Thanks guys! I'll keep the EC as is and change the Fe:Mn ratio to 2:1. I have sodium molybdate but forgot to add it =[ . What's a safe range ppm wise? 0.05-0.1? I'll see how everything goes with those changes and assess from there.
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The Lounge : Growers Round Table Discussion Thread
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Thanks guys! I'll keep the EC as is and change the Fe:Mn ratio to 2:1. I have sodium molybdate but forgot to add it =[ . What's a safe range ppm wise? 0.05-0.1? I'll see how everything goes with those changes and assess from there.
Ibechillin
Masochist Educator
That was my first thought, thanks Slownickel. I figured they just forgot to write it in and settled towards an uptake issue.
For cannabis the range Im used to seeing is 0.04 - 0.06 ppm Mo with 0.05 being the typical.
Charles Dankens
Well-known member
Hey guys could i get a little help on how to respond to these signs ftom this plant, unkown genetics, 4 weeks into flower.
Indoor, 10 gal recycled peat base, led 18" canopy space.
The cupping is in the center of the plant on fan leaves. The cupped leaves have brown mottling on the leaf underside center vein.
Up top, the twisty action seemed to appear after a dose of humate with biological innoculant.
I surmised i might be copper deficient so i drenched with a 15ppm copper sulfate solution + fulvic and glycine. (4-2).
Otherwise the plant is packed with buds and leaf color is good. Environment is 45-60 rh and 62- 78 temps.
Tyvm
Indoor, 10 gal recycled peat base, led 18" canopy space.
The cupping is in the center of the plant on fan leaves. The cupped leaves have brown mottling on the leaf underside center vein.
Up top, the twisty action seemed to appear after a dose of humate with biological innoculant.
I surmised i might be copper deficient so i drenched with a 15ppm copper sulfate solution + fulvic and glycine. (4-2).
Otherwise the plant is packed with buds and leaf color is good. Environment is 45-60 rh and 62- 78 temps.
Tyvm
SUPER late to the party but I figure I'll share some tissue analysis.
This was week 8, fed bottled nutrients New Millennium. Top leaf
7.67 Al
29.77 B
52778.45 Ca
30.34 Cu
116.85 Fe
2372.5 k
302.54 mg
32.21 mn
4899.4 p
1619.3 s
441.63 si
71.64 zn
12.66 mo
40.4 nitrates
Bottom leaf same plant
20.93 al
42.22 b
73837.06 ca
43.22 cu
165.72 fe
3360.35 k
420.19 mg
45.67 mn
6938.28 p
2313.46 s
411.75 si
101.59 zn
18.37 mo
59.8 nitrates
This was week 8, fed bottled nutrients New Millennium. Top leaf
7.67 Al
29.77 B
52778.45 Ca
30.34 Cu
116.85 Fe
2372.5 k
302.54 mg
32.21 mn
4899.4 p
1619.3 s
441.63 si
71.64 zn
12.66 mo
40.4 nitrates
Bottom leaf same plant
20.93 al
42.22 b
73837.06 ca
43.22 cu
165.72 fe
3360.35 k
420.19 mg
45.67 mn
6938.28 p
2313.46 s
411.75 si
101.59 zn
18.37 mo
59.8 nitrates
Veg plant on salts
top leaf
ND al
30.9 b
55664.78 ca
31.08 cu
121.39 fe
2457.85 k
310.59 mg
33.48 mn
5086.2 p
1690.3 s
114.41 si
74.44 zn
13.12 mo
80.9 nitrates
bottom leaf
ND
36.77
65894.66
37.27
144.17
2895
370.5
39.68
6034.44
1984.47
127.79
88.24
15.52
143
top leaf
ND al
30.9 b
55664.78 ca
31.08 cu
121.39 fe
2457.85 k
310.59 mg
33.48 mn
5086.2 p
1690.3 s
114.41 si
74.44 zn
13.12 mo
80.9 nitrates
bottom leaf
ND
36.77
65894.66
37.27
144.17
2895
370.5
39.68
6034.44
1984.47
127.79
88.24
15.52
143
Hey Ibechillin I'm trying out your ratios at the moment. Just switched to flower. Only thing that's different is the inputs I used, instead of Magnesium Nitrate I used Potassium Nitrate, don't have any Si, and my S is about 97. Micros are a little different but other than that really close! I'll let you know how it goes but after a couple feedings looking good!
Are these a sap analysis or leaf analysis? If they are a leaf analysis, how many different plants did you take leaves from?
These are leaf analysis. That week it was one plant in veg. Tops and bottoms.
Sometimes I do populations and sometimes I do individuals.
Honestly I’m not seeing as large a difference in tissue between bottles and my salt feed as I had expected. Some of these bottles are like 1:1:2.5. And the salts I’m feeding are like 1:0.6:1. Figured I’d see more K in tissue.
Biggest difference is more Ca and less si in tissue.
Noticed the bottled stuff is feeding 3-4x Mo vs my salts but in the tissue they’re the same.
Sometimes I do populations and sometimes I do individuals.
Honestly I’m not seeing as large a difference in tissue between bottles and my salt feed as I had expected. Some of these bottles are like 1:1:2.5. And the salts I’m feeding are like 1:0.6:1. Figured I’d see more K in tissue.
Biggest difference is more Ca and less si in tissue.
Noticed the bottled stuff is feeding 3-4x Mo vs my salts but in the tissue they’re the same.
Which leaf are you sampling?
Big bottom fans vs ones at the top.
Hello GreenintheThumb what are the units of these results? mg/L? Thanks!
Surely they are in mg/l aka ppm.
Yup ppm
M
Mountain Kine
Hit em with some k acetate week 3 and 5.
Boom
Boom
Your N seems terribly low. You sure this was digitized correctly?
I believe the Denver lab doesn’t test for nitrogen only nitrates.
Jidoka they end up having some K problems in flower on the salts. Still trying to get it dialed. I’m not happy with anything. My doctor said it’s a chemical imbalance.
I’ve never had more than 300 ppm mg in any leaves tested. Even if I’m feeding salts or Rx Green or New millennium. I’ve never found k above 0.3% in tissue across all my feeds either. It doesn’t make sense to me.
Jidoka they end up having some K problems in flower on the salts. Still trying to get it dialed. I’m not happy with anything. My doctor said it’s a chemical imbalance.
I’ve never had more than 300 ppm mg in any leaves tested. Even if I’m feeding salts or Rx Green or New millennium. I’ve never found k above 0.3% in tissue across all my feeds either. It doesn’t make sense to me.
Very hard if not down right impossible to get enough Ca into rockwool.
Not sure you are actually testing the correct leaves either...
Cut open a stump. Slice it length wise all the way to the spot where the clone was originally cut. Post the pic.
Your Moms in rock wool too?
I’m in coco sn.
What leaves should I be testing?
More salts testing
veg week5 top and bottom
13.19 13.46 al
83.77 85.5 b
23021.98 23357.73 ca
118.57 121.13 cu
88.41 90.15 fe
3172..41 3191..98 k
271 277 mg
25 25 mn
5624 5764 p
4142 4189 s
795 203 si
57 58 zn
1.89 1.92 mo
65..8 79.8 nitrate
veg week 4 top and bottom
11.12 11.7
70..7 74.26
19241 20630
99 105
74 78
2615 2767
229 241
21 22
4753 4990
3438 3581
158 163
48 50
1..58 1..67
105 381
veg week 4 different cultivar
12.31 13.61
78 86
21387 23753
110 120
82 91
2911 3272
252 279
23 26
5247 5807
3787 4165
173 193
53 58
1.75 1.94
80 474
What leaves should I be testing?
More salts testing
veg week5 top and bottom
13.19 13.46 al
83.77 85.5 b
23021.98 23357.73 ca
118.57 121.13 cu
88.41 90.15 fe
3172..41 3191..98 k
271 277 mg
25 25 mn
5624 5764 p
4142 4189 s
795 203 si
57 58 zn
1.89 1.92 mo
65..8 79.8 nitrate
veg week 4 top and bottom
11.12 11.7
70..7 74.26
19241 20630
99 105
74 78
2615 2767
229 241
21 22
4753 4990
3438 3581
158 163
48 50
1..58 1..67
105 381
veg week 4 different cultivar
12.31 13.61
78 86
21387 23753
110 120
82 91
2911 3272
252 279
23 26
5247 5807
3787 4165
173 193
53 58
1.75 1.94
80 474
All these ones were fed Rx and are in different stages of flowering
Al B Ca Cu Fe K Mg Mn P S Si Zn Mo TOTAL NITRATES
9.71 61.9 16328.17 88.14 65.32 2363.31 202.26 18.73 4166.49 3234.08 124.43 42.23 1.39 13.9
11.78 75.04 19951.41 106.64 79.2 2894.75 244.79 22.72 5039.02 3852.46 152.58 51.21 1.69 26.3
8.99 57.18 15145.23 81.33 60.34 2190.32 186.64 17.31 3851.28 2923.56 116.98 39.03 1.29 177.7
12.05 76.7 20481.25 109.21 81.07 2942.68 250.03 23.23 5176.72 3869.33 159.26 52.35 1.72 15.7
9.32 59.36 16004.95 84.47 62.66 2261.45 193.4 17.97 4000.45 2988.8 124.48 40.5 1.33 17
12.05 76.75 20975.96 109.01 80.95 2936.16 249.18 23.22 5167.5 3859.36 163.85 52.33 1.72 30.7
10.72 68.19 18598.64 96.63 72 2651.21 221.76 20.65 4588.89 3404.38 148.18 46.54 1.53 30.6
11.79 75.12 20556.5 106.67 79.15 2864.35 243.9 22.72 5070.82 3652.15 165.78 51.21 1.69 85.4
10.26 65.32 17758.62 92.58 68.85 2496.51 211.52 19.76 4396.52 3178.96 146.77 44.54 1.47 55.8
12.08 76.83 21057.73 108.94 80.95 2892.19 248.92 23.26 5168.41 3801.3 178.92 52.44 1.72 56.9
11.61 74.08 19511.29 105.6 78.23 2859.11 242.67 22.42 4983 3846.34 147.31 50.54 1.67 294.4
10.95 69.93 18105.55 99.85 73.69 2684.8 228.99 21.14 4711.16 3708.76 137.43 47.66 1.58 25.2
Al B Ca Cu Fe K Mg Mn P S Si Zn Mo TOTAL NITRATES
9.71 61.9 16328.17 88.14 65.32 2363.31 202.26 18.73 4166.49 3234.08 124.43 42.23 1.39 13.9
11.78 75.04 19951.41 106.64 79.2 2894.75 244.79 22.72 5039.02 3852.46 152.58 51.21 1.69 26.3
8.99 57.18 15145.23 81.33 60.34 2190.32 186.64 17.31 3851.28 2923.56 116.98 39.03 1.29 177.7
12.05 76.7 20481.25 109.21 81.07 2942.68 250.03 23.23 5176.72 3869.33 159.26 52.35 1.72 15.7
9.32 59.36 16004.95 84.47 62.66 2261.45 193.4 17.97 4000.45 2988.8 124.48 40.5 1.33 17
12.05 76.75 20975.96 109.01 80.95 2936.16 249.18 23.22 5167.5 3859.36 163.85 52.33 1.72 30.7
10.72 68.19 18598.64 96.63 72 2651.21 221.76 20.65 4588.89 3404.38 148.18 46.54 1.53 30.6
11.79 75.12 20556.5 106.67 79.15 2864.35 243.9 22.72 5070.82 3652.15 165.78 51.21 1.69 85.4
10.26 65.32 17758.62 92.58 68.85 2496.51 211.52 19.76 4396.52 3178.96 146.77 44.54 1.47 55.8
12.08 76.83 21057.73 108.94 80.95 2892.19 248.92 23.26 5168.41 3801.3 178.92 52.44 1.72 56.9
11.61 74.08 19511.29 105.6 78.23 2859.11 242.67 22.42 4983 3846.34 147.31 50.54 1.67 294.4
10.95 69.93 18105.55 99.85 73.69 2684.8 228.99 21.14 4711.16 3708.76 137.43 47.66 1.58 25.2
