naga_sadu
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I'd rather think he did as ugly as any, if not worst. Full civil war during his regime, he just helped to destroy Afghanistan a little more. Also was the head of KHAD, afghan marxist secret police, which suppressed thousands of political oponents.
I haven't been to Afghanistan during the 80s but I'm basing around what many Afghan ppls. have told me here. Mostly taxi drivers. Esp. in Delhi, there are quite a few Afghan cabbies near old khan market. The aggregate consensus seemed to be that during Marxist rule, the basic amneties of life such as TB shots, schooling, airlines, road transport, electricity etc. was there. There was no practical restriction of movement. The progressive governments which have taken Afghanistan, starting from the Taliban have destroyed infra or neglected it. Medical services vanished. Skilled labour was almost sliced. There was no infra. And now, there is a war and clowns such as Hamid Karzai have taken seat.
People of Hamid Karzai's caliber would just showcase some scenes of struggle in some newsmedia, cry for international help, get the aid, and waste it on crap such as drug wars, crop subsititution programmes, building cellphone towers etc. etc. In short, they're pakka elitists + rotate money w/ MNC elites.
The dudes I've talked to say that Najibulla was not the most kind hearted soul to stalk Afghan lands but they seem to favour him heavily over Karzai and the Taliban. When I ask why, they simply say that because at least some bare infra was there. Example you still had a well established water works which gave free access to clean water. You could immunise your child w/ tetinis shots etc w/o probs etc. Next time you hop into Delhi, go to old khan market and talk to a few Afghan cabbies. And yes- most of them smoke... But I have 0 personal experience in Afghanistan, tho.
Hmmm, not really. opium production was curbed only for one single year during taleban regime, and not that much. And in many places (mostly Shinwari people), they actually paid the farmers for them not to grow poppies. THe year after it rose to more than 4000tons if I remember.
Taleban made LOADS of money thanks to opium/heroin production, lots ! They used to apply the traditionnal tax system called ochor. farmers give thre parts of the crops, one is given back to the village for elderly and disabled people, 2 they keep. But for opium was different, as theywere getting 12.5% of the crop for them. It was the resold to heroin laboratories. Tax on heroin was about 70$ per kilo. for transport, 250$ per kilo. All in all, about 75 million $ per year for the whole country.
Very well said! Exactly that, and the farmers who've had their crops burnt were the ones who weren't paying the cut to the local Taliban commanders. It's always backsheesh. Be it Kullu or be it in Jalalabad. Wow, at least we all share something in common....
My criticism of the Soviet Union was directed at its tendency to behave like any other imperialist power on the world area
I beg to disagree. But I will agree that they did do some pretty unnecessary shit in world affairs. But their conduct in Asia was FAR superior to the conduct of NATO powers. Countries that were under their tutelage were by no means "rich"- as in having a few multistory malls w/ 10000 neon lights, decorated roads, Bentley cars, Emporio Armani botiques etc.
But life in the societies which chose the USSR was alot better, qualitatively. As in there was no garbage. Look at Laos. Just read the article on Laos which Gypsy Nirvana showed. When Laos was still a Socialist Republic there was no such bogus crocodile shit going on like what's happening today. Laos is heading down the crapper, in terms of sanity. And yes, in Laos when it was still Socialist, you didn't have fancy looking hospitals, but the traditional medicines were widely used. Laos was an agro society and so didn't industrialise much, but the Soviets didn't impose Moscovich style industrialisation on them. So they could use natural resources freely. They had a free land use act. Look at it now...
Their new "corporate" partners insist on giving them aid and then get back the fucking money with compound interest by making them waste it on shit like a drugs war. Under corporate pressure (for the so called bogus "foreign direct investment") the free land use act is also scrapped and now many medical practicioneers who use traditional medicine to treat the sick have also been forced to wrap under this bullshit new "medical quality regulation" act (dont remember the name exactly) which is nothing but a way to shut these guys down to make way for alopathy supplying pharmaceutical MNCs.
They then put some 2-3 good looking "hospitals" and "medical shops" in cities such as Vientenne and they say thru the media that they're contributing to the development of Laos. This is bullshit. MNC money only gets rotated between the MNC and the local elite. The "world class" hospitals constructed under corporate help are for the most part redundant to 99% of the population. The ones living in the villages far off can't get to it because of geographical distance. Even for the ones living in the city where it's being built, the prices will be outside the wallet of a common man/ gal. Of course, the parlamentarians who approve the MNC entry get huge backsheesh.
This is daylight robbery. While the Soviets had their black spots in history, by and large they didn't blatantly cheat their allies this way- especially the poorer ones. And they didn't bully their allies (except for Hungary and Afghanistan).
For example, India gets its LPG from Quatar. The price is skyhigh due to shippng + distance. The easiest bet would be to construct a pipeline connecting Iran to India via Pakistan. All of our governments agreed but 2-3 NATO powers bullied our governments out of it. To compound matters, they established a base of operation in Afghanistan and hinted on numerous times that the pipeline a "legitimate target" in case of a war w/ Iran.
In essence the NATO powers involved are denying cheap gas for over 2 billion people. The needs of 2 billion people are a legitimate cause for a pipeline. If NATO has a problem w/ Iran, let NATO not do business with them. The tendency to dictate what their allies should do is equal to treating them like slaves. In the same time, NATO powers do trade w/ 2 enemies all the time. For example, the NATO powers do trade with India as well as with Pakistan, but neither government raised this as an issue at any given point.
The USSR never did any sort of that garbage. We had a military alliance w/ them and we still bought harriers from the UK and Sepecat Jaguars from France. We didn't join the warsaw pact, we formed our own bloc- NAM- which an Eastern European country (Yugoslavia) joined and a Soviet ally (Nasser's Egypt) joined. The Soviets never objected. And our economic plan was very different to what the Soviets had in mind. But this never raised even a hair of objection...
And lastly, I'd like to touch on the drug war, considering this is the topic. The Soviets never pushed a drug war on Laos. The Socialist government in Laos coulda easily drawn up an excuse for the drug war. That the anticommunist movement was racking up $$$ thru drugs. But they never did. And left the people alone, which by today's standards seems to be a saintly virtue in world affairs.
Neither did the Soviets push a drug on India. And neither did they on Cambodia and Vietnam. NATO powers does this all the time. True, there are some forward thinkers within NATO but they usually, more often than not, end up taking the back seat. The closer a country gets to the major NATO powers, the crappier everything (including the drug scene) becomes for the majority. And you start seeing retarded crackheads such as Thaksin Shinawatra becoming heads of states...
In short, the Soviet conduct was better not because the Soviet people were better than NATO people, but because their economic system wasn't run under corporate capitalism aka. elitism.
We start to approach a concensus here; that a fundamental reading of the Quran only serves those who manipulate the Muslim communities with religion.
I'm glad we reached a consensus. The same thing was done to tarnish Christianity's image during the inquisition period. Except that today, we have means for global communications- thru forums like these. We should (at least in my opinion) use such tools, which have been generously given to us free of cost, to bridge rifts rather than increasing rifts between people. Because the bridge destroyers are only out there to look out for themselfs and couldn't care a rat's ass about me or you...or anyone else for that matter.
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