Should we Peoplelize marijuana

[Maria_Vanessa]

MV, make that peoplelized

we haven't discussed recreational cannabis

but the plan, would be, if and when cannabis becomes legal
it would be the growers who would be involved
(we don't want all of that talent to go to waste)
not big business, or the politicians

claim cannabis for the people
It's the only way that I can see
to keep people who love to grow
in the game, triumphing over
the likes of big business, and politicians

I can see a benefit package valued at around $40/hr
we are in a period of declining wages
the hourly wage would be set relatively low
as just having a job is gaining more importance

Peoplelized. I understand. I see have a few more questions.

Even iff it is just the growers that are involved, how is it that you figure that the growers won't sell out to a corporation, if the price and/or the conditions are right.

Scenario 1: A corporation can buy the land that surrounds the property of a particular grower and pressure those growers to sell. In addition, after buying the sand that surrounds the growers, Monsanto can lobby a town/city/district into passing "zoning laws" that would force the MMJ growers to sell. Also, Monsanto could influence any townspeople nearby the growers that their company can add jobs, influencing public opinion in their favor.

Scenario 2: A corporation with a vast and expensive laboratory that could be used to "further" the advancement of MMJ. Creating and breeding MMJ with increased resistance to insect and disease. Their representatives could offer various deals or contracts that would tempt a grower to give a portion or a large percantage of control to the corporation.

Scenario 3: Outright compatition. Corporations have the support of legislators and can win the support of the public by adding jobs and creating their own grow-op for MMJ. They can set the prices to undercut any peoplelized dispensary, forcing them to shut them down. I was half-way kidding on another thread when I mentioned branded MMJ from companies like Frito-Lay, the Altria Group or Anheuser-Bush InBev, but it could be a possibility.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Creating and breeding MMJ with increased resistance to incest and disease.

You want me to do what with my sister? Nah man, I refuse.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Exactly, it's like a nightmare that is playing out right before our very eyes.

many of the luxurious foreclosed homes in Las Vegas
were stripped of anything of value

it's even worse in the poor areas of the country

I received an email, that had pictures of Hiroshima, then, and now

and Detroit, then, and now

opposite sides of the coin

The Federal Deficit http://bit.ly/aweXpC

The M3 money supply fell at an annual rate of 9.6%
in the first three months of 2010
http://bit.ly/cpIXEh

The stock of money fell from $14.2 trillion to $13.9 trillion,
in the three months to April,
amounting to an annual rate of contraction of 9.6%

it's the Perfect Storm

and yes, this does involve marijuana

I agree with you that "Detroit " is a hole.But that doesnt really have much to do with the housing market problem.And then again,im sure it didnt help matters at all. Its just up the road from where I used to stay.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

this grow would be sizable, and require a goodly number of people

figure it out working with the demographics

there's a fair amount of flexibility as to where it would be located

likely an industrial area, never downtown

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

You want me to do what with my sister? Nah man, I refuse.

LOL

 

[Haps]

Man, wtf are you vaping? I'm gonna help ya, cause ya need it.

Reach down in your trousers, and get a grip on yourself, the chicken little shit is counter productive, smoke something different for a while.

Yes, there is a lot of bad shit to come, yes, you people in cali are fucked, big picture, nothing you can do about it. Too many dang people need too many resourses, shit is going to happen, until something approaching balance returns.

So, get the fuck out of the cloud this impossible dream came from, look around you, and figure out if you could actually do this in one site, and sustain it? What resources would you need? Are they available? To you? Then Who? Make that data all work out, then have someone who ain't interested in kissin your ass evaluate and pick it apart, then do it all again, better. Then figure out how to test it in the real world.

Or just keep blowing vapor, and when shit happens it will happen to you.
H

peopleize that

 

[SeniorBuzz]

I can understand the growers being against TC2010
it's the end of their business as they know it.

Fortunately, for their sake, it's my belief that mj
legalization will fail in November.

there are just too many negatives surrounding this issue

but there is an avenue for the growers
it's a bold move, but the climate is ripe

it's the only way, that I can see, to assure
that the industry will stay with the growers

 

[DocLeaf]

we should peoplelize marijuana,
claiming the profits for the needs of the people.

I'm really confused by the phraseology used in the above. What do you mean by 'peoplelize' please ?? There is not such word other than on MJ sites online (I goggled it ..lol).

By Peoplelize do you mean communise? or socialise? (cause that's not always a good plan)... or by Peopleize do you mean anthropomorphism? i.e. prescribing human characteristics to plants?

Interesting stuff.. I havent read the rest of the thread yet since we'd prefer an answer direct from the lions den first before commenting again

Edit: we read it again,,, you cant nationalize a natural product that people are free to grow and consume.. that's silly. You could however nationalize the 'sale' of cannabis. Do away with greedy drug dealers and place the profits into community projects sure,,, however a market for 'illegal' cannabis will always persist,, as it does in Holland for example.

Btw,, I'm all for revolution,, so long as its well thought out,, a peaceful one,, and everyone gets stoned that wants to along the way

Peace n flowers SeniorBuzz

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

I'm really confused by the phraseology used in the above. What do you mean by 'peoplelize' please ?? There is not such word other than on MJ sites online (I goggled it ..lol).

By Peoplelize do you mean communise? or socialise? (cause that's not always a good plan)... or by Peopleize do you mean anthropomorphism? i.e. prescribing human characteristics to plants?

Interesting stuff.. I havent read the rest of the thread yet since we'd prefer an answer direct from the lions den first before commenting again

Edit: we read it again,,, you cant nationalize a natural product that people are free to grow and consume.. that's silly. You could however nationalize the 'sale' of cannabis. Do away with greedy drug dealers and place the profits into community projects sure,,, however a market for 'illegal' cannabis will always persist,, as it does in Holland for example.

Btw,, I'm all for revolution,, so long as its well thought out,, a peaceful one,, and everyone gets stoned that wants to along the way

Peace n flowers SeniorBuzz

I don't think he wanted to use socialise or communise because those words are the hip buzz words that everyone is throwing around these days like beads at Mardi Gras.

I think what he meant was giving as much control and power to patients and growers when it comes to cannabis. So we were going back and forth about ways to do that while minimizing government and corporate direct and indirect influence.

But somewhere along the way, we agree that the paragraph above would be best suited for MMJ because of this particular movement, the exception being recreational cannabis and hemp, getting alot of attention right now, more than in the past.

In closing, I think the main subject of this thread is how can we give as much control and power to patients and growers when it comes to cannabis while minimizing government and corporate direct and indirect influence. And we discuss in constructive ways of how this peoplelizing(sp) can and cannot work, what are the challenges and possible solutions to those challenges.

 

[Texicannibus]

Can you guys point to anything 'peoplelized?'? I pretty much agree with Doc this sounds much more like communism and socialism to me. Since this discussion is primarily on medical cannabis... you would impose special standards on this in comparison to other medical drugs? Lastly, whats wrong with the psuedo free market system for all other medications and products?

 

[Hammerhead]

what was the policy when cannabis was legal anyone know?

 

[Texicannibus]

As far as I know it was treated like any other plant. Farmers was widely encouraged to grow hemp as well. It was widely prescribed as medicine as well.

 

[Hammerhead]

Cannabis was legal and we had laws that regulated it? why would it be so difficult to re implement the same laws and regulations we had already

 

[Texicannibus]

Actually at that time there was little regulation. For the most part the interstate commerce clause was properly intepreted. Any regulations would have been on the state/local goverment side most likely. Jack Herer's The emperor wears no clothes details quite a bit about pre-prohibition cannabis.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

I'm really confused by the phraseology used in the above. What do you mean by 'peoplelize' please ?? There is not such word other than on MJ sites online (I goggled it ..lol).

By Peoplelize do you mean communise? or socialise? (cause that's not always a good plan)... or by Peopleize do you mean anthropomorphism? i.e. prescribing human characteristics to plants?

Interesting stuff.. I havent read the rest of the thread yet since we'd prefer an answer direct from the lions den first before commenting again

Edit: we read it again,,, you cant nationalize a natural product that people are free to grow and consume.. that's silly. You could however nationalize the 'sale' of cannabis. Do away with greedy drug dealers and place the profits into community projects sure,,, however a market for 'illegal' cannabis will always persist,, as it does in Holland for example.

Btw,, I'm all for revolution,, so long as its well thought out,, a peaceful one,, and everyone gets stoned that wants to along the way

Peace n flowers SeniorBuzz

sorry DL, been off working on my own development.

phraseology

wanted people to identify with nationalize (lize)

but rather than benefit the government

this will provide a safety valve for the people of a given county

so i wrote it as peoplelize because i wanted the lize

knowing full well that it wasn't a word

as you know there is enormous profit in growing mmj

it's my honest belief that we are in the middle of a looming great global depression

our own government is literally on the brink of bankruptcy

today the Senate again failed to pass an unemployment extenders bill

because they refuse to borrow any more money

this is a way to put money aside in a hurry

not worried about myself, I'm insulated well enough

but know that most aren't

only mmj is legal

Unemployment Just Got Worse:
Millions to Lose Benefits as Jobless Aid Bill Fails
http://srph.it/bD9U2J

 

[SeniorBuzz]

Econ 101

a simple explanation of the U.S. federal budget.
http://cli.gs/QsRnE

Year.......Income..Outgo....Deficit
FY2002 -- 1.853 -- 2.011 -- 0.158 Trillion
FY2003 -- 1.783 -- 2.160 -- 0.378 Trillion
FY2004 -- 1.880 -- 2.293 -- 0.413 Trillion
FY2005 -- 2.154 -- 2.472 -- 0.318 Trillion
FY2006 -- 2.407 -- 2.655 -- 0.348 Trillion
FY2007 -- 2.568 -- 2.731 -- 0.163 Trillion
FY2008 -- 2.524 -- 2.983 -- 0.459 Trillion
FY2009 -- 2.105 -- 3.518 -- 1.413 Trillion

FY2009/FY2010 Entitlement Spending
...................FY2009....May09....May10 (IN BILLIONS)
Debt Interest.. 383----- 124------ 152
Social Security 659----- 433------ 461
Medicare........ 428----- 278------ 291
Medicaid......... 251----- 164------ 180
Unemployment 120------ 70------- 111 http://bit.ly/435wRD

FY2009 363 + 659 + 428 + 251 + 120 = 1.821 TRILLION DOLLARS
IN ENTITLEMENTS, AND DEBT INTEREST

TOTAL FEDERAL REVENUE FOR FY2009 = 2.105 TRILLION DOLLARS


not much left for anything else

little things like defense, etc.....

The FY2009 Deficit was $1.413 Trillion Dollars


and it's going to be worse this year

Through May (8 months)
FY2010 -- 1.344 -- 2.285 -- 0.941 Trillion http://bit.ly/dzMXOA

06/27/2010 Economic Outlook: Worsening picture in the US
http://drudge.tw/aDFscd

and even worse next year

Predicted
FY2011 -- 2.673 -- 3.668 -- 0.996 Trillion

Might be time to think about it; over 27 million people unemployed, Europe failing, the global economy collapsing, Stimulus ending

 

[Texicannibus]

You might find this helpful

 

[SeniorBuzz]

You might find this helpful

Tc, can you provide me with the original link..thanks

 

[SeniorBuzz]

basically, if CA legalizes mj, it will be throwing the keys

to a bunch of corrupt politicians, and union hacks

it would be better for everyone who wants to stay vested in the business,
to vote no.

you have a chance of owning the industry

a chance to be your own boss forever,

while working in your skill area

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

basically, if CA legalizes mj, it will be throwing the keys

to a bunch of corrupt politicians, and union hacks

it would be better for everyone who wants to stay vested in the business,
to vote no.

you have a chance of owning the industry

a chance to be your own boss forever,

while working in your skill area

That's part of my dream and why I became an agricultural major. Well, the growing part, not the corrupt politician or union hack. My minor was in turfgrass, but I'm thinking about changing it to Plant Pathology to help others properly identify symptoms of disease and help pevent vector from transimitting diseases to their gardens.