Spoken so eloquently DarwinsBullDog... Now I hope people reconsider who or what it is they are really hating on after reading your thoughtful post. Thousands upon thousands of years.
Strain Hunters - Greenhouse Seeds Co.
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Spoken so eloquently DarwinsBullDog... Now I hope people reconsider who or what it is they are really hating on after reading your thoughtful post. Thousands upon thousands of years.
K guys searched high and low.. It is definitely not out. Just the trailer. I guess I'll keep waiting for this one. Also there are no links or info as to whether you can buy it so it's not even up for sale. Just not out yet.. Arghh... This shit is just like National Geographic. I love it!! You can be the most anti cannabis individual and still enjoy this show for the wealth of information on a plant that was around during the stone age..
gkn
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White Widow is a work of Shantibaba, breeder of Mr. Nice Seeds. He said that GH's breeder has never seen the original parents of WW, wich are a Brazilian Manga Rosa and an Indian strain i don't remember now. So if that's their 'flagship strain' you get an idea of why some people don't like them...It's true most of what they sell is somebody else's work, but sadly that is true for most of the seed banks out there.
I think this 'Strain Hunters' dvd is nothing but a marketing move. Not one single strain of what they sell has been collected in this trips. Would like to see it if they do in the future but i seriously doubt it.
I'm not a hater and didn't say this with hate, just expressed my point of view so maybe you understand why many people don't like them.
saludos
cheers for the input gkn, i don't know too much about the history but have heard many things along the same lines, and you're right i haven't seen them release anything related to the stuff they've collected which is a little strange, you think you'd take full advantage of those incredible finds. just the idea of going out searching for cultivars was pretty cool, would have some epic adventures! haha but yeah screw the big money cats out there in this business and any others.
aww thanks heaps bun1 
do you know if it'll be uploaded around the same time??
do you know if it'll be uploaded around the same time??
RollmeoneKenobi
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Why doesn't Arjan and Franco travel to Mexico and collect some Mexican Sativas like Highland Oaxacan Gold, Michucon Brown Spears, Guerriero Gold and such. These landraces are not carried by any seedbank I've found (Thanks in no small part to US/Mexican eradication programs)
Lets be honest... this Strain Hunters bullshit is going to kill the cannabis diversity... they are just exploiting some of the last landrace reserves and providing the traditional cultivators with wack feminised and skunks, so no other could get the original landraces!
Thats not cannabis conservationism, thats just how to get more money than others! Fuck GHSCO.
Thats not cannabis conservationism, thats just how to get more money than others! Fuck GHSCO.
in the Strain Hunters Malawi Arjan says that he wants to provide African growers with feminised seed --- just watch the video
fortunately the ganja culture in Africa and Asia has not become Americanised like Mexico and South America, where mafia provide seed and you end up with third rate American/Dutch "skunk" hybrids
this needs checking, but I think in his Indian article, Franco (is that his name? the Italian guy) also mentions giving seeds to people in India --- hopefully they should get annihilated by the monsoon rains in the Himalaya
did he specify that? I don't remember it
either way, thank god that African ganja farmers having to buy feminised seed from Holland every year is not a situation that is ever likely to happen
I have no problem with people genuinely improving many of the vars. grown in Africa, if they are in fact improving them --- take a pure ACE Malawi back to Malawi, sure ---- but the thought of the "improving" Malawi strains by feminising them... christ, as if African farmers don't have enough problems to deal with already
either way, thank god that African ganja farmers having to buy feminised seed from Holland every year is not a situation that is ever likely to happen
I have no problem with people genuinely improving many of the vars. grown in Africa, if they are in fact improving them --- take a pure ACE Malawi back to Malawi, sure ---- but the thought of the "improving" Malawi strains by feminising them... christ, as if African farmers don't have enough problems to deal with already
RollmeoneKenobi
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Plenty of mj pollen flying through the air that will cross pollenate any femmed seed that can actually survive outdoor conditions of Africa and India. Then within a couple of generations it will be bred out.
that's not accurate
if the seeds of the feminised plants are not viable, and they don't get stressed and shed pollen, then it's fine, no damage has been done
but if the seeds can pop, or if the feminised plants get stressed and shed pollen, as they can do, then you have introduced new genetics into the environment
if you think that is not a big deal, then get informed
have a look at what has happened with other old heirloom crops and breeds --- it's not only species in rainforests which are vanishing, heirloom breeds of animals and plants are disappearing around the globe
for example: farm breeds in SE Asia have been lost forever by introducing Western breeds e.g. with local pig breeds in Vietnam --- they become hybridised, and the old breed is diluted out of existence, and only hybrids remain --- the hybrids underperform: they can't handle the conditions, they don't do well on the local diet, they produce inferior meat etc. etc. ... and there is no way to get the old breed back - once gone it is lost forvever
altering the genepool by introducing foreign genetics is a one way street - once you start doing it there is no going back
selective pressures of the local environment will continue to press for plants which do well under local conditions, but once the new genes are introduced, you will never again have the pure varieties --- which have adapted to those locations for millenia and are there in their pure state
like I say, get informed before everywhere ends up with cannabis breeds like Mexico or Colombia with their underperforming hybridised mafia genetic slop --- you have a responisibility not to fuck up genepools which have taken millenia to evolve
GHSCo - Strain Hunters - India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfpgAcSMomQ
Like Africa,, the Himalayas is a big place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfpgAcSMomQ
Like Africa,, the Himalayas is a big place.
A population of indigenous cannabis is not going to hold the same traits and expressions today that it held yesterday. Mutation and other genetic mechanisms are constantly changing cannabis, with or without the help of man introducing another variety into the mix.
Even a population grown for preservation will drift in time. Nothing you can do to preserve what was, with growing populations.
And it is evident that cannabis is always changing -even an indigenous variety that is being cultivated by man is vastly more diverse than most any commercial seed, including poly-hybrids.
All we can really do is collect a snapshot in time of the plant in seed form. Once those seeds are not viable, or they are used as stock for a growing preservation, they are either gone forever or on the road to change.
Many tend to fall into the category of those who look at genetic preservation as something near holy. But, if the plant has a natural tendency to change, are we doing the right thing by even attempting to keeping it as it was?
Perhaps we are worrying more about the ego of man, rather than the holy aura of the plant.... (shrug)
We can already trace the roots of cannabis back to very narrow beginnings, and if we actually were to posses the genesis book of cannabis we would probably find that all are from a common pair.
So it makes sense that nature has spread and changed the genetic map of cannabis from the humble first beginning by beast, man, and elements. All natural things btw, and the actions of each of which are all completely natural. Including each and every move man makes.
Who are we to say that generations down the road there won't be talk amongst a similar group, singing the praises of the time long ago when a fabled olive skinned man brought gifts to the Dark Continent that ended up providing the start of the most beloved cannabis variety to ever grace the planet?
And as far as introducing fem seeds to the mix, there should be more concern about the introducing of regular seeds to an area, if the concern is the mixing of the genetic maps. By my math, there is a 50% increased chance of change when regular seeds are introduced than when feminized seeds are.
There is no genetic differences between the fem seeds and regular seeds, and the ones that have males will change a population faster than fems alone can.
Even a population grown for preservation will drift in time. Nothing you can do to preserve what was, with growing populations.
And it is evident that cannabis is always changing -even an indigenous variety that is being cultivated by man is vastly more diverse than most any commercial seed, including poly-hybrids.
All we can really do is collect a snapshot in time of the plant in seed form. Once those seeds are not viable, or they are used as stock for a growing preservation, they are either gone forever or on the road to change.
Many tend to fall into the category of those who look at genetic preservation as something near holy. But, if the plant has a natural tendency to change, are we doing the right thing by even attempting to keeping it as it was?
Perhaps we are worrying more about the ego of man, rather than the holy aura of the plant.... (shrug)
We can already trace the roots of cannabis back to very narrow beginnings, and if we actually were to posses the genesis book of cannabis we would probably find that all are from a common pair.
So it makes sense that nature has spread and changed the genetic map of cannabis from the humble first beginning by beast, man, and elements. All natural things btw, and the actions of each of which are all completely natural. Including each and every move man makes.
Who are we to say that generations down the road there won't be talk amongst a similar group, singing the praises of the time long ago when a fabled olive skinned man brought gifts to the Dark Continent that ended up providing the start of the most beloved cannabis variety to ever grace the planet?
And as far as introducing fem seeds to the mix, there should be more concern about the introducing of regular seeds to an area, if the concern is the mixing of the genetic maps. By my math, there is a 50% increased chance of change when regular seeds are introduced than when feminized seeds are.
There is no genetic differences between the fem seeds and regular seeds, and the ones that have males will change a population faster than fems alone can.
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