26.87 inHg)
Fran 1991–92 205 km/h (125 mph) 920 hPa (27.17 inHg)
Ron 1997–98 230 km/h (145 mph) 900 hPa (26.58 inHg)
Susan 1997–98 230 km/h (145 mph) 900 hPa (26.58 inHg)
Beni 2002–03 205 km/h (125 mph) 920 hPa (27.17 inHg)
Dovi 2002–03 205 km/h (125 mph) 920 hPa (27.17 inHg)
Erica 2002–03 215 km/h (130 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Zoe 2002–03 240 km/h (150 mph) 890 hPa (26.28 inHg)
Heta 2003–04 215 km/h (130 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Meena 2004–05 215 km/h (130 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Olaf 2004–05 215 km/h (130 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Percy 2004–05 230 km/h (145 mph) 900 hPa (26.58 inHg)
Ului 2009–10 215 km/h (130 mph) 915 hPa (27.02 inHg)
Pam 2014–15 250 km/h (155 mph) 896 hPa (26.46 inHg)
Winston 2015–16 280 km/h (175 mph) 884 hPa (26.10 inH

I think they just had one more intense then Winston. Cyclone Donna. She was a bitch. I'd point out that 11 of those storms happened since 2000 and what that implies but I don't want to open that can of worms.
My first question is How do they determine what is the most intense? The worst ones, on the bottom, have a combination of humidity and wind speed that adds up to quite a bit. That's my guess. Which leads to the question, who measures it and where? How accurate?
They have wind, precipitation, and temperatures gauges all over the place I'd assume they're accurate. They have one a half mile from my house. When I check my local weather I get the reading from there. They've installed them all over the place, very useful.
In harvest season I can look at the weather channel page, see the satellite of the storm moving towards my house. And they estimate how long until it hits. Accurate within about 5-10 minutes. Useful when you don't want things sopping wet when you're hauling them in...

 

[EasyGoing]

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[EasyGoing]

This is why I don't get in pissing matches with people. When I go back and look it says Cyclone Pam was the 2nd worst IN THE HISTORY OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC. You are comparing it to worst cyclones (hurricanes) ever. The article is accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Pam

I post up strait information with sources and quotes, and somehow I am miss comparing something......... ok......

My first question is How do they determine what is the most intense? The worst ones, on the bottom, have a combination of humidity and wind speed that adds up to quite a bit. That's my guess. Which leads to the question, who measures it and where? How accurate?

Notice in my post, it answers these questions....... yours didn't. Allow me to repost.........

In the available records, most tropical cyclones which attained a pressure of 900 hPa (mbar) (26.56 inHg) or less occurred in the Western North Pacific Ocean. The strongest tropical cyclone recorded worldwide, as measured by minimum central pressure, was Typhoon Tip, which reached a pressure of 870 hPa (25.69 inHg) on October 12, 1979.[1] The following list is subdivided by basins. Data listed are provided by the official Regional Specialized Meteorological Centre, unless otherwise noted. On October 23, 2015, Hurricane Patricia attained the strongest 1-minute sustained winds on record at 215 mph (345 km/h).[2]

Wiki

How they measure the minimum central pressure is also only a google click away.

 

[EasyGoing]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weat...ory-5-hurricanes-have-ever-hit-u-s/633616001/

Meteorological monsters: Only 3 Category-5 hurricanes have ever hit the U.S.

 

[therevverend]

Well, now we're in a pissing contest again. You say minimum central pressure. The Australian government bureau of meteorology says:

Tropical Cyclone Intensity
Tropical cyclone intensity is defined by the maximum mean wind speed over open flat land or water. This is sometimes referred to as the maximum sustained wind and will be experienced around the eye-wall of the cyclone.
And talks about it some more here:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/about/intensity.shtml
But everyone measures storms differently. That's what I was getting at. But like I said earlier it's not my favorite subject and any monkey with a mouse can find it.
I begin to forget my original purpose and why we're arguing about typhoon strength? Seems pointless...

 

[oldchuck]

Ignore the guy, Rev. That's the only way to make hime go away.

 

[DocTim420]

Troll is a good word.

 

[EasyGoing]

Well, now we're in a pissing contest again. You say minimum central pressure. The Australian government bureau of meteorology says:

So you do know how they take the readings then......? Strange......



You guys calling me a troll for putting up articles about weather in the weather thread? Sad. Must be nice living in a world where only your point of view has merit. Global warming religion, check! Global warming mafia, ckeck!
Global warming dictators, check!

Weather is what I say it is!!!!!!

 

[EasyGoing]

 

[therevverend]

So you do know how they take the readings then......? Strange......

I believe they look at a thermometer...

 

[EasyGoing]

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-change-then-a-real-scientist-shuts-him-down/

 

[therevverend]

Yep used to watch Bill Nye the science guy on Almost Live in Seattle. Came on after SNL in the 80s and 90s. He was just another actor, John Keister was the writer and star of the show. Funny after all this time out of those actors Nye is the one that became rich and famous.
And Lundgren is very smart although I could quote any number of Almost Live jokes making fun of Washington State. Cougs Suck!

 

[therevverend]

Every time I see Bill Nye I get an itch to watch The Lame List on You Tube. So after I wrote the above I flipped over to YouTube. I was shocked I noticed Kim Thayil was one of the Lame List Hessians. Too cool.
Seattle used to be a beautiful place. The Hessians are buried now and the hipsters swarm like maggots.
(edit) Okay, more digging and I found one with all of Soundgarden. Cool not lame!

 

[Robrites]

 

[EasyGoing]

What if..........

What if the world is naturally warmer than we believe, and the great flood is still having effects on the environment. Maybe we are still warming up to Earth natural temps?

That last post is too funny.