Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?
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As many Americans continue to struggle to find work, forgoing Christmas presents and vacations this year as a result, Barack Obama is headed to Hawaii on Friday for his 17-day long, $4 million vacation courtesy of taxpayers. The Hawaii Reporter breaks down the numbers by category:
TRAVEL: $3,629,622
The biggest expense is President Barack Obama’s round trip flight to Hawaii via Air Force One, a cost the GAO office estimated at $1 million in the year 2000. Contacted today, the GAO confirmed there is no report the independent office affiliated with Congress has prepared since 2000 to operate Air Force One and Air Force Two.
However, the U.S. Air Force provides the most current numbers of $181,757 per flight hour. Travel time for Air Force One direct from Washington D.C. to Hawaii is about 9 hours or $1,635,813 each way for a total of $3,271,622 for the round trip to Hawaii and back.
HOTEL: $72,216
The President’s staff and White House Press Corps stay at one of Hawaii’s oldest and most elegant hotels, the Moana Surfrider. Hawaii Reporter confirmed they are again staying there this year. Besides its stunningly beautiful view of Waikiki, and its traditional architecture, it is one of the most pricey hotels in the state.
Government rates are $177 per night, but that only is available during certain times a year.
LOCAL TAXPAYER COSTS: $260,000
Local police over time for the president’s visit has historically cost Oahu taxpayers $250,000 but may be more expensive this year with the extended vacation.
The total cost (based on what is known) for a 17-day round trip vacation to Hawaii for the President and his family and staff and security is an estimated $4,113,038.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ayers_obamas_17day_vacation_to_cost_4_million
merry christmas, maybe the old lady went early to line up some pacoloco.
TRAVEL: $3,629,622
The biggest expense is President Barack Obama’s round trip flight to Hawaii via Air Force One, a cost the GAO office estimated at $1 million in the year 2000. Contacted today, the GAO confirmed there is no report the independent office affiliated with Congress has prepared since 2000 to operate Air Force One and Air Force Two.
However, the U.S. Air Force provides the most current numbers of $181,757 per flight hour. Travel time for Air Force One direct from Washington D.C. to Hawaii is about 9 hours or $1,635,813 each way for a total of $3,271,622 for the round trip to Hawaii and back.
HOTEL: $72,216
The President’s staff and White House Press Corps stay at one of Hawaii’s oldest and most elegant hotels, the Moana Surfrider. Hawaii Reporter confirmed they are again staying there this year. Besides its stunningly beautiful view of Waikiki, and its traditional architecture, it is one of the most pricey hotels in the state.
Government rates are $177 per night, but that only is available during certain times a year.
LOCAL TAXPAYER COSTS: $260,000
Local police over time for the president’s visit has historically cost Oahu taxpayers $250,000 but may be more expensive this year with the extended vacation.
The total cost (based on what is known) for a 17-day round trip vacation to Hawaii for the President and his family and staff and security is an estimated $4,113,038.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ayers_obamas_17day_vacation_to_cost_4_million
merry christmas, maybe the old lady went early to line up some pacoloco.
That's what Ron could do at the next debate, hold up articles about somebody he's never gonna face.
Merry Christmas trichrider.
Ron will never face him...because why?? Oh yeah...maybe the smear Campaign that is going on....where they take spinets of what he says...use it out of context...then throw an opinion based rant on there...just to convince us he is evil!! Lol
Merry Merry to all my IC Fam...those I agree with and those I don't-- Shit...I disagree with my wife half the time...don't mean I hate her!!
Merry Merry to all my IC Fam...those I agree with and those I don't-- Shit...I disagree with my wife half the time...don't mean I hate her!!
rome burned too
it hasnt but it will
rampant inflation? we dont see it as bad as the rest of the world currently because we are the reserve currency. when they replace the us dollar as world reserve currency you can say hello to 5-8 dollar gas and 5 dollar gallons of milk...
race wars mmm maybe not but have we seen institutional racism become more prevalent, ever heard of affirmative action...
it hasnt but it will
rampant inflation? we dont see it as bad as the rest of the world currently because we are the reserve currency. when they replace the us dollar as world reserve currency you can say hello to 5-8 dollar gas and 5 dollar gallons of milk...
race wars mmm maybe not but have we seen institutional racism become more prevalent, ever heard of affirmative action...
this was on the 19th of this month
link: http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w239.html
"Eventually, we'll have to put an end to this, one way or another."
Sheriff Kelly Janke of North Dakota's Nelson County uttered that ominous sentence in mid-September, during what the local media giddily described as a stand-off with local farmer Rodney Brossart and his family. By that time, Sheriff Janke, with the help of the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Air Force, had already run the table where "non-lethal" means of compelling the family to surrender were concerned. This included everything from the Taser used during Brossart's June 23 arrest to the precedent-setting use of a Predator-B drone to conduct surveillance of the home several days later to facilitate the arrest of the farmer's three sons.
The most recent conflict between Janke's department and Brossart began when a half-dozen stray cattle wandered onto the family's farm, which is located near the tiny village of Lakota (roughly 100 miles northwest of Fargo). Brossart, who reportedly believed that the cattle were unclaimed and thus belonged to him under a disputed interpretation of open-range law, refused to turn them over to the Sheriff.
A team of deputies tasered the 55-year-old farmer and took him into custody. His daughter Abby, frantic for the safety of her father, tried to intervene; for "striking" the sanctified personage of a deputy, she was arrested and charged with assault. When Brossart's wife Susan refused to help the deputies locate what they described as "illegal" firearms, she, too, was arrested and charged with lying to law enforcement officers (who are trained to lie and can do so without legal consequence).
When deputies returned the following day, they were reportedly confronted by Brossart's three sons – Jacob, Alex, and Thomas -- who were allegedly carrying the rifles the police had tried to confiscate the previous day.
This led Sheriff Janke to escalate the confrontation to a full-spectrum military response – including, in the words of the Los Angeles Times, elements "from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances, and deputy sheriffs from three other counties. He also called in a Predator B drone." That unmanned aerial vehicle, identical to those used in CIA-directed missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere, was supplied by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP), an affiliate of the Department of Homeland Security.
"As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed," continued the Times. "Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.
That was the "one way" Janke had already tried. What, pray tell, would have been the "other" – short of equipping the drone with Hellfire missiles and using it to annihilate the Brossart family as suspected terrorists?
If this had happened, the Brossarts would not be the first Americans to be killed by way of a drone-fired missile. That unwanted distinction is owned by Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, Adbulrahman, who were killed in separate drone strikes in Yemen about three weeks apart. Abdulrahman, a 16-year-old boy who was born in Denver, was murdered while eating dinner with his 17-year-old cousin, who was also killed in the missile strike.
The original story was that Abdulrahman was a "suspected militant," and thus a "legitimate" target. He was actually a teenage boy frantically trying to find his father, whose name was on a roster of terrorist suspects who had been sentenced to summaryexecution by a secretive executive branch committee that answers to nobody.
As a result of a dispute involving a half-dozen cows, the Brossart family found itself treated as if they were terrorists. The CBP's drone fleet is described by the agency as a counter-terrorism asset. For the act "brandishing" legally owned rifles in the presence of armed sheriff's deputies, the three Brossart sons have been charged with "terrorizing" law enforcement personnel -- fragile, timid creatures that they are. Most significantly, however, the family had been enrolled on a roster of domestic terrorists – one compiled not by the Obama administration, but rather by the quasi-private Stasi calling itself the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).
According to the SPLC, Brossart's family received special attention because Sheriff Janke "knew the Brossarts were followers of another Lakota resident, Roger Elvick, one of the original gurus of the bizarre but remarkably resilient sovereign citizens movement."
For the past several years, the SPLC has been indoctrinating local law enforcement agencies in the belief that the sovereign citizens movement – and, for that matter, the entire "radical Right," a label the SPLC applies to anyone more conservative than Hugo Chavez – is an undifferentiated mass of menace and a particular threat to law enforcement. This campaign is perfectly calibrated to play on the fears of police, for whom there is no higher priority than "officer safety."
Little of consequence would result if the SPLC were simply a private pressure group. However, the organization seamlessly interfaces with a number of government agencies, including the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program, which is funded through the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Assistance. National and regional law enforcement seminars have been used to cultivate alarm among police officers regarding the supposedly all-encompassing terrorist threat posed by domestic "extremists."
During the June confrontation, Sheriff Janke actually took time to respond to an interview request from the SPLC's Intelligence Report.
"We're trying to reach out to the family to get them to surrender," Janke told the publication. "It's not common for people to brandish weapons against law enforcement, and to have them all be family members is unique. [It tells me] they're up to something, they're planning something, they have some different beliefs…. We're meeting with a team of experts to find out the best possible way to resolve this."
Janke's belief that the Brossarts were "planning" something sinister proved to be entirely unfounded. In November, months after the family had refused to attend an August 26 preliminary hearing, Rodney Brossart and his son Jacob – both of whom were unarmed – were arrested while finishing the fall harvest. Alex and Thomas, along with their sister Abby, were arrested "without incident" at the family's home.
During what the local media – which dutifully regurgitated a porridge of alarmist sound-bites it had been fed by the SPLC – called the "stand-off," Brossart gave one brief interview in which he insisted that his family were not "violent people." Janke, on the other hand, did his best to depict the family as a menace to the public.
"We have been able to associate them with an individual that has served time in the State Pen that is giving them advice," the Sheriff claimed in a September 13 interview, referring to Elvick. By that time, Elvick – who had briefly lived in an apartment in Lakota – had apparently departed for California. But his geographic proximity to the Brossarts was apparently enough for the latter to be "associated" with the ex-convict, and thus tainted as potential domestic terrorists.
This concept of being "associated" with a suspected terrorist is impressively elastic and immensely dangerous. Section 1031 of the proposed National Defense Authorization Act (NADA), which provides for indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists, permits the military to target anyone the Federal government decides is "associated" with an identified terrorist threat.
"Is a terrorist under this law necessarily a member of al-Qaeda or the Taliban?" asks the estimable Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone in his analysis of the NADA. "Or is it merely someone who is `engaged in hostilities against the United States'? Here's where I think we're in very dangerous territory. We have two very different but similarly large protest movements going on right now in the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement. What if one of them is linked to a violent act? What if a bomb goes off in a police station in Oakland, or an IRS office in Texas? What if the FBI then linked those acts to Occupy or the Tea Party?"
Where Sheriff Janke was concerned, a potential terrorist was anyone he could "associate" with an ex-convict described by the SPLC as a guru of the "sovereign citizens" movement. He also alluded to the "history we've had with the family over time" as a cause for concern.
In 1996, Rodney Brossart was charged with violating a state land use ordinance by plowing and seeding a section line on his own property. Although he was found guilty on that charge, the verdict was overturned by the state Supreme Court. This episode was one of several instances in which the Brossarts have come into conflict with the County Sheriff's Office.
Five years ago, Brossart was charged with disorderly conduct and "Preventing Arrest" after shouting at sheriff's deputies and "tensing his arm" when one of them laid hands on him to take him into custody. He was acquitted on the first charge, and found guilty of the second. That case was likewise appealed to the state Supreme Court.
Citing facts that were uncontested at trial, a brief filed on Brossart's behalf notes that he "did not at any time threaten the officers, or become physically aggressive toward them. At worst, he simply did not comply with their unlawful orders when they attempted to arrest him."
"Brossart did not take any aggressive stance, did not swing, or attempt to strike the officers in any way," continues the brief. "He was simply verbally combative, and uncooperative."
The deputies, on the other hand, employed what can reasonably be described as excessive force by throwing him to the ground and employing "the mandibular angle pressure point technique upon him" – a pain compliance technique in which the thumb is placed at the hinge of the jaw below the right ear.
North Dakota law (Section 12.1-05-07 of the Century Code) recognizes the right of an individual to resist unlawful arrest and excessive force, observes the brief:
"When faced with a man who was not physically aggressive, and was simply verbally loud and angry, and uncooperative, it was unnecessary for both officers to slam him to into the ground, and use the mandibular angle pressure point upon him to effectuate an illegal arrest. Brossart was then within his rights to resist the unlawful and excessive force used in the arrest by the officers."
Thus the troubled "history" to which Janke refers is one in which a family living on a small farm in rural North Dakota has been repeatedly abused under color of official "authority," and have chosen to pursue their grievances through the courts, rather than through armed violence. They have endured years of what they regard as harassment and surveillance by law enforcement personnel: During the "standoff" this fall, one Lakota resident told a local television station that "when Rodney Brossart used to attend school board meetings there was always a police officer present." As a result, the family decided to home-school the younger children.
The Brossarts may well be eccentric or even misguided. They might be regarded by some as poor neighbors. But only those with a unique gift for dishonesty – and a large measure of cravenness – could depict them as a Predator-worthy menace. The SPLC is amply endowed with the former, and Sheriff Janke's department apparently boasts a large measure of the latter.
As a result, we've seen the first test run of the vertically integrated Homeland Security State, in which your friendly local sheriff or police chief, using hit lists compiled by the SPLC, can call in the drones to help round up anybody he considers to be potentially troublesome.
link: http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w239.html
"Eventually, we'll have to put an end to this, one way or another."
Sheriff Kelly Janke of North Dakota's Nelson County uttered that ominous sentence in mid-September, during what the local media giddily described as a stand-off with local farmer Rodney Brossart and his family. By that time, Sheriff Janke, with the help of the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Air Force, had already run the table where "non-lethal" means of compelling the family to surrender were concerned. This included everything from the Taser used during Brossart's June 23 arrest to the precedent-setting use of a Predator-B drone to conduct surveillance of the home several days later to facilitate the arrest of the farmer's three sons.
The most recent conflict between Janke's department and Brossart began when a half-dozen stray cattle wandered onto the family's farm, which is located near the tiny village of Lakota (roughly 100 miles northwest of Fargo). Brossart, who reportedly believed that the cattle were unclaimed and thus belonged to him under a disputed interpretation of open-range law, refused to turn them over to the Sheriff.
A team of deputies tasered the 55-year-old farmer and took him into custody. His daughter Abby, frantic for the safety of her father, tried to intervene; for "striking" the sanctified personage of a deputy, she was arrested and charged with assault. When Brossart's wife Susan refused to help the deputies locate what they described as "illegal" firearms, she, too, was arrested and charged with lying to law enforcement officers (who are trained to lie and can do so without legal consequence).
When deputies returned the following day, they were reportedly confronted by Brossart's three sons – Jacob, Alex, and Thomas -- who were allegedly carrying the rifles the police had tried to confiscate the previous day.
This led Sheriff Janke to escalate the confrontation to a full-spectrum military response – including, in the words of the Los Angeles Times, elements "from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances, and deputy sheriffs from three other counties. He also called in a Predator B drone." That unmanned aerial vehicle, identical to those used in CIA-directed missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere, was supplied by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP), an affiliate of the Department of Homeland Security.
"As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed," continued the Times. "Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.
That was the "one way" Janke had already tried. What, pray tell, would have been the "other" – short of equipping the drone with Hellfire missiles and using it to annihilate the Brossart family as suspected terrorists?
If this had happened, the Brossarts would not be the first Americans to be killed by way of a drone-fired missile. That unwanted distinction is owned by Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, Adbulrahman, who were killed in separate drone strikes in Yemen about three weeks apart. Abdulrahman, a 16-year-old boy who was born in Denver, was murdered while eating dinner with his 17-year-old cousin, who was also killed in the missile strike.
The original story was that Abdulrahman was a "suspected militant," and thus a "legitimate" target. He was actually a teenage boy frantically trying to find his father, whose name was on a roster of terrorist suspects who had been sentenced to summaryexecution by a secretive executive branch committee that answers to nobody.
As a result of a dispute involving a half-dozen cows, the Brossart family found itself treated as if they were terrorists. The CBP's drone fleet is described by the agency as a counter-terrorism asset. For the act "brandishing" legally owned rifles in the presence of armed sheriff's deputies, the three Brossart sons have been charged with "terrorizing" law enforcement personnel -- fragile, timid creatures that they are. Most significantly, however, the family had been enrolled on a roster of domestic terrorists – one compiled not by the Obama administration, but rather by the quasi-private Stasi calling itself the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).
According to the SPLC, Brossart's family received special attention because Sheriff Janke "knew the Brossarts were followers of another Lakota resident, Roger Elvick, one of the original gurus of the bizarre but remarkably resilient sovereign citizens movement."
For the past several years, the SPLC has been indoctrinating local law enforcement agencies in the belief that the sovereign citizens movement – and, for that matter, the entire "radical Right," a label the SPLC applies to anyone more conservative than Hugo Chavez – is an undifferentiated mass of menace and a particular threat to law enforcement. This campaign is perfectly calibrated to play on the fears of police, for whom there is no higher priority than "officer safety."
Little of consequence would result if the SPLC were simply a private pressure group. However, the organization seamlessly interfaces with a number of government agencies, including the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program, which is funded through the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Assistance. National and regional law enforcement seminars have been used to cultivate alarm among police officers regarding the supposedly all-encompassing terrorist threat posed by domestic "extremists."
During the June confrontation, Sheriff Janke actually took time to respond to an interview request from the SPLC's Intelligence Report.
"We're trying to reach out to the family to get them to surrender," Janke told the publication. "It's not common for people to brandish weapons against law enforcement, and to have them all be family members is unique. [It tells me] they're up to something, they're planning something, they have some different beliefs…. We're meeting with a team of experts to find out the best possible way to resolve this."
Janke's belief that the Brossarts were "planning" something sinister proved to be entirely unfounded. In November, months after the family had refused to attend an August 26 preliminary hearing, Rodney Brossart and his son Jacob – both of whom were unarmed – were arrested while finishing the fall harvest. Alex and Thomas, along with their sister Abby, were arrested "without incident" at the family's home.
During what the local media – which dutifully regurgitated a porridge of alarmist sound-bites it had been fed by the SPLC – called the "stand-off," Brossart gave one brief interview in which he insisted that his family were not "violent people." Janke, on the other hand, did his best to depict the family as a menace to the public.
"We have been able to associate them with an individual that has served time in the State Pen that is giving them advice," the Sheriff claimed in a September 13 interview, referring to Elvick. By that time, Elvick – who had briefly lived in an apartment in Lakota – had apparently departed for California. But his geographic proximity to the Brossarts was apparently enough for the latter to be "associated" with the ex-convict, and thus tainted as potential domestic terrorists.
This concept of being "associated" with a suspected terrorist is impressively elastic and immensely dangerous. Section 1031 of the proposed National Defense Authorization Act (NADA), which provides for indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists, permits the military to target anyone the Federal government decides is "associated" with an identified terrorist threat.
"Is a terrorist under this law necessarily a member of al-Qaeda or the Taliban?" asks the estimable Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone in his analysis of the NADA. "Or is it merely someone who is `engaged in hostilities against the United States'? Here's where I think we're in very dangerous territory. We have two very different but similarly large protest movements going on right now in the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement. What if one of them is linked to a violent act? What if a bomb goes off in a police station in Oakland, or an IRS office in Texas? What if the FBI then linked those acts to Occupy or the Tea Party?"
Where Sheriff Janke was concerned, a potential terrorist was anyone he could "associate" with an ex-convict described by the SPLC as a guru of the "sovereign citizens" movement. He also alluded to the "history we've had with the family over time" as a cause for concern.
In 1996, Rodney Brossart was charged with violating a state land use ordinance by plowing and seeding a section line on his own property. Although he was found guilty on that charge, the verdict was overturned by the state Supreme Court. This episode was one of several instances in which the Brossarts have come into conflict with the County Sheriff's Office.
Five years ago, Brossart was charged with disorderly conduct and "Preventing Arrest" after shouting at sheriff's deputies and "tensing his arm" when one of them laid hands on him to take him into custody. He was acquitted on the first charge, and found guilty of the second. That case was likewise appealed to the state Supreme Court.
Citing facts that were uncontested at trial, a brief filed on Brossart's behalf notes that he "did not at any time threaten the officers, or become physically aggressive toward them. At worst, he simply did not comply with their unlawful orders when they attempted to arrest him."
"Brossart did not take any aggressive stance, did not swing, or attempt to strike the officers in any way," continues the brief. "He was simply verbally combative, and uncooperative."
The deputies, on the other hand, employed what can reasonably be described as excessive force by throwing him to the ground and employing "the mandibular angle pressure point technique upon him" – a pain compliance technique in which the thumb is placed at the hinge of the jaw below the right ear.
North Dakota law (Section 12.1-05-07 of the Century Code) recognizes the right of an individual to resist unlawful arrest and excessive force, observes the brief:
"When faced with a man who was not physically aggressive, and was simply verbally loud and angry, and uncooperative, it was unnecessary for both officers to slam him to into the ground, and use the mandibular angle pressure point upon him to effectuate an illegal arrest. Brossart was then within his rights to resist the unlawful and excessive force used in the arrest by the officers."
Thus the troubled "history" to which Janke refers is one in which a family living on a small farm in rural North Dakota has been repeatedly abused under color of official "authority," and have chosen to pursue their grievances through the courts, rather than through armed violence. They have endured years of what they regard as harassment and surveillance by law enforcement personnel: During the "standoff" this fall, one Lakota resident told a local television station that "when Rodney Brossart used to attend school board meetings there was always a police officer present." As a result, the family decided to home-school the younger children.
The Brossarts may well be eccentric or even misguided. They might be regarded by some as poor neighbors. But only those with a unique gift for dishonesty – and a large measure of cravenness – could depict them as a Predator-worthy menace. The SPLC is amply endowed with the former, and Sheriff Janke's department apparently boasts a large measure of the latter.
As a result, we've seen the first test run of the vertically integrated Homeland Security State, in which your friendly local sheriff or police chief, using hit lists compiled by the SPLC, can call in the drones to help round up anybody he considers to be potentially troublesome.
“The reason for the business cycle is as elementary as it is fundamental. Robinson Crusoe can give a loan of fish (which he has not consumed) to Friday. Friday can convert these savings into a fishing net (he can eat the fish while constructing the net), and with the help of the net, then, Friday, in principle, is capable of repaying his loan to Robinson, plus interest, and still earn a profit of additional fish for himself. But this is physically impossible if Robinson’s loan is only a paper note, denominated in fish, but unbacked by real-fish savings, i.e., if Robinson has no fish because he has consumed them all.
Then, and necessarily so, Friday must fail in his investment endeavor. In a simple barter economy, of course, this becomes immediately apparent. Friday will not accept Robinson’s paper credit in the first place (but only real, commodity credit), and because of this, the boom-bust cycle will not get started. But in a complex monetary economy, the fact that credit was created out of thin air is not noticeable: every credit note looks like any other, and because of this the notes are accepted by the takers of credit.
This does not change the fundamental fact of reality that nothing can be produced out of nothing and that investment projects undertaken without any real funding whatsoever (by savings) must fail, but it explains why a boom — an increased level of investment accompanied by the expectation of higher future income and wealth — can get started (Friday does accept the note instead of immediately refusing it). And it explains why it then takes a while until the physical reality reasserts itself and reveals such expectations as illusory.”
~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Why the State Demands Control of Money.
http://mises.org/daily/5749/Why-the-State-Demands-Control-of-Money
Then, and necessarily so, Friday must fail in his investment endeavor. In a simple barter economy, of course, this becomes immediately apparent. Friday will not accept Robinson’s paper credit in the first place (but only real, commodity credit), and because of this, the boom-bust cycle will not get started. But in a complex monetary economy, the fact that credit was created out of thin air is not noticeable: every credit note looks like any other, and because of this the notes are accepted by the takers of credit.
This does not change the fundamental fact of reality that nothing can be produced out of nothing and that investment projects undertaken without any real funding whatsoever (by savings) must fail, but it explains why a boom — an increased level of investment accompanied by the expectation of higher future income and wealth — can get started (Friday does accept the note instead of immediately refusing it). And it explains why it then takes a while until the physical reality reasserts itself and reveals such expectations as illusory.”
~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Why the State Demands Control of Money.
http://mises.org/daily/5749/Why-the-State-Demands-Control-of-Money
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So what specifically do you find incorrect or offensive in that list?
are you serious?
he's for upholding individual rights,so how can he be any of those things when he's not into group/social warfare but apparentley the establishment and the media are.
i did a little digging
From wiki :
" Gloria grew up in New Rochelle. She is a graduate of Colgate University Class of 1974, with a degree in Journalism after washing out of English.[2] Borger's father owned Borger's, a distributor of electrical appliances. She has one sister named Paula.[2] Borger lives in Washington, D.C. with her husband, Lance Morgan, a lobbyist who works for Powell Tate and their two sons.[3]"
RP forums :
"The reporter from CNN who "interviewed" Ron Paul, Gloria Borger, (almost sounds like the infamous BORGIA medieval Italy no?) is married to a LANCE MORGAN. Mr. Morgan is the chief communications and crisis strategist for POWELL TATE. Powell Tate is a Washington D.C. firm that represents and lobbies for the very same MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX flexing it's political influence in our foreign policy that Ron Paul wants to stop!
This is a total conflict of interest! Her husband's firm includes overseeing a coalition to support congressional funds to U.S. Military contractors! She's profiting from the wars that Dr. Paul wants to end! She's got a lot to lose with a Paul presidency, to say the least."
i did a little digging
From wiki :
" Gloria grew up in New Rochelle. She is a graduate of Colgate University Class of 1974, with a degree in Journalism after washing out of English.[2] Borger's father owned Borger's, a distributor of electrical appliances. She has one sister named Paula.[2] Borger lives in Washington, D.C. with her husband, Lance Morgan, a lobbyist who works for Powell Tate and their two sons.[3]"
RP forums :
"The reporter from CNN who "interviewed" Ron Paul, Gloria Borger, (almost sounds like the infamous BORGIA medieval Italy no?) is married to a LANCE MORGAN. Mr. Morgan is the chief communications and crisis strategist for POWELL TATE. Powell Tate is a Washington D.C. firm that represents and lobbies for the very same MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX flexing it's political influence in our foreign policy that Ron Paul wants to stop!
This is a total conflict of interest! Her husband's firm includes overseeing a coalition to support congressional funds to U.S. Military contractors! She's profiting from the wars that Dr. Paul wants to end! She's got a lot to lose with a Paul presidency, to say the least."
a unbiased view : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPDTkeYjFs
people are waking up slowly but surely.
people are waking up slowly but surely.
Ron Paul
ebunking The Anti-Paul Messages
December 26, 2011 by Bob Livingston
UPI
Ron Paul makes remarks at a town hall meeting in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa, on Dec. 21.
The Republican establishment has become apoplectic over Congressman Ron Paul’s growing strength in Iowa.
Last week, Iowa Governor Terry Branstad attempted to delegitimize his own State’s vote when he said that if Paul wins the Iowa Caucus, it won’t matter. Of course, if Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney wins, he won’t say that. In fact, according to Branstad, a second- or third-place finish by Gingrich or Romney will be more important than a Paul win.
“People are going to look at who comes in second and who comes in third. If Romney comes in a strong second, it definitely helps him going into New Hampshire and other states,” Branstad reportedly said. What Branstad did not say was that he’s been offered a potential Vice President spot on a Romney ticket.
Branstad and his elite bedfellows are trying to draw you into an alternate universe. Never mind that two out of the past three winners of the Iowa Caucus have gone on to win the Republican nomination, a Paul win will mean the Iowa vote is irrelevant.
According to a new Iowa State University/Gazette/KCRG poll of likely Republican caucus-goers, Paul has moved into first place – the fifth candidate to hold that spot since the mid-August Iowa GOP Straw Poll. This is the second recent poll showing a Paul lead.
In the ISU poll, Paul is the first choice for 27.5 percent of the registered Republicans and registered independents contacted. That’s up from 20.4 percent in November. Gingrich is the second choice with 25.3 percent, and Romney was third at 17.5 percent.
For months, the Republican elites and corporate media have treated Paul like that cranky old uncle that continues to show up at family gatherings. They’ve tried ignoring him and they’ve tried dismissing him. They’ve been running a continuous communication loop that says, “Ron Paul can’t win.” Yet, here he is, on the cusp of an Iowa victory and showing remarkable strength in New Hampshire.
A common refrain from Republicans is: “I like most of what Ron Paul says, but I can’t vote for him because of his ‘isolationist’ foreign policy.” When they say that, what are they saying?
After all, many Republicans say they can easily vote for Gingrich even though they don’t agree on some of his positions: i.e. infidelity, national database of gun owners, support for the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that permits the indefinite detention of Americans upon the President’s order, support of cap-and-trade, support of individual mandates to purchase healthcare, support of TARP and bailouts, etc. And many Republicans say they can vote for Romney, the author – essentially — of Obamacare (through his Romneycare), who has flipped and flopped on core Republican issues like a fish in the bottom of a boat. And they say they can vote for Michele Bachmann, who voted for the USA Patriot Act and the NDAA.
They are saying, simply, that they have been so terrorized by their government and the mainstream media they are willing to surrender all their freedom and wealth to the military industrial complex and big government so people in a foreign land can be bombed into submission and subjugation. Years of government propaganda and years of war have cemented in their minds the need for perpetual war.
For my conservative friends who don’t like Paul because of his noninterventionist — because that’s what his policy is, and he describes what that means here — foreign policy, consider how long we have been at war in the Mideast.
America and the CIA have been meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries for decades. Read The Secret History of The American Empire, by John Perkins. In 1990, after an American ambassador hinted to Saddam Hussein that the United States would not stand in his way were he to take over territory that was in dispute between Iraq and Kuwait, President George H.W. Bush and the United Nations formed a coalition to bloody his nose. We have been in a shooting war in the region ever since.
After 21 years of war in the region, are things any better? Apparently not, because the war has expanded from Iraq into Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya, and it is about to expand into Syria and Iran. And American troops are in Central Africa in an “advisory” role. Yet Americans thirst for more war and the top Republican candidates, according to the elites, are advocating more.
“But,” Republicans say, “Iran is about to get The Bomb. We can’t let Iran get The Bomb!” And how do we know that Iran is about to get The Bomb? From those same people who told us — inaccurately, it turns out — that Iraq was about to acquire nuclear weapons.
Iran, which is OPEC’s second largest oil producer, can’t even refine enough gasoline for its own people. It has no reliable missile system. And we are to believe it’s technologically capable of producing a nuclear weapon?
“But what about Israel?” Republicans then ask. Israel has a couple hundred, at least, nuclear weapons sitting at the ready and is perfectly capable of defending herself.
Consider that there is much more at work here than meets the eye. To understand what is really going on, you must peel back the layers of conventional wisdom, like peeling an onion. There are nefarious maneuverings of nongovernment organizations (NGOs) at work. Few are able to escape their normalcy bias to see this.
The plan for the takeover of the vast oil reserves and riches of the region have been in the works for a long time. NGOs have worked behind the scenes and in secret to shape the policy. But the Brookings Institute became so confident the policy had reached the point of no return that it released its blueprint in 2009.
This is why Presidential candidates are vetted by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderberg group before receiving approval to run. They must sign on to the New World Order to receive the proper backing and financial support. And it’s why the knives will be out in full force in the coming weeks to destroy Paul and his candidacy. (Previously debunked claims of racism surfaced again last week.)
Another question to ask yourself: If a potentially nuclear-armed Iran is such a danger to us, what about an actually nuclear-armed North Korea? Why are we the elites not cowering in fear that North Korea could launch a missile at any second? After all, North Korea actually has a missile that can reach our friends and fellow democracies in South Korea and Japan — and can probably reach portions of the U.S. West Coast.
What about a nuclear-armed Pakistan, which likes us less and less with each drone strike and violation of their territorial integrity?
What about Russia and China, who will be very offended if the United States leads an assault on Iran and Syria? Russia has already stationed warships near Syria, and China is unhappy with President Barack Obama’s military buildup in Australia and is responding by beefing up its military in the Indian Ocean. And you think this militarism is making the United States safer?
Finally, my conservative friends, one last question for you to consider: If Paul’s foreign policy is “crazy,” as many of you say, why have members of the military given more to his campaign than to anyone else’s? Could it be they have seen the dark core that lies beneath?
And before the “Ron Paul can’t beat Obama. We must elect someone who can defeat Obama,” chorus chimes in, a new CNN/ORC International Poll shows Paul faring the same against Obama in a head-to-head matchup as the “more electable” Romney. Gingrich fares far worse. ~~~ I hope this helps you all out! monkey5
ebunking The Anti-Paul MessagesDecember 26, 2011 by Bob Livingston
UPI
Ron Paul makes remarks at a town hall meeting in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa, on Dec. 21.
The Republican establishment has become apoplectic over Congressman Ron Paul’s growing strength in Iowa.
Last week, Iowa Governor Terry Branstad attempted to delegitimize his own State’s vote when he said that if Paul wins the Iowa Caucus, it won’t matter. Of course, if Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney wins, he won’t say that. In fact, according to Branstad, a second- or third-place finish by Gingrich or Romney will be more important than a Paul win.
“People are going to look at who comes in second and who comes in third. If Romney comes in a strong second, it definitely helps him going into New Hampshire and other states,” Branstad reportedly said. What Branstad did not say was that he’s been offered a potential Vice President spot on a Romney ticket.
Branstad and his elite bedfellows are trying to draw you into an alternate universe. Never mind that two out of the past three winners of the Iowa Caucus have gone on to win the Republican nomination, a Paul win will mean the Iowa vote is irrelevant.
According to a new Iowa State University/Gazette/KCRG poll of likely Republican caucus-goers, Paul has moved into first place – the fifth candidate to hold that spot since the mid-August Iowa GOP Straw Poll. This is the second recent poll showing a Paul lead.
In the ISU poll, Paul is the first choice for 27.5 percent of the registered Republicans and registered independents contacted. That’s up from 20.4 percent in November. Gingrich is the second choice with 25.3 percent, and Romney was third at 17.5 percent.
For months, the Republican elites and corporate media have treated Paul like that cranky old uncle that continues to show up at family gatherings. They’ve tried ignoring him and they’ve tried dismissing him. They’ve been running a continuous communication loop that says, “Ron Paul can’t win.” Yet, here he is, on the cusp of an Iowa victory and showing remarkable strength in New Hampshire.
A common refrain from Republicans is: “I like most of what Ron Paul says, but I can’t vote for him because of his ‘isolationist’ foreign policy.” When they say that, what are they saying?
After all, many Republicans say they can easily vote for Gingrich even though they don’t agree on some of his positions: i.e. infidelity, national database of gun owners, support for the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that permits the indefinite detention of Americans upon the President’s order, support of cap-and-trade, support of individual mandates to purchase healthcare, support of TARP and bailouts, etc. And many Republicans say they can vote for Romney, the author – essentially — of Obamacare (through his Romneycare), who has flipped and flopped on core Republican issues like a fish in the bottom of a boat. And they say they can vote for Michele Bachmann, who voted for the USA Patriot Act and the NDAA.
They are saying, simply, that they have been so terrorized by their government and the mainstream media they are willing to surrender all their freedom and wealth to the military industrial complex and big government so people in a foreign land can be bombed into submission and subjugation. Years of government propaganda and years of war have cemented in their minds the need for perpetual war.
For my conservative friends who don’t like Paul because of his noninterventionist — because that’s what his policy is, and he describes what that means here — foreign policy, consider how long we have been at war in the Mideast.
America and the CIA have been meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries for decades. Read The Secret History of The American Empire, by John Perkins. In 1990, after an American ambassador hinted to Saddam Hussein that the United States would not stand in his way were he to take over territory that was in dispute between Iraq and Kuwait, President George H.W. Bush and the United Nations formed a coalition to bloody his nose. We have been in a shooting war in the region ever since.
After 21 years of war in the region, are things any better? Apparently not, because the war has expanded from Iraq into Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya, and it is about to expand into Syria and Iran. And American troops are in Central Africa in an “advisory” role. Yet Americans thirst for more war and the top Republican candidates, according to the elites, are advocating more.
“But,” Republicans say, “Iran is about to get The Bomb. We can’t let Iran get The Bomb!” And how do we know that Iran is about to get The Bomb? From those same people who told us — inaccurately, it turns out — that Iraq was about to acquire nuclear weapons.
Iran, which is OPEC’s second largest oil producer, can’t even refine enough gasoline for its own people. It has no reliable missile system. And we are to believe it’s technologically capable of producing a nuclear weapon?
“But what about Israel?” Republicans then ask. Israel has a couple hundred, at least, nuclear weapons sitting at the ready and is perfectly capable of defending herself.
Consider that there is much more at work here than meets the eye. To understand what is really going on, you must peel back the layers of conventional wisdom, like peeling an onion. There are nefarious maneuverings of nongovernment organizations (NGOs) at work. Few are able to escape their normalcy bias to see this.
The plan for the takeover of the vast oil reserves and riches of the region have been in the works for a long time. NGOs have worked behind the scenes and in secret to shape the policy. But the Brookings Institute became so confident the policy had reached the point of no return that it released its blueprint in 2009.
This is why Presidential candidates are vetted by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderberg group before receiving approval to run. They must sign on to the New World Order to receive the proper backing and financial support. And it’s why the knives will be out in full force in the coming weeks to destroy Paul and his candidacy. (Previously debunked claims of racism surfaced again last week.)
Another question to ask yourself: If a potentially nuclear-armed Iran is such a danger to us, what about an actually nuclear-armed North Korea? Why are we the elites not cowering in fear that North Korea could launch a missile at any second? After all, North Korea actually has a missile that can reach our friends and fellow democracies in South Korea and Japan — and can probably reach portions of the U.S. West Coast.
What about a nuclear-armed Pakistan, which likes us less and less with each drone strike and violation of their territorial integrity?
What about Russia and China, who will be very offended if the United States leads an assault on Iran and Syria? Russia has already stationed warships near Syria, and China is unhappy with President Barack Obama’s military buildup in Australia and is responding by beefing up its military in the Indian Ocean. And you think this militarism is making the United States safer?
Finally, my conservative friends, one last question for you to consider: If Paul’s foreign policy is “crazy,” as many of you say, why have members of the military given more to his campaign than to anyone else’s? Could it be they have seen the dark core that lies beneath?
And before the “Ron Paul can’t beat Obama. We must elect someone who can defeat Obama,” chorus chimes in, a new CNN/ORC International Poll shows Paul faring the same against Obama in a head-to-head matchup as the “more electable” Romney. Gingrich fares far worse. ~~~ I hope this helps you all out! monkey5
RP has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with that Newsletter...he never read it, and he never edited it--
How can we NOT believe that?? Those Newsletters were absolute Political Suicide...if they were really from him!! He is not a stupid man...and I firmly believe he would never knowingly endorse such garbage--
IMHO...the only thing he is guilty of, concerning that matter...is somehow he let (or was tricked into) his name being attached to it--
If we listen to things he himself has said over the years...they are nowhere near anything spewed in that Publication...so unless there is proof that he directly said any of that...I will continue to believe in what I KNOW he has said...because his stances have not changed over the years--
Right on the money!
Right on the money!
Right on the money!
~~~~ kmk420kali, Thank you! Right on the money answer! monkey5
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