And that's why I keep my dogs well fed.
Secret Ingredient?!?
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SeaMaiden
I have NOT been able to source raw milk locally, but I *have* been using the Sea-90. Sometimes by itself, sometimes in combination with some fermented plant extract. Last foliar we had some non-fat milk that spoiled so I threw that in there. Blossom end rot? What's that?
The Sea-90 is something I'm liking. I also tasted it and it could be used as a seasoning in cooking, IMO. Oddly enough, it doesn't cause the terrible rashes that sea salt normally does on my forearms.
If it's fossilized coral, isn't it then dolomite or another type of limestone (which are created from the skeletons of dead, fossilized coral reefs)? I'm glad that it's not being sourced via living coral reefs.
However, as you can see, coral is comprised of a few more substances than just CaCO3 (if it were only CaCO3 then reefkeepers' lives would be much easier!).
Different micro- and macroalgaes (kelp is a macroalgae) offer you different things. Exactly the same as with plants. I'm currently failing to understand, for example, why some feel it's important to remain tied only to Ascophyllum nododom and not, for example, Caulerpa spp. or other fast-growing algaes, especially those that are known as nutrient-fixers or used to clean water columns of excess nutrients, P being one of the 'big' ones. I feel they can all offer some utility. Maybe even Halimeda spp (calcareous marine algae) could offer some utility.
Interesting, what the ocean can offer us, isn't it?
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why some feel it's important to remain tied only to Ascophyllum nododom and not, for example, Caulerpa spp
Mmmmm - 110 years of clinical research beginning at Oxford University under the auspices of the Royal Botanical Society?
You're back to Elements only. You can't possibly be making a claim that green algae (freshwater or marine) is on any level as brown seaweeds are you? 200+ compounds is a big hit to take.
Then again a review of plant compounds from this species would be helpful for comparison. I've got the brown kelp list of compounds down and let me help out with the list for green algae so that others can compare.
if it's fossilized coral, isn't it then dolomite or another type of limestone
Mineral Zone - World's Mineral Exchange
CC
Mmmmm - 110 years of clinical research beginning at Oxford University under the auspices of the Royal Botanical Society?
You're back to Elements only. You can't possibly be making a claim that green algae (freshwater or marine) is on any level as brown seaweeds are you? 200+ compounds is a big hit to take.
Then again a review of plant compounds from this species would be helpful for comparison. I've got the brown kelp list of compounds down and let me help out with the list for green algae so that others can compare.
if it's fossilized coral, isn't it then dolomite or another type of limestone
Mineral Zone - World's Mineral Exchange
CC
Dolomite
Calcium Magnesium Carbonate - CaMg(CO3)2
Dolomite is named for the French mineralogist Deodat de Dolomieu. They are found all over the world and are quite common in sedimentary rock sequences. These rocks are called appropriately enough dolomite or dolomitic limestone. Disputes have arisen as to how these dolomite beds formed and the debate has been called the "Dolomite Problem"
Dolomite at present time, does not form on the surface of the earth; yet massive layers of dolomite can be found in ancient rocks. That is quite a problem for sedimentologists who see sandstones, shales and limestones formed today almost before their eyes referred to as The Dolomite Problem
Dolomite is a double carbonate of Calcium and Magnesium, CaCO3, MgCO3. The mineral was first identified by Count Dolomien in 1791 and named after its discoverer. It is of sedimentary origin and is supposed to have been formed due to chemical action of sea-water containing high percentage of magnesia, on limestone.
Theoretically, dolomite contains:
CaCO3 54.35%
MgCO3 45.65%
In other words, it contains:
CaO 30.4%
MgO 21.7%
CO2 47.9%
In nature, considerable variations in the composition of dolomite relating to lime and magnesia percentages are found. When the percentage of CaCO3 increases by 10% or more over the theoretical composition, the mineral is termed 'calcitic dolomite', 'high-calcium dolomite' or 'lime-dolomite'. With the decrease in percentage of MgCO3, it is called 'dolomitic limestone'. With the variations of MgCO3 between 5 to 10%, it is called 'magnesian limestone', and upto 5% MgCO3 or less it is taken to be limestone for all purposes in trade and commercial parlance.
Dolomite usually contains impurities, chiefly silica, alumina and iron oxide. For commercial purposes, the percentage of combined impurities should not go beyond 7% above which, it becomes unsuitable for industrial use. It is then used only for road ballasts, building stones, flooring chips etc.
Calcium Magnesium Carbonate - CaMg(CO3)2
Dolomite is named for the French mineralogist Deodat de Dolomieu. They are found all over the world and are quite common in sedimentary rock sequences. These rocks are called appropriately enough dolomite or dolomitic limestone. Disputes have arisen as to how these dolomite beds formed and the debate has been called the "Dolomite Problem"
Dolomite at present time, does not form on the surface of the earth; yet massive layers of dolomite can be found in ancient rocks. That is quite a problem for sedimentologists who see sandstones, shales and limestones formed today almost before their eyes referred to as The Dolomite Problem
Dolomite is a double carbonate of Calcium and Magnesium, CaCO3, MgCO3. The mineral was first identified by Count Dolomien in 1791 and named after its discoverer. It is of sedimentary origin and is supposed to have been formed due to chemical action of sea-water containing high percentage of magnesia, on limestone.
Theoretically, dolomite contains:
CaCO3 54.35%
MgCO3 45.65%
In other words, it contains:
CaO 30.4%
MgO 21.7%
CO2 47.9%
In nature, considerable variations in the composition of dolomite relating to lime and magnesia percentages are found. When the percentage of CaCO3 increases by 10% or more over the theoretical composition, the mineral is termed 'calcitic dolomite', 'high-calcium dolomite' or 'lime-dolomite'. With the decrease in percentage of MgCO3, it is called 'dolomitic limestone'. With the variations of MgCO3 between 5 to 10%, it is called 'magnesian limestone', and upto 5% MgCO3 or less it is taken to be limestone for all purposes in trade and commercial parlance.
Dolomite usually contains impurities, chiefly silica, alumina and iron oxide. For commercial purposes, the percentage of combined impurities should not go beyond 7% above which, it becomes unsuitable for industrial use. It is then used only for road ballasts, building stones, flooring chips etc.
Calcite
Calcium Carbonate - CaCO3
The name calcite comes from a Greek word meaning lime. This comes from its chemical component, Calcium Carbonate, which sometimes is mistakenly known as "lime" - Calcite is known in more than 300 forms of crystals.
Calcite is a carbonate of lime (CaCo3). It crystallizes in rhombohedron class. It is also known by the name calc-spar. It is white in colour but is also found in various shades like pink, brown etc., depending upon the impurities present. It is identified easily from other lime minerals by its well defined rhombohdral cleavage and hardness 3 of Moh's scale. Its composition is identical to that of limestone but the latter occurs as sedimentary beds.
There is another mineral, Aragonite, of the same chemical composition. It crystallizes in orthorhombic system. It is, however, an unstable mineral, found mainly associated with Gypsum beds and the tests of reef-building corals. It is not found in the same large quantity as that of calcite.
Calcite is found in veins traversing various rock types, particularly limestone of the Aravalli and Ajabgarh series in Rajasthan, India. Calcite veins 30 to 150 cm. Thick, running uniformly sometimes for long distances, are usually found. Calcite also occurs as calcareous tufa, travertine, stalactite and stalagmite
Oyster Shell Powder/Flour from Pacific Pearl in Petaluma, California is another source of Calcium Carbonate from ancient deposits under San Francisco Bay.
Calcium Carbonate - CaCO3
The name calcite comes from a Greek word meaning lime. This comes from its chemical component, Calcium Carbonate, which sometimes is mistakenly known as "lime" - Calcite is known in more than 300 forms of crystals.
Calcite is a carbonate of lime (CaCo3). It crystallizes in rhombohedron class. It is also known by the name calc-spar. It is white in colour but is also found in various shades like pink, brown etc., depending upon the impurities present. It is identified easily from other lime minerals by its well defined rhombohdral cleavage and hardness 3 of Moh's scale. Its composition is identical to that of limestone but the latter occurs as sedimentary beds.
There is another mineral, Aragonite, of the same chemical composition. It crystallizes in orthorhombic system. It is, however, an unstable mineral, found mainly associated with Gypsum beds and the tests of reef-building corals. It is not found in the same large quantity as that of calcite.
Calcite is found in veins traversing various rock types, particularly limestone of the Aravalli and Ajabgarh series in Rajasthan, India. Calcite veins 30 to 150 cm. Thick, running uniformly sometimes for long distances, are usually found. Calcite also occurs as calcareous tufa, travertine, stalactite and stalagmite
Oyster Shell Powder/Flour from Pacific Pearl in Petaluma, California is another source of Calcium Carbonate from ancient deposits under San Francisco Bay.
Clack...sorry you had a bad experience with Sea Minerals; it probably caused an imbalance with your other stuff--which might explain your "bad experience" and justify my "good experience".
I don't follow stoner logic (use Potion A + Potion B from those liter bottles of liquid salts sold at hydro stores with cartoon characters on the label). So maybe something is doubling/tripling in your routine. However, if your plant has access to about 90 or so "sea minerals" as well as to about 90 or so "land minerals", imo--your plant has every mineral element it needs (we just gotta tweak quantities and timing).
These 3 magic words are golden: "Less is Best". It is real easy to "add more later", but damn near impossible to "take it back" once the plant owns it.
My numbers: 5 ml of Sea Minerals per gallon of water...and when transplanting to 5 gallon containers, I add 5 ml to the fertility mix for each container.
Cheers!
I don't follow stoner logic (use Potion A + Potion B from those liter bottles of liquid salts sold at hydro stores with cartoon characters on the label). So maybe something is doubling/tripling in your routine. However, if your plant has access to about 90 or so "sea minerals" as well as to about 90 or so "land minerals", imo--your plant has every mineral element it needs (we just gotta tweak quantities and timing).
These 3 magic words are golden: "Less is Best". It is real easy to "add more later", but damn near impossible to "take it back" once the plant owns it.
My numbers: 5 ml of Sea Minerals per gallon of water...and when transplanting to 5 gallon containers, I add 5 ml to the fertility mix for each container.
Cheers!
EF20
I'm familiar with the different sea mineral products from a few articles in Acres USA Magazine over the past 4 or 5 years which is one of the main publication for sustainable agriculture. I'm not unfamiliar with the products or their claims. I've read Dr. Murray's work extensively and the reviews both good & bad. The correct dosage is paramount and in that regard there is a wide range of experience from farmers across the board.
Still at the end of the day - it's sea salt.
But if using high-grade worm castings from my bins along with organic Sphagnum peat moss and organic rice hulls is somehow throwing the benefit from this product out of whack then something is really goofy. Actually nutty on every level I could come up with.
Glad you're having good luck.
It's still sea salt
CC
I'm familiar with the different sea mineral products from a few articles in Acres USA Magazine over the past 4 or 5 years which is one of the main publication for sustainable agriculture. I'm not unfamiliar with the products or their claims. I've read Dr. Murray's work extensively and the reviews both good & bad. The correct dosage is paramount and in that regard there is a wide range of experience from farmers across the board.
Still at the end of the day - it's sea salt.
But if using high-grade worm castings from my bins along with organic Sphagnum peat moss and organic rice hulls is somehow throwing the benefit from this product out of whack then something is really goofy. Actually nutty on every level I could come up with.
Glad you're having good luck.
It's still sea salt
CC
Stoner logic aside..... I believe I was stoned when I realized it was salt....self I said, "hey this is just salt"...so my-self recognized it as sea salt and that was that. Chocked it up as a stupid mistake even after reading all the mumbo jumbo that supported its use.
Like the ancient joke about Smart Pills which turned out to be dried rabbit droppings
"But it's just rabbit sh*t!"
"See - you're getting smarter already"
"But it's just rabbit sh*t!"
"See - you're getting smarter already"
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SeaMaiden
Thank you for proving me correct regarding coral-based stone/mineral forms. The two algae links are the same page, was there something else you meant to show? Since that site is focused on marine algae they would not necessarily be showing any data on F/W algal forms, would they? Arthrospira spp (aka Spirulina in the common nomenclature)--do you know what it is, how it's cultured and what it offers? That is but one example off the top of my head, but when it comes to The Life Aquatic, I can dance all day long. I'll even go so far as to point out that it's quite common for cyanobacteria to be thought of and referred to algal forms. But the real point I'm trying to make is that it very well may have something to offer.
There is a rainbow of colors of algae that occur in the wild, CC. They occur in am amazing variety of environments and conditions. I have my personal observations as well as the professional (scientific) observations that suggest that almost *any* rapidly growing, nutrient-fixing algae, micro or macro, may have something to offer. That's the suggestion I'm making and I don't see how it can be read any other way.
Have other macroalgaes been tested and/or worked with at all, or for very long, for example? Or have they remained tied to that which is most easily and readily available to them? What about macros from other seas?
Because I can confidently assure you that they all have something to offer in terms of both nutrient cycling and nutrition for animals, I believe I can easily make the suggestion that they very well may have something to offer in this context.
That is the claim I'm making.
There is a rainbow of colors of algae that occur in the wild, CC. They occur in am amazing variety of environments and conditions. I have my personal observations as well as the professional (scientific) observations that suggest that almost *any* rapidly growing, nutrient-fixing algae, micro or macro, may have something to offer. That's the suggestion I'm making and I don't see how it can be read any other way.
Have other macroalgaes been tested and/or worked with at all, or for very long, for example? Or have they remained tied to that which is most easily and readily available to them? What about macros from other seas?
Because I can confidently assure you that they all have something to offer in terms of both nutrient cycling and nutrition for animals, I believe I can easily make the suggestion that they very well may have something to offer in this context.
That is the claim I'm making.
Here's my favorite sea salt product from the EM-1 folks - EM-X Gold Salt priced at 2.5 lbs. for $197.90 - that's slightly less than $80.00 per lb. just to keep things honest here.
Here's why it costs so much perhaps:
Here's why it costs so much perhaps:
Now that is a story to tell isn't it?
couldnt one just use some sea water?. if anyone has at what rates? never tried salt or water. but i do use kelp and collect it from ocean too.bringing home some water wouldnt be an issue.
There isn't a single sea salt that doesn't make the same claim as the 'agriculture' products - Himalayan Pink, Hawaiian Blue, Portuguese Grey, Mediterranean Blue, blah, blah, blah - same 83 minerals (how about callin them Elements?)
I'd be shopping price and little else...
CC
I'd be shopping price and little else...
CC
gee maybe i should get in the sea salt buisness. i got a perfect area for letting the water dissipate.
For a different point of view...may I suggest the info at these links
Raw Milk, Sea Minerals & Immunity issues about some cows...http://www.nutrient-dense.info/dairy/MineralsMilkImmunity.pdf
Story about buffalo and their preference to grass treated with sea minerals...http://www.carbon-negative.us/docs/OnondagaBuffalo.pdf
Maximum Yield story from the June 2010 issue, go to page 62...http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_june_2010
Go to page 94 for part II from the July issue....http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_july2010
And...for independent analysis of Sea90...http://www.seaagri.com/docs/uga_analysis.pdf
BTW...table salt, kosher salt, sea salt, sea minerals are not the same--unless you believe "tang" and "orange juice" are the same.
I pay $40 for 50 pound bag of Sea 90...plus $35 for delivery, so that works out to be $1.50 per pound, which is OK, since most of my amendments are around $1 per pound (most less--few more).
And for a great source of natural silica and calcium...Fossil Shell Flour is the real deal (food grade diatomaceous earth is from fresh water sources, not oceans)...and I pay about $25 for $50 pound bag.
Cheers!
Raw Milk, Sea Minerals & Immunity issues about some cows...http://www.nutrient-dense.info/dairy/MineralsMilkImmunity.pdf
Story about buffalo and their preference to grass treated with sea minerals...http://www.carbon-negative.us/docs/OnondagaBuffalo.pdf
Maximum Yield story from the June 2010 issue, go to page 62...http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_june_2010
Go to page 94 for part II from the July issue....http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_july2010
And...for independent analysis of Sea90...http://www.seaagri.com/docs/uga_analysis.pdf
BTW...table salt, kosher salt, sea salt, sea minerals are not the same--unless you believe "tang" and "orange juice" are the same.
I pay $40 for 50 pound bag of Sea 90...plus $35 for delivery, so that works out to be $1.50 per pound, which is OK, since most of my amendments are around $1 per pound (most less--few more).
And for a great source of natural silica and calcium...Fossil Shell Flour is the real deal (food grade diatomaceous earth is from fresh water sources, not oceans)...and I pay about $25 for $50 pound bag.
Cheers!
superman
Yachts carry desalination equipment on board - probably not a bad idea. So if you took seawater and ran it through the RO technology, what would you end up with as far as 'solids' or whatever the correct terminology is.
Thanks!
CC
Yachts carry desalination equipment on board - probably not a bad idea. So if you took seawater and ran it through the RO technology, what would you end up with as far as 'solids' or whatever the correct terminology is.
Thanks!
CC
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SeaMaiden
Wait a minute. You have nothing else to say about anything I had to say? Why are you so dismissive of an area where I happen to have a good bit of knowledge (some might say expertise, given my knowledge and experience, though I won't make that claim) based both on the books and experience? And what you posted is so accurate or so different from what I had to say?
In one instance you're saying "diversity is key!" and in another you're saying it's all the same. I can tell you that not all seas are the same, not all conditions are the same, not all organisms are the same. The products that come from the sea very well may be as different as the seas from which they come, and I can make that suggestion, or claim as you're calling it, with a great degree of certainty.
So, why is diversity in one instance (fermented plant extracts, living soil and/or no-till beds, composts, etc, etc, etc) so great and in another not so great? I'm not talking about the culinary colored salts, I'm talking about these organisms themselves. Have you ever cultured a single 'seaweed' (macroalgae more properly) yourself? Do you know what they need, how they grow, what they may or may not do depending on the very same sorts of conditions that we can assuredly claim affect terrestrial plants; i.e. mineral content, O2/CO2 ratios, overall nutrient content (red tide, anyone?), etc, etc, etc, etc? Because based on what you're posting I would venture a guess and say you haven't.
Can you tell me why it is that the flora and fauna of the Red Sea are so different from other tropical areas? Why is it that the Bali Sea and South Pacific are so incredibly biologically diverse? (So are the terrestrial lands, as it so happens, but it all began in the sea, as it so happened.) Can you discuss mangroves, their function and utility in the greater oceanic realm without Googling? Can you talk to me what functions the abundant Polychaetous Annelids play in those mangroves islands and waterways? (It's closely related/tied to the very same functions many terrestrial annelids play, just to offer a hint.)
While you're so busy denigrating me and dismissing what I have to offer via my knowledge of aquatic environments and simultaneously touting a bigger picture, you're missing that very same bigger picture. The very same ocean-based products you're discussing and endorsing are many of the same I've worked directly with as living organisms, including many of the macroalgae (I can include experience working at a public aquarium, as well as some publication to my credit in this area).
Why this dichotomy, why here? It makes no sense. Just because *you* don't see what one thing has to do with another doesn't mean it may not tie back, and in this instance, these instances (coral and what it contains, and macroalgae or kelp or seaweed as laypeople like to call it) it very well may.
You're welcome to my input. You're not welcome to denigrate.
