Sorry but unless your adding other intoxicating substances to alcohol like in absinthe or tequila alcohol is just one drug where as cannabis has lots of different cannabinoids.Not so fast Elmer
Sorry, But High THC Cannabis Buds Are Overrated
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Petrochemical
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Why do people's teeth feel like they're floating when they have to pee real bad I wonder, must be a cannabis thing
Switcher56
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@ <1% It is known as a non starter. Chocolope has an interesting high though from what I recall. I had a 1g dab of butter some time ago as in 4 yrs ago.
"Bright-scented beta-caryophyllene may be beneficial for easing inflammation and calming anxiety. Musky myrcene, on the other hand, lends a hypnotic quality to many strains. Its this molecule that is partially responsible for relaxing the muscles and lulling consumers into a dreamy state of mind."
Pretty good description.
When we take the 2 main terpene profiles and have a closer look, we can see why:
- Beta caryophylene
- anti oxidant
- anti inflamation
- muscle spasms
- pain and
- insomnia
- Myrcene on the other hand
- Sedating
- Relaxing
- Boosts THC
- anti-septic
- anti-bacterial
- anti-fungal
- Terpinolene is also found in some lineage. It contains natural healing properties, such as:
- anti bacterial
- anti fungal
- anti insomnia (wow, beta caryophylene and it doing battle, should make for some interesting effects)
- anti proliferation (cancer spread)
- anti oxydant
2 different sides of the house
For clarity, I did not read the article because I have seen it and other's like it. They bred the good juju out in favour of THC. Now they are trying to reverse the damage done, wrt the erradication of the healing propeerties of the plant in favour of THC. It is simply a ship I had no intention of sailing on. 
IMO It's never only about THC. It's the total Cannabinoid profile in specific phenos that helps make up quality weed. IMO some of these cannabinoids have gotten weaker or lost with poor breeding. You can have plants that are lower in THC with other cannabinoids/terps that will be the best weed ever.. Cannabinoids/Terpenes go hand in hand for high quality.
If you are only interested in THC using flowers is prob not for you. Concentrates with added terps will be what you are after.
If you are only interested in THC using flowers is prob not for you. Concentrates with added terps will be what you are after.
Switcher56
Comfortably numb!
The Retail Fallacy: Stop Buying off THC Percentage
I figured to kick things off with a bang, for my first segment of WEIRDOS I wanted to rant about one of the most common fallacies in the California retail marketplace today, though it’s certainly an issue that expands far past our borders. That fallacy, and it’s one I know to be frustrating cultivators the world over, is that cannabis with higher THC percentages is of higher quality, or higher potency, than something with a lower THC percentage. That idea, by every measure, is a bunch of bullshit.
Also, as a quick aside, have you actually SEEN some of these super high THC testing buds in person? You can barely smell them. They might as well be plastic! We’re literally cutting our nose to spite our face here, people.
Part of what makes the cannabis high so magical are the terpene navigators that roll in tow with your cannabinoids. The aromatics, if you will. I’ve heard it best described like this: if the Cannabinoids in the plant are your engine, the Terps are your nav. The problem is, as people have tried to ‘increase the horsepower of their engines’ so to speak, they often lose terp percentages as a byproduct. You wouldn’t let a blind guy drive your Ferrari, right?
Now, lab testing is expensive, so it’s not wholly fair to put the blame on brands for not submitting for these results as well, since as I just mentioned, they’re not required disclosures. From the outside perspective, as a business owner, why would you take on extra expenses, especially with an already thin profit margin, when it’s not required? That doesn’t mean we haven’t seen brands going the extra mile and doing it of course—and I can not stress enough that when it is seen in the wild it should be a clear sign to potential consumers that this brand cares about your experience—but it’s far from the norm right now, and that’s not a big surprise given the way the system is set up today.
“From the grower side I hate it, I have to select genetics based on THC most of the time. The highest THC plant is not [always] the favorite plant in the pheno hunt selection,” He tells me.
“But the lab game… Every lab is different in their selection process to get their sample. Then you have THC numbers varying lab to lab. If you know the lab’s typical process you could find lots of ways to cheat. You get people peppering the sack, throwing kief on the top layer of a bag…” He continued. “You get a bunch of fake numbers in the market.”
So not only are we losing access to genetics with more expressive terp profiles, we’re not always even getting as high of a THC percentage as the label claims? Color me shocked.
“Ultimately THC numbers are so inflated or potentially faked the consumer is basing their purchase on who’s the best cheater.” Keith laments.
(Let it be known that while these are widely known tactics to cheat the game that Keith has provided, Fig Farms flower clearly never needed a peppered sack. I’d gladly stand their flower against anyone else in the world’s.)
So, where possible, your best guide to finding the best high is actually your nose. As you’ve surely heard before, the louder the better. A strong aroma is a sure sign of something powerful, and as long as it doesn’t smell kinda like hay or grass, it’s a great measure of how the bud was prepared post cultivation. While it’s easier to fake the look and feel of quality, it’s much harder to fake the funk, if ya’ smell me.
That said, if your budtender points you to the product with the highest THC and not something with the most interesting nose, or vibrant looking buds, they don’t know what they’re talking about. Simple and plain, but it’s true. Ask them how often they smoke, and what they’ve actually tried in the store. If they don’t have a good grasp of what’s there, respectfully ask if they have a colleague who hangs.
Finally, remember folks, when buying cannabis there are a lot of different reasons for the pricing, several of which have little to do with the original cultivator, so do your best to look past the numbers altogether.
hightimes.com
I figured to kick things off with a bang, for my first segment of WEIRDOS I wanted to rant about one of the most common fallacies in the California retail marketplace today, though it’s certainly an issue that expands far past our borders. That fallacy, and it’s one I know to be frustrating cultivators the world over, is that cannabis with higher THC percentages is of higher quality, or higher potency, than something with a lower THC percentage. That idea, by every measure, is a bunch of bullshit.
High THC Does NOT Guarantee A Stronger High
Now listen, I understand why it’s so easy for consumers and retailers to point to. It seems like basic math! But here’s the cold hard truth: the plants testing the highest for THC will NOT provide you with the best high. This isn’t just a subjective opinion. Remember distillate vape pens, and their ‘diet’ feeling highs? That’s what you’re racing towards when you buy by THC percentage—because ingesting straight THC doesn’t get you super lit, in fact, it’s one of the more boring highs I’ve experienced!Also, as a quick aside, have you actually SEEN some of these super high THC testing buds in person? You can barely smell them. They might as well be plastic! We’re literally cutting our nose to spite our face here, people.
Part of what makes the cannabis high so magical are the terpene navigators that roll in tow with your cannabinoids. The aromatics, if you will. I’ve heard it best described like this: if the Cannabinoids in the plant are your engine, the Terps are your nav. The problem is, as people have tried to ‘increase the horsepower of their engines’ so to speak, they often lose terp percentages as a byproduct. You wouldn’t let a blind guy drive your Ferrari, right?
How Did We Get Here?
Let’s zoom out a bit. This nagging plague dragging down our entire industry is the direct result of poor legislation enacted by a governing body that isn’t entirely sure what it’s doing. The biggest culprit is none other than California’s DOC-required lab testing, which doesn’t require any terpene disclosure whatsoever. While the requirement mandates that brands include both the total THC and CBD percentages, as well as the total cannabinoids, brands are not required to provide the end user with any information about the terp profile of their supposed ‘medicinal’ products. That means that brands aren’t required to even test their products for terpene levels, one of the things we know to be most important to the consumption experience. How can we ever expect to have prescribed experiences if the only real information we’re providing the market is an arbitrary percentage?Now, lab testing is expensive, so it’s not wholly fair to put the blame on brands for not submitting for these results as well, since as I just mentioned, they’re not required disclosures. From the outside perspective, as a business owner, why would you take on extra expenses, especially with an already thin profit margin, when it’s not required? That doesn’t mean we haven’t seen brands going the extra mile and doing it of course—and I can not stress enough that when it is seen in the wild it should be a clear sign to potential consumers that this brand cares about your experience—but it’s far from the norm right now, and that’s not a big surprise given the way the system is set up today.
But Don’t Just Take My Word For It
These shitty requirements aren’t just bad for the end user. It’s limiting the exciting genetics that will ever make it to market. In conversation with one of my favorite cultivators, Keith Healy, the founder of Fig Farms and the recipient of MANY Emerald Cups this year, explained:“From the grower side I hate it, I have to select genetics based on THC most of the time. The highest THC plant is not [always] the favorite plant in the pheno hunt selection,” He tells me.
“But the lab game… Every lab is different in their selection process to get their sample. Then you have THC numbers varying lab to lab. If you know the lab’s typical process you could find lots of ways to cheat. You get people peppering the sack, throwing kief on the top layer of a bag…” He continued. “You get a bunch of fake numbers in the market.”
So not only are we losing access to genetics with more expressive terp profiles, we’re not always even getting as high of a THC percentage as the label claims? Color me shocked.
“Ultimately THC numbers are so inflated or potentially faked the consumer is basing their purchase on who’s the best cheater.” Keith laments.
(Let it be known that while these are widely known tactics to cheat the game that Keith has provided, Fig Farms flower clearly never needed a peppered sack. I’d gladly stand their flower against anyone else in the world’s.)
What You SHOULD Care About
Now, if you’re reading this you’ve undoubtedly heard about ‘the entourage effect’ before, but at the very least you’ve seen me briefly explain the importance of terpenes already. Terpenes are what provide the actual effect of your high, and though the science is still early on specifics for the terpenes we’re interested in, and given that none of it has been certified by the FDA or whoever, we can’t get that far down that rabbit hole yet. However, just like lavender has anti-inflammatory properties (hello linalool), each of these different smells and tastes provides different effects, and those effects differ from person to person, so it really is a trial and error process to finding your thing. That said, it’s one of the less risky trial and error processes out there—worst case you’ll end up a bit paranoid for a bit or with a heavy case of the munchies. You won’t however, ever feel like you can fly, like the propaganda all promised.So, where possible, your best guide to finding the best high is actually your nose. As you’ve surely heard before, the louder the better. A strong aroma is a sure sign of something powerful, and as long as it doesn’t smell kinda like hay or grass, it’s a great measure of how the bud was prepared post cultivation. While it’s easier to fake the look and feel of quality, it’s much harder to fake the funk, if ya’ smell me.
But Jon, I just want the Dank!
Now, I know. Post-COVID very few markets are opening up their jars for you to stick your face in. Some have those puffer boxes, some are skirting the rules and have a sample on display (usually a better example of what the product looks like after being left out for a few days than what it will be fresh), but this is where the budtenders are the most crucial. As your store’s eyes, they should have the most hands-on experience with the floor’s products. Ask ‘em for the stinkiest, or for your favorite aroma if you’re more experienced. It’s hard to trust strain names these days.That said, if your budtender points you to the product with the highest THC and not something with the most interesting nose, or vibrant looking buds, they don’t know what they’re talking about. Simple and plain, but it’s true. Ask them how often they smoke, and what they’ve actually tried in the store. If they don’t have a good grasp of what’s there, respectfully ask if they have a colleague who hangs.
Finally, remember folks, when buying cannabis there are a lot of different reasons for the pricing, several of which have little to do with the original cultivator, so do your best to look past the numbers altogether.
The Retail Fallacy: Stop Buying off THC Percentage
For the first edition of WEIRDOS, our VP of Content kicks off the conversation with a rant on why THC percentages are bullshit, and why you should ignore them. Go buy with your nose!
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Crap is crap whether it's 5% or 35% good is good even if it comes in a brick
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absolutely! some of the best tasting weed i ever had was bricked...
I'm sat smoking my outdoors, but over half the people I know, just push it aside. It's disheartening that they don't even want to try my best weed. I mean seriously, it's disheartening. I have one plant I do in and out, and it's better out. Yet there are people that really rate it indoors, but still won't try the outdoors. It's weed snobbery. What they really want is designer names, not a smoke. It's all names and numbers. I have had to hide my knock down stuff from people on many occasions. To stop them turning to zombies by 11am.
For us that grow, price of our smoke is way down the list of considerations. Strength is a value for money matter that's equally mute. Bag appeal is nice, but it's not an ornament. Taste and effect matter. Of which you want a spectrum of choices in your jars. Having the very strongest is more about bragging rights, than actually wanting to smoke it.
I smoke neat, and enjoy smoking. I really don't need a single wrap ending my day. I remember a coffee shop owner trying to talk me out of buying his African. I could see it was old and overlooked, but I appreciate things like that. It's not all about getting twatted
For us that grow, price of our smoke is way down the list of considerations. Strength is a value for money matter that's equally mute. Bag appeal is nice, but it's not an ornament. Taste and effect matter. Of which you want a spectrum of choices in your jars. Having the very strongest is more about bragging rights, than actually wanting to smoke it.
I smoke neat, and enjoy smoking. I really don't need a single wrap ending my day. I remember a coffee shop owner trying to talk me out of buying his African. I could see it was old and overlooked, but I appreciate things like that. It's not all about getting twatted
one person's garbage is another's gold.. That's what makes Cannabis so special.
Lol, I’ve never had one of my plants tested but they have all gotten me high, so personally I’ve never fallen for the high THC hype.
The biggest prob is those BS numbers these labs toss out. It's a flawed system. Those HIGH numbers mean nothing. In most cases aren't even accurate. I've had others test some of my clones. Firestorm is a good example of the BS, it tested in the top 3 most potent in Cali at the time. Having those numbers is nothing more than a sales gimmick. I've smoked on this many times, it's not what they're claiming it tested at. If it's truly a combined cannabinoids of 39% I got a bridge for sale too lol.
The tests for terps is more interesting for me.
The tests for terps is more interesting for me.
My experience with rec weed in the PNW is that no matter how high the thc, it all is exactly the same. Dried out crumbly buds with no fire whatsoever.
I was dumb enough to buy a 1/8th or whatever for $80... exact same shit as the $12 buds
I'm between crops
Would be interested in learning more about the lack of curing. How is industrial cannabis made?
Crumbly dry never tastes great. Roll one with it and then wet it. Just paint it with a wet finger. See how much better that tastes. The effect is unexpected. Try it with a roach. The same thing happens. Weed tastes better when it's too damp to roll with, but you can wet it afterwards. You can even inhale that dry smoke with a humidifier billowing in your mouth. Try not to drown, but that moisture content is a huge part of flavour. It's why the first bit is the best bit. After that, it's dry. That dryness has a surprising effect of your taste buds.
I have said this a few times, but nobody is likely to try it. Or I'm sure we would be hearing about it a lot more.
I have said this a few times, but nobody is likely to try it. Or I'm sure we would be hearing about it a lot more.
romanoweed
Well-known member
I too can imagine the composition matters for me.
so, how do different Thc /Cbd Ratios matter.
Well, i myselve felt Thai (high Thc, low Cbd) is more like Extroverted, Afghani (High Thc, propper amount Cbd) more introverted.
But i use following descriptions, Thai is better described as a phylosophical mind thing.
And Afghani is more of a Stommage Feel.
Now comes the point, i simply preffere a certain Effect, and all other Effect i like less. I see myselve as having an own Taste
I also seemed to hear out that quiet a few PEople have a Taste. Each person has its own.
I am the Thai type Person definitly.
And if i get the wrong Bud, i get bad sideffects.. And others get bad Sideffects on their unsuited Bud.
What i found out , is that my Sideffects go very much into Depression, one could associate Depression with Introversion right?
Funny is that the Afghani Indica lovers, if they get Sativa, their Sideeffects often are Anxiety, and one could associate Anxiety with extroversion.
See, its funny that the Sideffects manifest in the opposite of a given Persons Taste.
Its so funny cause if i myselve smoke Thai, i would not say that i get anxious, i just wouldnt use this word, i could slightly,, but its almost wrong to say that.. Just a tiny tiny bit..
so, of corse to say that THC percentage matters for all of us is not true..
And even to say a certain Ratio is best for all of us is not true (according what i found out its not).
there may be people who just like to get the highest possible Thc-percentages.
And now comes the tricky part, am i one of them? hahaa, can i say FROM the Thais witn no Cbd, that i like the highest possible Thc Thais?
Because i liked the most Intense thai i ever had the most.. Did it have the highest THC? I didnt measure it back then.. i dunno
so, how do different Thc /Cbd Ratios matter.
Well, i myselve felt Thai (high Thc, low Cbd) is more like Extroverted, Afghani (High Thc, propper amount Cbd) more introverted.
But i use following descriptions, Thai is better described as a phylosophical mind thing.
And Afghani is more of a Stommage Feel.
Now comes the point, i simply preffere a certain Effect, and all other Effect i like less. I see myselve as having an own Taste
I also seemed to hear out that quiet a few PEople have a Taste. Each person has its own.
I am the Thai type Person definitly.
And if i get the wrong Bud, i get bad sideffects.. And others get bad Sideffects on their unsuited Bud.
What i found out , is that my Sideffects go very much into Depression, one could associate Depression with Introversion right?
Funny is that the Afghani Indica lovers, if they get Sativa, their Sideeffects often are Anxiety, and one could associate Anxiety with extroversion.
See, its funny that the Sideffects manifest in the opposite of a given Persons Taste.
Its so funny cause if i myselve smoke Thai, i would not say that i get anxious, i just wouldnt use this word, i could slightly,, but its almost wrong to say that.. Just a tiny tiny bit..
so, of corse to say that THC percentage matters for all of us is not true..
And even to say a certain Ratio is best for all of us is not true (according what i found out its not).
there may be people who just like to get the highest possible Thc-percentages.
And now comes the tricky part, am i one of them? hahaa, can i say FROM the Thais witn no Cbd, that i like the highest possible Thc Thais?
Because i liked the most Intense thai i ever had the most.. Did it have the highest THC? I didnt measure it back then.. i dunno
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We are conditioned to think extroverts have a better life. That introversion is the negative mirror of that. That we should strive for one, and treat the other like a disease.
It's not true. You could equally say that introverts are easily satisfied. Leading to higher levels of satisfaction. Until another extrovert comes along with there endless bucket list.
I will take an introverted missis, every day of the week. Extroverts really struggled through lockdown, without an audience to be boisterous for. While many introverts actually liked it. Getting to stay home and watch endless TV/call of fruity. Who really gets depressed the easiest.
A third of people don't like being forced to go out. A third don't like staying in. A third span the middle ground, and are conditioned to act extroverted.
You may of gathered I'm introverted. I'm quite happy doing bugger all. I like to see other people in short increments. I'm thought of as one of the happiest people around. I just spent 7 hours drinking and smoking, watching what I wanted, and popping in and out of here. I couldn't be much more content.
St. Phatty
Active member
I have those long lineage concoctions, and they're usually Primo ... but not any more
primo than what I bought through my "connect" in Silicon Valley in the 1980's.
The main difference is, now I have 4 different primo strains from 2021, and can go to a dispensary if I run out. Whereas in the 1980's there was usually only the one ounce bag of Primo from Mendo/Humboldt.
Meanwhile, today is a BURN DAY.
What if they had Burn Day's for pot ? & the government went door to door handing out invites to go burn one with your neighbors, but don't start a forest fire.
pjlive
Active member
I totally agree. I have some mongrel strains in my box that I'd be bummed to ever lose entirely. I just wish it wasn't the first thing many new growers or users rush into. Some of the most incredible weed I've used has been less than five times removed from its original parents. But, I've definitely had my share of mongrel greatness, too. Yet another cannabis balancing act to follow.
I didn't even realize it's burn day today. I'll have to go out and blow out a stack right now...
Not really anything to learn because they don't do it. LOL They quick dry (2-3 days) and package it. No time for a cure. Gotta make MONEY.
Now, there is plenty to learn about WHY this wrong. A lot of things happen during curing. Chemistry. Biology. Magic. LOL During curing, bacteria eat this and fart that. CO2 does it's thing. Chlorophyll is managed (eliminated). A certain "finish" takes place just like it does for any good... tobacco, wine, tea, etc..
Plan and simple.... without the proper cure, most pot will suck. Especially if you're like me and smoke for for fine taste and smoothness, even over the buzz.
I'm sorry to be so strong about this but I was SOOOOOO disappointed in dispensary pot when I moved to SoCal that I think I am a little shell shocked and screaming. LOL
Peace
