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[Mr. Fantastic]

Okay I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the input. I still am going to be stubborn on topic. I still think they are worthless as breeding stock. Now that I understand the whole XY XX thing a little further I see what you are saying. The female does not inherit the Y chromosome. That said I still would rather work with a standard m/f line because then you have a chance of finding a keeper male for you P1. Also the females may have no difference when all fem but the line is is missing the dna from a father so you can not breed the line further by itself. It is a dead end!

 

[elmanito]

Okay I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the input. I still am going to be stubborn on topic. I still think they are worthless as breeding stock. Now that I understand the whole XY XX thing a little further I see what you are saying. The female does not inherit the Y chromosome. That said I still would rather work with a standard m/f line because then you have a chance of finding a keeper male for you P1. Also the females may have no difference when all fem but the line is is missing the dna from a father so you can not breed the line further by itself. It is a dead end!

This discussion is already talked about it in this thread

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=172064

A pure female XX can not produce any pollen.I made the same mistake as you.

Namaste

 

[dramamine]

I am Nature[/I]"

spare us all the obfuscation and self-justification

if you don't give a shit, then just come out and say "I don't give a shit"

excellent.

 

[sweet-emotion]

here in Argentina we got some serious weed

 

[IndicaFarmer]

Nice imperialist theology shown in this thread. It is pitiful that some still think we can improve an indigenous people by giving them "improved" varieties. It has failed time and time again with genetically altered and commercially bred vegetable seed. Sure, they work great when the people are provided with chemical fertilizers and pesticides, but once the people are left to fend for themselves, the crops fail and they have long since discarded or watered down the gene pool of the native plants.

Malawi Gold as an example does very well in poor soil, as do most sativas. Try growing skunk #1 in African red soil with little or no fertilizer. Native plants are perfectly adapted to their environment, something that can not be improved upon by man.

cannabis and man are intertwined, there are no real wild cannabis populations, just feral and crop cultivation. man shaped cannabis, the cannabis now, even feral population are a man made creation, ofcourse guided by natural selection in the wild populations, wild in the sense that they have been left to do their own thing for a while.

 

[grayeyes]

hello again mrcreosote

well, I didn't see any hyperbole in my post, or anything funny in yours...

so look, who is even talking about "compulsion" - let alone actually trying to "compel" the local farmers to grow anything?

I'm not, and I haven't seen anybody else saying we should either --- nevermind anybody actually trying to

this whole line that attempting to preserve x or y crop or breed (in situ) is "hypocritical neocolonialisam" hinges on this idea that there is some kind of "compulsion of the local farmers" going on...

where? when? by who?

if any compulsion of local farmers goes on, you can be sure that is most likely to be mafia pushing vulnerable indigenous groups to take up growing...

this kind of thing happens all across India these days... and I'm sure in Mexico etc. it happens, and there it is with the mafia supplying growers with hybrid seed

--- the whole direction of the arguments in this thread has just been that outsiders should stop bringing the hybrid seeds in - not the ludicrous idea that people should go out and try to stop local farmers from growing them, or deprive them of the right to make a choice

the whole point has been about persuading people who have access to the full picture to make informed responsible choices --- to think about the longterm consequences of our actions in an honest way

if I'm supporting anything here it is the rights of local farmers, not just now, but fifty years on from now too

how about the future rights of these regions' farmers, if and when legalisation happens, such as the right of these growers to market their product as "Thai", "Oaxacan Gold" etc.?

is "appellation controlle" for cannabis breeds "hypocritical neocolonialism"?

under prohibition it is impossible for cannabis farmers to have any kind of rights - contracts, pensions, unions etc.

but for now they could at least be allowed the right to make an informed decision about what they grow

so where's the real "neocolonialism"?

how many mafia or outsiders who bring in hybrid seed to these regions would provide the farmers with the full picture about the consequences of growing hybrids (if they even understood it, let alone giving a shit about it)?

and then, 50 years from now, when the old breeds will have disappeared into a homogenised polyhybrid slop...

will there even be any point in talking about the rights of farmers in these regions to market their traditional breeds in an appellation controlle system?

so that is what I am talking about - the rights of farmers not to have their regional strains irreparably screwed up by greedy and/or indifferent people

frankly with the combined effect of prohibition and the spread of new hybrids everywhere, it is a losing battle

I'm just surprised that people on these boards will come out and actively defend spreading hybrids...

and that to the point of actually arguing the case with Sam, the man who created Skunk, when he comes out in favour of acting responsibly and not taking hybrids to regions of cannabis biodiversity

Namkha

Angus, it could not have been better said. Thanks!

 

[revegeta666]

And he said it only 11 years ago! How time flies lmao

 

[grayeyes]

And he said it only 11 years ago! How time flies lmao

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