The traitor within?

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It's an oxymoron to be an anarchist country. By definition an anarchist country would be a country without a centralized government and according to the Montevideo convention to be recognized as a country you need a central government. There are however, many many anarchist based communities. Spain has a long history of Anarchy.



To be a true anarchist, in the original sense of the word, you have to believe that government is not only unnecessary but harmful to mankind. Combining this with socialized ideals defeats the purpose of believing in anarchy so aligning anarchy with any political ideals negates the original philosophy.

Anarchism isn't the lack of government, it's the lack of hierarchy. Pure, direct democracy with no leaders, and no bosses, just citizens all on equal footing.

Another name for Anarchism is 'Libertarian Socialism':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

 

[Rodehazrd]

Remember when they had him about the Russians? POOF!

Remember Comey? POOF!

Remember when Cohen made a deal that would take down Trump? POOF!

Remember when Cohen's lawyer said they had Trump but then he was mistaken about what Cohen knew? POOF!

Remember when Manafort was guilty and Trump was going down? POOF

Remember when Woodward wrote a book and it was Trump's end but then everybody he mentioned denied they said it? POOF!

Now the NYT editorial. Next few days... POOF.

Just another clutching at straws thread. The left crying like babies. It is fun to watch and read. Cry me a river guys. There is definitely going to be 6 more years of Trump. Canada, Europe and China will be on their knees begging to make deals with the USA.

Mexico is coming around. Canada is cracking and ready to deal. Before the end of the year Canada will be on her knees begging to join the new NAFTA. China is up in arms towards their leader and ready to deal. They will crack before winter ends. Europe is fading and the economy stinks. They will relent after Canada caves in and makes a fair deal with the USA.

The good news is there will be some fake news stories to make you temporarily feel better next week. But November will eventually come around and the democrats will lose more elections and the Trumpsters will start getting ready to reelect Trump.

Six more years of Trump. Eventually the lacrimal glands of the left will run dry. I look forward to the silence.

Well I don't think all those things went poof I was around for the tricky dick years and a lot of the people thought he was great till the truth started to catch up with him. Deep throat himself publicly denied being deep throat. Commander bone spur will bring himself down sooner than later.

 

[packerfan79]

most of the mass shootings and crimes ive seen lately, not to mention alllllll the tweakers meth heads heroin junkies robbers, thieves, rapist, murderers, politicians, liars, anti cannabis people...they are white dudes

when i was locked up, it wasnt full of muslims or transgender people, it was a fuck ton of loser ass punks, looked just like the president and the last 40 of them..get off your white high horse and live in reality...

Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago in 2017. How many were shot by white people? Very few. This is in a city with the strictest gun control in the nation.

Blacks commit to vast majority of murders in this country, even though they only make up around 15 % of the population. If you want to play the race card, your only going to embarrass yourself.

Transgender people are mentally ill. Indulging them, is harmful to them and society at large. That being said if they want to loop of their tally wacker, I have no problem with it. Don't use my tax dollars to do it.

 

[packerfan79]

Anarchism isn't the lack of government, it's the lack of hierarchy. Pure, direct democracy with no leaders, and no bosses, just citizens all on equal footing.

Another name for Anarchism is 'Libertarian Socialism':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Libertarianism and government theft by force(socialism) are not compatible. It's an oxymoron.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I do not like labels but pretty sure our country robs us dailly.

Stupid labels are half of whats wrong. Start acting like a good species that respects all its members. Get over stupid labels. If you are a person with power or money and you use it to advance yourself while lowering someone elses quality of life someone should take away your wealth and power. Regardless of which crooks you stand behind.

 

[packerfan79]

I do not like labels but pretty sure our country robs us dailly.

Stupid labels are half of whats wrong. Start acting like a good species that respects all its members. Get over stupid labels. If you are a person with power or money and you use it to advance yourself while lowering someone elses quality of life someone should take away your wealth and power. Regardless of which crooks you stand behind.

Agreed, the labels are a problem. We also need to get away from the zero sum bullshit. Just because I have something, doesn't mean I took it from someone else. People can create wealth. People act as if their is a set amount of money, and what 1 person gets another must lose that money. If you want more get out their and make it happen. To many sit on their hands and complain about what they don't have. Instead of expanding their skill set, education, and motivation are key to a better life.

Their is plenty of good paying work out there. It might be hard labor. I got a buddy who took a job in west Texas, working on a oil rig, 14 days on 14 days off close to a 100k a year. This is with no experience. Its about what are you willing to do to make the money you want. Real men are a thing of the past. Any millennials want to storm the beaches of Normandy, watching half their friends blown to bits. Naw I am thinking that's not happening.

The living wage/minimum wage argument is stupid. Should a burger flipper make the same money as a man busting his ass 12 hours a day in 120 degree heat. Nope , you want more do more. Should a man who risk his life building a 100 story building, make the same as a kid at Taco Bell, Nope.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I could not work for any oil company I am aware of and still look at myself in the mirror each day. The system that think we need to profit off the destruction of our planet is outdated and dangerous. They are a fine example of people profiting of the lowering of the quality of life of others. They destroy my water, air and soil. And show no respect for anything. I do not think their employees deserve another suv. In fact they should go volunteer for a farm or homeless shelter and give back some of what they have taken. A real economy should be based on the health and quality of life it creates for others. Personally I like trees and clean air more than the smell of burnt fuel and river you cannot drink from.

 

[packerfan79]

I could not work for any oil company I am aware of and still look at myself in the mirror each day. The system that think we need to profit off the destruction of our planet is outdated and dangerous. They are a fine example of people profiting of the lowering of the quality of life of others. They destroy my water, air and soil. And show no respect for anything. I do not think their employees deserve another suv. In fact they should go volunteer for a farm or homeless shelter and give back some of what they have taken. A real economy should be based on the health and quality of life it creates for others. Personally I like trees and clean air more than the smell of burnt fuel and river you cannot drink from.

If you really believe that then stop using oil. No more electricity, natural gas, plastic. Stop eating food grown on farms, tractors use oil.

Fossil fuels have raised the quality of life for billions of people.

Do you get to tell the family in Africa they don't deserve electricity?

Do you get to tell the Canadian family, you get to freeze to death? No wood for heat, no natural gas, no propane.

You can virtue signal all you want, but we live in the real world. The real world where your fantasy, cost people their lives Their are real world consequences. If you don't properly manage the forest, through logging you get devastating wildfires like we get in California. Now they are passing the cost on to electricity customers.

By all means keep virtue signaling, and your life and everyone else's will become worse. But hey, you made a difference, not a positive difference, but a difference.



For a person who lives in the lap of luxury, to talk down about fossil fuels is incredibly condecending.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Oil is not itself wrong. The way we waste it and allow some of the worst humans to profit and control us is astonishingly stupid. We have sustainable options. Lay off half the military and we can afford to switch now. The love of unchecked consumption fuels and allows this to keep happening.

 

[packerfan79]

Oil is not itself wrong. The way we waste it and allow some of the worst humans to profit and control us is astonishingly stupid. We have sustainable options. Lay off half the military and we can afford to switch now. The love of unchecked consumption fuels and allows this to keep happening.

Their are no sustainable options that won't cause mass shortages worldwide. The technology doesn't exist yet. I am all for sustainable options. Just not at the cost of people's lives. We should be encouraging people like Elon Musk, not freaking out because he hit a freaking blunt. Their are extremely rich people who deserve every dollar they have and more. They deserve it because they employ thousands of people. They create new wealth and technology that betters all lives.

Demonizing everyone who works in fossil fuels is disengenuious ar best. I have a sneaking suspicion that the difficulty of the work in the oil industry, is the real reason why you "couldn't" work their.

As far as the military, we would have to get out of NATO. I think we should be working on eliminating waste in government and especially military. I would shrink the size of the military, but mainly the bureaucracy of it.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I pretty much agree with you. I just think the pace at which we are moving toward sustainable living is far to slow and the voice of those opposed has become old and redundant. Like Elon said. We need more polititians to be scientists.

 

[packerfan79]

I pretty much agree with you. I just think the pace at which we are moving toward sustainable living is far to slow and the voice of those opposed has become old and redundant. Like Elon said. We need more polititians to be scientists.

Most politicians are lawyers, not exactly a highly respected field

 

[bigtacofarmer]

And the current use of of oil and our ways of extraction are already destroying alot. Many many people can no longer drink the water their ancestors have for thousands of years. Not sure if it equals the same damage as not using it or not.

 

[packerfan79]

And the current use of of oil and our ways of extraction are already destroying alot. Many many people can no longer drink the water their ancestors have for thousands of years. Not sure if it equals the same damage as not using it or not.

A vast majority of the damage you refer to is anti oil propaganda. It's just another tool to control. Environmentalists cause as much damage as they claim to stop. How much damage do massive fires we have here in California, do to the environment? They are a direct consequence to the environmentalist movement. The droughts here again responsibility of the environmentalists.

The vast majority of oil companies, do little to no harm to the environment. Accidents do happen, some due to greed, most probably due to incompetence. The elimination of fossil fuels will set society back 200 years.

I personally, would love to get back to a more agrarian life, but I don't get to force my desire on the world. I don't get to tell Africans they get to die from lack of clean water. The money spent on environmentalist pipe dreams, could save millions of lives if we focused on bringing water filtration to the 3rd world. It's not that we don't want a clean environment, it's just misguided. The efficacy of said policies are never studied.


Millionaires get to jet around the world, and virtual signal about oil. Hypocrisy much. It's ok because they buy carbon offsets. They get to live in the lap of luxury because the 3rd world never will.

 

[White Beard]

Packer fan said:

A vast majority of the damage you refer to is anti oil propaganda. It's just another tool to control. Environmentalists cause as much damage as they claim to stop. How much damage do massive fires we have here in California, do to the environment? They are a direct consequence to the environmentalist movement. The droughts here again responsibility of the environmentalists.

The vast majority of oil companies, do little to no harm to the environment. Accidents do happen, some due to greed, most probably due to incompetence. The elimination of fossil fuels will set society back 200 years.

You took notes during brainwashing, I can tell; I’m sure the petroleum industries will not reward you for your fealty.

I particularly like your bit at the end, about how there’s millionaires and then there’s the third world, and you’re right enough in your way: soon the millionaires will have all the 2nd world’s money, and your prophecy will come true. Hope you’re a millionaire already...or I’ll see you in the third world....

 

[Klompen]

Did the environmentalists scuttle the Exon Valdes and cover all those birds and other animals in oil? Did environmentalists raise our global CO2 levels to over 400ppm?

Saying that environmentalists cause as much damage as they claim to stop and claiming that the majority of oil companies do little to no damage to the environmental is beyond the level of delusional.

Environmentalists sometimes screw up, no doubt about it, but the human species is very over-populated. If there weren't 7 billion of us things would be different. Even if there were "only" 100,000,000 of us, we could all go out front of our homes and burn an entire barrel of oil every single day and we'd still pollute less than the world currently does.

 

[packerfan79]

Did the environmentalists scuttle the Exon Valdes and cover all those birds and other animals in oil? Did environmentalists raise our global CO2 levels to over 400ppm?

Saying that environmentalists cause as much damage as they claim to stop and claiming that the majority of oil companies do little to no damage to the environmental is beyond the level of delusional.

Environmentalists sometimes screw up, no doubt about it, but the human species is very over-populated. If there weren't 7 billion of us things would be different. Even if there were "only" 100,000,000 of us, we could all go out front of our homes and burn an entire barrel of oil every single day and we'd still pollute less than the world currently does.

I am sure the forest fires have greatly contributed to the rise in co2 levels. Exxon Valdes oil spill was in 1989. The last major oil spill was in 2010. You make it sound like their is an oil spill every Tuesday. Even if oil was never pulled out of the ground we would still have oil in the ocean. Oil constantly seeps out of the sea floor in California. Probably happens around the world. The Labrea tar pits are nothing more than an oil seep.

I am certainly not opposed to renewable energy. But it's not something the government should be enforcing. I am all for hemp based fuels, paper, plastic, etc. I am not willing to tell others that they get to die because I want to virtue signal. Population control is a very sick proposition, who gets to decide. I don't want to be the person who has to decide who lives and dies. Also anyone who wants to make that decision is undoubtedly a sick person.

As a pot grower, I am quite familiar with the role of co2 in our world. You want lower co2 levels plant more trees, and of course more pot plants. Stop covering the whole damn world in concrete. Stop letting environmentalists demand California waste billions of gallons of water over a dead fish. Then we can plant some damn grass so kids can get off the Nintendo and go out and play. While we are at it, stop letting murderers and rapist off with light sentances, so my kids can go out and play, without me having to worry about sick ducks who want to kill or rape children.

 

[White Beard]

Anarchism isn't the lack of government, it's the lack of hierarchy. Pure, direct democracy with no leaders, and no bosses, just citizens all on equal footing.

Another name for Anarchism is 'Libertarian Socialism':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Another name for it is “warlord semi-states and the return of feudalism”

 

[Ununionized]

Well... yeah.. if you... wanna look at it in the negative I guess you're right, but on the other hand you can pick up a GREAT beachfront property, for way, WAY off the market; in fact you can pick up a nice villa, RIGHT across the gulf there,

for 10 RPGs, 100 warheads for em, and a used Toyota.

Another name for it is “warlord semi-states and the return of feudalism”

 

[Ignignokt]

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt View Post
What does freedom of speech mean to you?
It means you won't be thrown in a cage for speaking out against Muslims, like Mr. Robinson
Do you believe there is a line?
well you don't yell fire in a crowded area. Nothing wrong with so called hate speech though.
If so, who gets to choose where the line is?
If not, can anyone say anything at any time without any consequences?
for the most part, of course someone might end up knocking your teeth out.

You should be able to speak openly. A transgender is a gay person with a mental illness. Many Muslims do believe in the Caliphate and live by Jihad, many rape little boys and marry young girls before they even menstrate. They rape women for not wearing a sheet, even in Western nation's.

Yet they throw people in jail for so called hate speech even though it's true. What's next? They going to say anything slightly right wing is hate speech? Oh wait, that's already being done. Yeah, Europe is still living under tyranny.

ugh